Expensive aircraft in Il-2?

[Sandinourcoffee6]

Depends on what you are looking for

great battles is for you if you like multiplayer or spending hours learning how to fly each plane,good scenery etc.

if you are looking for a good single player experience it’s proberly not for you,

as just flying and looking at scenery can lose some people who like a more action packed experience.

(waiting for the hail off abuse from the usual people)

yes it is worth the money,the devs have too make a living,but it is very much geared to expert flight simmers and multiplayer

 

[Nil]

Not to mention the team are kind enough to put sales on the official website.

And the community is generous enough to do giveaways!

 

[Stryker07]

Ahhh, the olden days.... I played a ton of Air Warrior on AOL back in the day, and then on Gamestorm after they shut it down on AOL. For $9.99/month Gamestorm was an awesome service for the time, AW and Legends of Kesmai. I played War Birds a ton as well after AW, with a bunch of single player sims thrown in for good measure, starting with Red Baron 1 and Aces of the Pacific/over Europe. My next long term sim after that was European Air War, which introduced me to the concept of mods. I really kind of fell off the sim radar in my early late teens - mid 20s, but did manage to spend some time with Pacific Fighters which introduced me to IL2. If I were add up the cost of all the sims, flight sim gear, and PCs over the years it would be scary adjusted for 2018 dollars. As it is now, for WW2 there is no better game in town then the GBS. I have most of the RoF content but I might be moving on to WoFFUE for my Great War needs since the campaign is to die for I hear, but for WW2 I will be staying right here. No sim give the sensation of flight that the Battle of series gives, not one, and that is why I will stay right here.

[w00dy]

On 9/16/2018 at 3:10 PM, DD_Crash said:

The way to measure the price is $ per hour. I have a lot of hours so it works out rather cheap

 

I measure all my games like this and if I get to £1 per hour, then I feel I've got my moneys worth out of it.

 

Anything more than that and I'm really happy.

[Lusekofte]

17 hours ago, P51DMatt said:

You tell me which one is the better deal.

 

 

For me it is DCS I actually use it

[OrLoK]

I think that for newcomers the initial asking price *seems* steep.

 

I can see why when one compares the game to other more mainstream games like WT etc.

 

even I, for a long time, didn't understand the reasoning behind the many 109s and other variants.

 

I just didn't know the facts. so, to me as an casual player in most ww2 games, it seemed odd.

 

once one gets into the meat of il2 and hops into the various 109s etc it suddenly "clicks" and the differences become clear as well as the historical facts.

 

but to a prospective gamer, it might seem like there's (ironically) to many il2 variants etc.

 

a "starter" pack of utterly disparate aircraft might assist in this. (as will the planned demo)

 

personally, I do find the games are expensive overall, purly as an initial cash outlay, to the average gamer.

 

a release for a lesser price with a smaller plane set again would bring it to the attention of more players imho.

 

all that said, do I thing the series is worth it at the current price? absolutely.

 

as a result I own pretty much everything (except tank crew and the new lagg)

 

And I highly recommend the game to others on a regular basis.

 

L

[GrinderX9]

Of cores the price is to high. Compared to normal "games" or even older sims. But price and demand...

And to be able to make and continue to give us content for the game, this is the price they have to take.

And I think most of us pay it gladly. Of cores I want to pay as little as possible, but more then anything I want to be able

to play a modern ww2 sim.

[ITAF_Rani]

80 Dollars ......for tons of fun !!

I think is quite good?

[JonRedcorn]

5 hours ago, OrLoK said:

I think that for newcomers the initial asking price *seems* steep.

 

I can see why when one compares the game to other more mainstream games like WT etc.

 

even I, for a long time, didn't understand the reasoning behind the many 109s and other variants.

 

I just didn't know the facts. so, to me as an casual player in most ww2 games, it seemed odd.

 

once one gets into the meat of il2 and hops into the various 109s etc it suddenly "clicks" and the differences become clear as well as the historical facts.

 

but to a prospective gamer, it might seem like there's (ironically) to many il2 variants etc.

 

a "starter" pack of utterly disparate aircraft might assist in this. (as will the planned demo)

 

personally, I do find the games are expensive overall, purly as an initial cash outlay, to the average gamer.

 

a release for a lesser price with a smaller plane set again would bring it to the attention of more players imho.

 

all that said, do I thing the series is worth it at the current price? absolutely.

 

as a result I own pretty much everything (except tank crew and the new lagg)

 

And I highly recommend the game to others on a regular basis.

 

L

What new lagg? The FN?

[E_Davjack]

6 hours ago, w00dy said:

 

I measure all my games like this and if I get to £1 per hour, then I feel I've got my moneys worth out of it.

 

Anything more than that and I'm really happy.

 

I don't know why more gamers don't think about it this way.  I think this has to do with how the game development industry has changed over the last two decades, especially with Flight Sims becoming a niche compared to arcade games.  I remember walking down the gaming aisle of Fry's Electronics (a California megastore) and seeing flight sim after flight sim, all the old classics.  Aces Over X, Wings over X,  X-Wing/vsTie-Fighter, Jane's X, Falcon... and people bought and played these games.  They were AAA!  This continued until IL2/1946 gave us a tonne of content for one fixed price.  It was a golden age...

