Possible content for TF 6.0

[Enceladus828]

TFS have told us that if TF 5.0 is a commercial success, then we should be excited about TF 6.0. We know what content 5.0 will contain: new aircraft (Wellington, Gladiator, Dewoitine D.520, P-40, etc.), Tobruk map, new ships (HMS Nelson, Warspite, Cossack, VIIC Submarine, etc.), many bug fixes, etc. TF 5.0 will arrive when it arrives. That being said, for now we only know a few things about what will be in TF 6.0.  I really hope that TF 5.0 is a success and that it's the first of many addons as Cliffs of Dover is a really great game with all of the features that it has, like clickable cockpits, 3d damage, etc. I hope in years to come there will be 100+ aircraft, and Cliffs of Dover will become very popular among many people. This will make Oleg Maddox's dream come true as this game was intended to be his masterpiece. Note: the initial failure of CoD is the reason that IL-2 Great Battles exists in its current form.

 

Getting back on topic:

Here is what we know 6.0 will contain: Fw 190 A-1/-2, P-40F, Aircraft Carriers, VR for sure.

Possible locations: Malta; map will probably include Tunisia, Tripoli, possibly Sicily (Operation Husky will possibly be in TF 7.0). Possibly for TF 6.5: map of Morocco and Algeria for Operation Torch.

Possibly some new ships: Supply and destroyers.

Here are some possible aircraft for TF 6.0

 

British                                                                                                                                                                  

Bristol Beaufort                                                                                                                                         

Walrus                                                                                                                             

Spitfire Mk.Vc                                                                                                 

Spitfire Mk.Vc trop                                                                                                           

                                            

British Carrier Aircraft 

Fairey Fulmar

Sea Gladiator

Sea Hurricane Mk.IB/C

Fairey Albacore

Fairey Swordfish

Seafire

 

American

C47 (Torch)

SBD Dauntless (Torch)

TBF Avenger (Torch)

P-38(Torch)

 

Italian

Re.2000

CANT Z506

CANT Z1007

SM.79 

 

Germany

Ju-52

Hs-129B-2

Bf 109 G-2

Bf 109 G-2 trop    

If you see that there are aircraft that fought in the Siege of Malta and Operation Torch, and are not on this list, please let me know.

 

Cheers.

Edited May 1, 2023 by Enceladus
Making revisions

[InProgress]

I think Fw190 was suppose to be added later but not as part of any expansion (maybe to these who buy tobruk but idk) it was plane for channel map only.

They also said they were thinking about Syria, but i googled a bit and if they meant 1941, invasion of Vichy French Syria then it would feel boring i guess it was really short and not many planes flew there, around 50 for british and less than 300 for french who lost most on the ground anyway. 1 british fighter was lost so does not sound very exiting 

 

 

I don't think even they know what they want to do later anyway. I would like to see more north africa, malta, italy later. Still "Fall of France" could be cool with 1940 and map expansed more to the east.

 So coast of north africa, more west front expansion and mediterrarian (my dream fly ju52 supply from Italy/france to Africa. Tunis, Trypolis, Sicily.

 

I am no fan of Spanish civil war at all, but if they will be sucesfull, it could be fun too, lot of people wanted this for BoX but i guess it's something devs don't want to risk since it's something really unknown and not very popular.

 

Edited August 22, 2018 by InProgress

[DD_Arthur]

10 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

(Operation Husky will be in TF 7.0).

 

Wow!  Does Buzzsaw know this?

[dburne]

I hope TF 5.0 is a such a success that they can see their way clear to make the changes to implement VR support.

Whilst we are still certainly in a minority, I am sure there are several of us that are waiting for this to get back into Cliffs. And as time marches on there will be more and more of us.

[Cybermat47]

11 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

(Operation Husky will be in TF 7.0). 

 

What makes you say that?

[bubo942]

If there will be P-40F and Operation Torch so there is hope for P-38  

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, PB_Cybermat47 said:

 

What makes you say that?

