P-38 status

[Enceladus828]

This is the list of aircraft for IL-2: Battle of Bodenplatte

 

Allies                           Germany

Spitfire Mk.IXe            Bf 109 K-4

Tempest Mk.V           Bf 109 G-14

P-47D-28                    Fw 190 A-8/F-8/G-8

P-51D-15                    Me 262 A-1

Collector                     Collector

P-38J                           Fw 190 D-9 " Dora"

B-25 (AI)

 

At dev blog #194 we were told this: "3D artist department work on several aircraft at once - P-47D-28, Fw 190 D-9, P-51D-15, Me 262 A, Hawker Tempest Mk.V series 2 and Bf 109 K-4 - some of them are nearly finished while the work on others just started". All of the unreleased Bodenplatte aircraft are listed except for the P-38.

Dev blog #202 (which was released a few days ago), we saw the first images of the P-47 and Fw 190 D-9 cockpits, and the first images of the K-4. I believe that they'll be released later this month. In the blog we were told the same thing about the about the 3D models for the aircraft listed above. Again, it doesn't mention anything about the P-38!

Now Jason has told us that the Me 262 will be the last aircraft to be released due to the jet technology and the higher speed capability. This means that the P-38 will be released before the Me 262, whose 3D model was first shown a few weeks ago.

The devs are most likely working on the P-38 model right now along with the others, but why haven't they mentioned it's status?

 

Hopefully someone has an answer.

Thank you.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

why haven't they mentioned it's status?

 

Because there isn't any info to share about it yet?

Edited September 9, 2018 by LukeFF

[Field-Ops]

It might also mean that they want to get the things they know how to do out of the way first. So the 3D model, animations, textures and such are all known processes. This new jet tech might take a while to develop so having those things finished and being able to apply it to a model at their leisure instead of rushing the 3D model and such to have somethjing to play around with and test sounds like a plan to me. They also have to develop new tech for the P47, being the turbo-supercharger, that could also take time so I doubt we will see that one in the next patch.

[Gambit21]

It's status is - "on the way"

Thats just going to have to be good enough for right now.

 

 

 

[Finkeren]

A wild guess: They expect the P-38 to be relatively unproblematic and therefore they start the work on it last. 

 

They took the “low hanging fruit” first, the planes where they had existing models to work from (G14, K4, A8, Spit Mk. IX) and then moved on to the more complex in terms of modeling. Maybe they see the P-38 as the “easiest” once they have turbochargers sorted out with the P-47?

[Danziger]

I'm pretty sure since they haven't said anything about it since then, it means they axed it quietly and don't want to make a big fuss. Out of all the possibilities it just makes the most sense.

[Lusekofte]

Why  you say this?

11 minutes ago, Danziger said:

they axed it quietly and don't want to make a big fuss.

 

I have not the faintest idea of what state the P 38 is in, but the developers do not deserve this kind of suspicion .

One can disagree in choice of battle and planes, how they approach it and complexity, but the have always delivered what they say they shall deliver.

Credit due where it is deserved . 777 has been very open and honest about their product

[Mauf]

Or maybe it's a honest "we forgot to mention it so far"? I would guess the P-38 just drew that straw being last in line because it can piggyback on the tech development for the other planes in front of it (turbocharger modelling, high speed compression effects e.g.).

 

I'm pretty certain, had they axed the plane due to some reason, they would have mentioned it.

[Finkeren]

1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

Why  you say this?

 

It’s Danziger. He’s obviously kidding.

 

I’m not the greatest at catching irony on the Internet, but for some reason I always seem to get it, when Danziger is joking, even when noone else does.

[Danziger]

36 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

It’s Danziger. He’s obviously kidding.

 

I’m not the greatest at catching irony on the Internet, but for some reason I always seem to get it, when Danziger is joking, even when noone else does.

You can tell from my avatar.

[ShamrockOneFive]

It's likely a simple thing of the Me262 is going to require a long lead time for flight model development (near Mach flight model work) and thus gets mentioned. The P-38 is also a fairly complex aircraft and may be second to last to arrive just before the Me262.

 

Or they have replaced it with the L-4 Piper Cub ?

[Jade_Monkey]

[entire dev team]: "Oh shoot, we totally forgot about the P-38! How are we going to fit that in the release schedule?"

 

That would happen at my real job but I definitely don't expect that from these devs.

[40plus]

P38 is the number one reason I pre-ordered BoBP. Seriously, drank too much beer one evening while watching documentaries on YouTube . . . . P38 doc came up, watched it, logging in and bought BoBP. Wife rolled her eyes at that one but didn't stop me ??.

 

They could axe the p47 and I wouldn't bat an eye but the 38 would give me cause to cuss.

 

Play the patient game, I'm sure it's coming.