 

Anyway, right now on youtube, the movie "Solo: A Star Wars Story" is $20 USD. To watch once.  And it is not a good way to spend 2 hours.  But somehow a $70 game you put can easily put 100 hours into is too much?  Absurd. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by EmerlistDavjack
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[40plus]

It is strange, I balked at the $80 price for Fallout 4 in which I have over 300 hours invested but I feel the ~$100 per premium module (Canadian dollars) is far greater value even though I only have ~40 hours in so far. In fact, I've bought every module and collector plane apart from Tank Crew and I still feel like I'm getting better value than Fallout.

 

Quality >> quantity I suppose.

[OrLoK]

17 hours ago, 15th_JonRedcorn said:

What new lagg? The FN?

yes

[Enceladus828]

There are aircraft that are expensive to make, and then there are aircraft that are expensive on the market.

Bombers such as He-111, Ju-88, A-20 take lots of time and money to make and are usually the last aircraft to be released. This is probably why the devs will release the B-25 as an AI aircraft before making it flyable in the future. I see them doing this if they ever make the B-24 and B-17 for a Battle of Berlin and Pacific.

 

All of the Collector planes are sold at $20 USD. The aircraft that were used in many fronts/battles or have a lot of fame like the Hs-129, Spitfire, P-40, Ju-52, P-38, Fw 190D-9 are worth the money.

The La 5FN, Bf 109G-6, and the Yak 1B development time was probably much shorter than the others because they are variants of other aircraft in the game. But these aircraft were used at other battles like Kursk, Smolensk (1943), Continuation War, Hungary.

The La-5FN and Yak 1B I think should cost $15.

The 2 aircraft that I don't feel are worth $20 on the market are the Bf 109G-6 and the Fw 190A-3. The G-6 was the most mass produced Me 109 with over 12,000 produced, was in production for more than a year, and used in many battles. It had more firepower than the previous 109s and were supplied to allies of Germany. The issue with it in this game is that it's a variant of the G-2 and G-4 which are in battle packs and one has to pay $20 for it.

The Fw 190A-3 is a Collector for BOS, however, unlike other collectors which can be used in other battles like the La-5, Macchi 202, etc. the A-3 is only used at Stalingrad. The devs made the Fw 190A-5 for Kuban which happened only a few months after Stalingrad. I believe that they should have added the IAR 80 which was used at Stalingrad instead of the Fw 190A-3.

Therefore I feel $20 is too expensive and the price for these two aircraft should be lowered to $5-15.

 

Cheers!

[=621=Samikatz]

The Fw-190A-3 was a lot more hot and desirable when it was the only Focke in the game. The A-5 has made it slightly redundant. Sure there are some small but appreciable differences in turn time and the like but nearly always your strategy against VVS fighters will be the same

[Olt_Kloetenburg]

After watching this topic for a while, there's my opinion that I now feel the urge to tell.

 

It is simply a lot of money to spend here. To have the Eastern Front simulated from Barbarossa to the Krim Desaster in a decent way on the 109, you need

 

BOM  50$

BOS   50$

BOK   50$

 

aand not to forget the variant that makes the last year more exciting and finally realistic

 

Bf-109 G6  20$ !!!!

 

In total: 170$

 

Yes I know the G-2 (and it's direct offspring, the G-4) were flown in larger numbers at that time. But we all are gonna be Aces till that point, so I'd definetely be asked to take a seat in the new one. Being honest, we actually pay 20 bucks for two bigger machine guns in there.

 

I see the enormous effort to create such high-quality content, I definetely want to support the developers and pay a decent price for the product I want, there is no way to create a bundle like that specified for 50 bucks without having huuge selling numbers on ones side. Each part of the series is worth the money, as much as it hurts my wallet.

 

BUT - I am feeling a bit unwell about a few price tags. That's basically it, and I will probably even buy the G-6 because I NEED IT! But the price of that airplane that should definetely be included in the BOK bundle is, in my eyes, not justified.

 

After all, it never feels good to leave so much money on the counter for stuff we "just want". I fear this is a core reason for this discussion.

As we need to accept that a similar experience to Il2 1946 in today's high standards isn't going to come cheap, I would appreciate the developers to be, in a few points, be a little more fair with us customers. Sometimes a few % off after buying a lot of content does really ease the pain in ones wallet.

 

(andpleaseimproveaibecausethat'swhatsingleplayerisallabout) :-D

[E_Davjack]

Don't forget how big these maps are.  That also takes time to develop with any sort of fidelity.  Note my post above where I am very disappointed in the DCS Normandy map for being, in all respects, incomplete.

 

Speaking of Development Effort, BoBP and FC are requiring a lot of work on every aspect of the maps, for the locations to the models or the buildings and trees.  But it will be the same price as a module that re-uses Russian buildings/trees with a new location.  That's just how it works. 

[JonRedcorn]

I picked up BOM for 16 dollars during a sale... Picked up multiple collector planes at a large discount, not sure really how people can complain. This isn't call of duty. There's a lot of effort not only in the incredibly detailed and highly realistic 3d modeling but the skins, especially all the engineering that goes into the flight models. Going back and playing il2 1946 it's extremely clear we are on another level of flight simulation. Flying a plane in 1946 was like basically driving a car through the sky. Punch it and go, turn as hard as you want, give er all she's got captain. I've spent a lot of money on nearly everything 1c have to offer on this sim, well over 200 dollars. It's all worth it to me, got 250 hours into it, basically a dollar an hour, I can't get that kind of deal on entertainment anywhere else.