Vickers - lMG 08/15 rate of fire

[HagarTheHorrible]

Given the attention to detail that 777 appears to have with regard to the minutiae of aircraft and systems in BoX I hope that they will look with fresh eyes at the rates of fire of the competing weapons.  From what I remember of RoF both the Vickers and Maxim lMG 08/15 were given a standard rate of fire of approx 650 rpm (?).

 

Nobody here would accept a "that'll do" to flight models, or other weapon systems, as fitted to WW2 aircraft, but if FC follows RoF's lead then that is quite probably what will happen here.

 

Flight models might be the most important thing but weapons should be a very close second.  I hope the Dev's can put as much thought into this as they did with the Gyro gunsight.

 

It seems that because the two guns share a common heritage they are lumped together when it comes to performance, totally ignoring the work done by Vickers to fundimentally redesign the gun and allow it to reach it's full potential.  My references for the Vickers and Maxim are "Flying Guns of WW1" and "The Vickers - Maxim Machine Gun, by Martin Pegler", maybe as good a reference as we might be able to find.  Martin Pegler runs a consultancy from his home in Northern France, he actually owns a MG 08,  I wondered if I might contact him and see if he's willing to enlighten us any further, on top of what he has written in his book, cheeky possibly, but theres no harm in trying.  I'll probably only get one shot at it though ( no pun intended ?) so does anyone have any suggestions as to what and how I should phrase my email to him ?

 

 

[PeterZvan]

Rate of fire was adjusted in RoF some time ago - also detailed dev explanation was given.

Vickers wihtout booster was about 400 rpm, with booster 800 rpm and Maxim (Spandau?) around 650 trough the war. This is of the top of my head without checking. Lewis is also somewhere at 700 rpm 

This means that until the Camel / SE5a the guns are quite crap, but than its a completly other story.

As for the rotarys the rews play a huge role in the fire rate - not so noticeable with the boosted ones, but unboosted really suffer and sometimes it makes sence to throttle down to about 1000 rpm for the firing ( N17 / Pup / Triplane...)

[TG-55Panthercules]

There was also a set of mods Bucksnort created for RoF (based on original mod work by gavagai) that set the guns for what were believed to be historically appropriate rates of fire for various different periods during the war.  I'm sure there was a thread or two about the subject on the RoF forums at the time discussing the topic at length (especially this one: https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/39146-reduced-rate-fire-mod/page-2  - unfortunately many of the links in that thread were broken by the forum software conversion a few years ago and I haven't been able to fix them).

Edited August 30, 2018 by TG-55Panthercules

[Zooropa_Fly]

That mod is great. I usually deploy it on the rare occasions I play SP.

Feels much more realistic than some of the laser guns in the normal game !

[Sgt_Joch]

As I recall, both MGs had pilot adjustable ROFs. You can find references to pilots cranking the Vicker's ROF to 1,000 RPM and the Spandau to 700 RPM. As I recall, even the USAS set the ROF at 700-800 for the Vickers in 1918. Problem was the higher you set the ROF, the more the probability of a hard jam increased.

Edited September 24, 2018 by Sgt_Joch

[Chill31]

4 hours ago, Sgt_Joch said:

As I recall, both MGs had pilot adjustable ROFs. You can find references to pilots cranking the Vicker's ROF to 1,000 RPM and the Spandau to 700 RPM. As I recall, even the USAS set the ROF at 700-800 for the Vickers in 1918. Problem was the higher you set the ROF, the more the probability of a hard jam increased.

 

I would be interested to see any reference to pilots cranking up the rate of fire.  My research shows a constant rate of fire throughout the war and across various aircraft types.

 

Spandau rate of fire

Edited September 24, 2018 by Chill31

[Sgt_Joch]

52 minutes ago, Chill31 said:

 

I would be interested to see any reference to pilots cranking up the rate of fire.  My research shows a constant rate of fire throughout the war and across various aircraft types.

 

Spandau rate of fire

 

Hi, there are references in the ROF thread linked above, look at my post #30 and #60 on the Vickers and #62 on the Spandau.

 

https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/39146-reduced-rate-fire-mod/page-1