[Garven]

15 minutes ago, pfrances said:

They could axe the p47 and I wouldn't bat an eye

Heresy!  

Edited September 9, 2018 by Garven_Dreis

[P51DMatt]

6 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

Why  you say this?

 

I have not the faintest idea of what state the P 38 is in, but the developers do not deserve this kind of suspicion .

One can disagree in choice of battle and planes, how they approach it and complexity, but the have always delivered what they say they shall deliver.

Credit due where it is deserved . 777 has been very open and honest about their product

That was an obviously sarcastic post... 

[Lusekofte]

Not being native English speaking, and the post out of the blue I was not catching that. Well ok. 

[Finkeren]

1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

Not being native English speaking, and the post out of the blue I was not catching that. Well ok. 

 

I think very few of us here are native English speakers (most of us appear to be either Continental Europeans or American). Miscommunication is bound to happen. 

[PatrickAWlson]

7 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

It's likely a simple thing of the Me262 is going to require a long lead time for flight model development (near Mach flight model work) and thus gets mentioned. The P-38 is also a fairly complex aircraft and may be second to last to arrive just before the Me262.

 

Or they have replaced it with the L-4 Piper Cub ?

Not a bad choice.  The cub has a tighter turning radius and you can just fly circles while popping baddies with your pistol.  Plus you can do artillery spotting at the same time.  Great fun.  Who needs P-38 anyway.

 

Being serious, they are very forthcoming with future work.  Their pre-order model depends on it.  We know they are working on the P-47, Dora, and K4 right now.  Look at what is left: P-38 (complex), P-51 (laminar wing, complex surfaces), Me-262 (jet), Tempest (dunno  )

Edited September 9, 2018 by PatrickAWlson

[ShamrockOneFive]

3 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Not a bad choice.  The cub has a tighter turning radius and you can just fly circles while popping baddies with your pistol.  Plus you can do artillery spotting at the same time.  Great fun.  Who needs P-38 anyway.

 

Being serious, they are very forthcoming with future work.  Their pre-order model depends on it.  We know they are working on the P-47, Dora, and K4 right now.  Look at what is left: P-38 (complex), P-51 (laminar wing, complex surfaces), Me-262 (jet), Tempest (dunno  )

 

I'm on pins and needles for the Tempest. I really can't wait to get back into that fighter... I had long assumed it may be a long time before the Tempest shows up in this third generation of IL-2 series but then Bodenplatte was announced and the Tempest was on the list. Overjoyed. But I assume that it will be a while too.

 

The Tempest is about as complex aerodynamically as the P-47 and P-51 I would assume. The Tempest also has laminar flow profile wings for example.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Because it is surprise...

 

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Edited September 10, 2018 by SYN_Haashashin
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[Gambit21]

26 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

The Tempest is about as complex aerodynamically as the P-47 and P-51 I would assume. The Tempest also has laminar flow profile wings for example.

 

The Jug is simple, the Mustang is very complex, lots of compound shapes and such.

The Tempest is closer to the Jug than it is the Mustang. I'm talking from a modeling/mesh/complexity/workload standpoint.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Remember the P38 suffers quite badly from compressibility effects making it need a special dive flap in order to pull out of dives. In a way high mach numbers effect the P38 in a more complex way than the ME 262 so I  would expect it to be one of the last planes. 

[Art-J]

Indeed. The plane needs turbocharger simulation, and compressibility effects simulation, neither of which is finished yet. I gather it will be one of the last planes to arrive at the BoBP.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Art-J

[Enceladus828]

I think the devs have made the Me 262 3D model now because its development will take the longest out of all of the Bodenplatte aircraft.

[Herne]

11 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

I think the devs have made the Me 262 3D model now because its development will take the longest out of all of the Bodenplatte aircraft.

 

well assuming the devs specialise doing different jobs, then just because the modellers, (don't know if that is the correct term), are pretty much done making them, it just means that the asset's are ready for whenever the rest of the team are ready to do their bits with them. It doesn't necessarily follow that they will soon be pushed out the door.

 

 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

46 minutes ago, =FEW=Herne said:

 

well assuming the devs specialise doing different jobs, then just because the modellers, (don't know if that is the correct term), are pretty much done making them, it just means that the asset's are ready for whenever the rest of the team are ready to do their bits with them. It doesn't necessarily follow that they will soon be pushed out the door.

 

 

 

Historically it did work in the way that once we started to see bare model then rendered model it would be ready soon after but as there are many new considerations to the FM and EM etc and the new direction IL2GBs is going in I think you are correct to assume we have moved away from the linear Dev cycle of the past.

[Willy__]

10 hours ago, AeroAce said:

Remember the P38 suffers quite badly from compressibility effects making it need a special dive flap in order to pull out of dives. In a way high mach numbers effect the P38 in a more complex way than the ME 262 so I  would expect it to be one of the last planes. 

 

I dont think we will be getting the dive flaps for the p38

[40plus]

You might be right. the variant we are getting is the P38J. Wikipedia has this to say about the dive flaps:

 

Late in 1943, a few hundred dive flap field modification kits were assembled to give North African, European and Pacific P-38s a chance to withstand compressibility and expand their combat tactics. Unfortunately, these crucial flaps did not always reach their destination. In March 1944, 200 dive flap kits intended for European Theater of Operations (ETO) P-38Js were destroyed in a mistaken identification incident in which an RAF fighter shot down the Douglas C-54 Skymaster (mistaken for an Fw 200) taking the shipment to England. Back in Burbank, P-38Js coming off the assembly line in spring 1944 were towed out to the ramp and modified in the open air. The flaps were finally incorporated into the production line in June 1944 on the last 210 P-38Js. Despite testing having proved the dive flaps effective in improving tactical maneuvers, a 14-month delay in production limited their implementation, with only the final half of all Lightnings built having the dive flaps installed as an assembly-line sequence.^[44]

 

Edited September 10, 2018 by pfrances

[Frenchy56]

The fielding of P-38's produced in June 1944 definitely fits the game's timeframe. So it should be in there, but as a modification.

[CountZero]

P-38J-25 was first one to be equped with dive braks by default, so maybe we get that one, it was in use with units they need for campaign and they said its gona be late J model. 

[Herne]

anyone know when you are supposed to deploy these flaps ? 

 

Every time you initiate a high speed dive, or just when you start to feel the effects of compression ?

 

[CountZero]

At certen speed airflow will no longer be flowing over your elevators so you need to slow down your airplane, and thats why you need them, so youll probably need to use them when you dive after 190 or 109 and you see your elevators are not pulling up your airplane when you try to pull up.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said:

At certen speed airflow will no longer be flowing over your elevators so you need to slow down your airplane, and thats why you need them, so youll probably need to use them when you dive after 190 or 109 and you see your elevators are not pulling up your airplane when you try to pull up.

 

 

This is kinda wrong. 

 

The flaps are not used to slow the aircraft down so that the flow gets to the elevator but more that the flaps allow the flow at high speed to reattach to the elevator.  ?

[Poochnboo]

Oh no! They aren't saying anything about the P-38. It's a conspiracy! It's been cancelled and they don't want to tell us. 

The P-38 is probably going to be one of the last, if not THE last, airplanes we get. I've thought that from the beginning. Maybe we'll start seeing something about it just before the year is up. I wouldn't panic. 

And I thought we were getting the P-38L, not the J. Not that it matters all that much, to be honest. J's fine. I can just as easily suck in the J as I can in the L. 

[CountZero]

22 minutes ago, AeroAce said:

 

 

This is kinda wrong. 

 

The flaps are not used to slow the aircraft down so that the flow gets to the elevator but more that the flaps allow the flow at high speed to reattach to the elevator.  ?

your right

[216th_Jordan]

15 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

your right

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but everything I saw indicated that the dive flaps added lift and therefore pulled up the plane at high speed.

[CountZero]

18 minutes ago, 216th_Jordan said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but everything I saw indicated that the dive flaps added lift and therefore pulled up the plane at high speed.

 

the way i understand it is you enter dive go to fast and compresabilty have effect of pulling your nouse down, and your not able to pull it up as your elevators are no effective, so you activate dive brakes and your nouse starts to pull up but i think its just because center of gravity switched back to where it is before compresability started to have effect on plane. So maybe thats the lift you talk about. And then your also able to pull up as airflow is again on your elevators and you also slow down becouse of added drag.

Edited September 11, 2018 by 77.CountZero

[Legioneod]

2 hours ago, =FEW=Herne said:

anyone know when you are supposed to deploy these flaps ? 

 

Every time you initiate a high speed dive, or just when you start to feel the effects of compression ?

 

From what I've seen in pilot accounts they usually deploy them at the beginning of the dive.

[CountZero]

yes, but in the 46 game i always activated them when i needed them , to not lose that speed gain on start of dives insted activating them at start of dives and be slower from start

Edited September 11, 2018 by 77.CountZero

[Enceladus828]

I believe the dive flaps will take time to model and to make them function accurately, so it would make sense to start developing the 3D external model now.

The only information we've heard about the Tempest is it's 3D model is in development and the team is trying to find Tempest cockpits; the only info about the P-51D is that it will be the D-15 model (maybe several), and that it's 3D model is also in development.

Regarding the P-38, I believe either that for some reason the devs haven't started making it yet (maybe they have, but it's just begun), or they have forgotten to mention that they are currently working on it.