Because after the Siege of Malta, Torch, and the Tunisia campaign, the allies invaded Sicily. But I should rephrase that sentence to "possibly" because they could do the Invasion of Greece and Syria and Lebanon before doing Operation Husky.

[Buzzsaw]

Hello All

 

As I have mentioned, whether or not TF 5.5/6.0 happens is dependent on the success of TF 5.0.

 

Regarding aircraft for TF 5.5/6.0... here is what you can expect as far as the popular types are concerned.:

 

Focke-Wulf 190A-1/A-2/A-3/A-4

 

109G-2/Trop

 

Bf-110F

 

Spitfire VC/Trop/LF

 

Spitfire IXA

 

P-40F/Kittyhawk II

 

Beaufighter VI

Wellington III

 

If TF 5.5/6.0 goes ahead, I am certain there will be other aircraft included beyond what is listed above, but as to exactly what types or versions, we can't say at this point.

 

And we cannot be specific as to the map or theater.

 

Final comment in this thread as to plane types.

[Poochnboo]

5.0 isn't even out yet, and people are worrying about 7.0? 

[BOO]

2 minutes ago, Poochnboo said:

5.0 isn't even out yet, and people are worrying about 7.0? 

not me - totally focussed on TFS - The Falklands War

[Enceladus828]

2 hours ago, BOO said:

not me - totally focussed on TFS - The Falklands War

The Falkland War was in the 1980s

[Poochnboo]

Boo is joking!

53 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

The Falkland War was in the 1980s

 

[Feathered_IV]

On ‎8‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 11:50 AM, Novice-Flyer said:

Possible locations: Malta

 

If you can do Malta, you will have my heart and soul.

[InProgress]

8 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

If you can do Malta, you will have my heart and soul.

Yeah I would vote for Malta as 6.0 too

[FS_Fenice_1965]

If the teather is around 1942/1943 Italy there are some must imho:

- macchi 205

- fiat g55

- reggiane re 2005 and 2000.

- Also Piaggio P 108 had an interesting role above Tunisia and Huski and can be an absolute noveaulty for any simulation.

 

We still miss Macchi MC200, SM 79 and Cant z 1007 for MTO Teathers

Edited August 25, 2018 by FS_Fenice_1965

[CisTer-dB-]

On 8/23/2018 at 9:24 PM, BOO said:

not me - totally focussed on TFS - The Falklands War

You mean the Malvinas island 

[Enceladus828]

9 hours ago, FS_Fenice_1965 said:

We still miss Macchi MC200

TFS has told us that they were planning to make the Macchi MC.200, but because it was too similar in appearance and flight dynamics to the Fiat G.50, it was cancelled.

[No.85_Camm]

15 hours ago, ATAG_dB said:

You mean the Malvinas island 

NO..........it is the Falkland islands. If you had fought there.....you wouldn't call it by the Argentinian name

[Buzzsaw]

11 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

TFS has told us that they were planning to make the Macchi MC.200, but because it was too similar in appearance and flight dynamics to the Fiat G.50, it was cancelled.

We think players will be more interested in the Macchi C-202... it is much more competitive with the Spits and P-40's and quite a beautiful aircraft to boot.  There will be two versions.

 

The C-200 had slightly better climb and speed performance than the G-50, but only marginally.  And it turned a little worse.  So it wouldn't be much of change and not much of an upgrade.

[Trooper117]

That's a shame... because they would have been a common sight for allied flyers out there 

[InProgress]

6 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

That's a shame... because they would have been a common sight for allied flyers out there 

Well, it looks almost the same so won't make much of a difference

[Buzzsaw]

7 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

That's a shame... because they would have been a common sight for allied flyers out there 

The C-200 actually saw more service from Sicily bases versus Malta... the first monoplane fighter in N Africa was the G-50.

[Trooper117]

Not disputing anything chaps... it would have been nice to have it in game, and just an opinion of course.

As a side note, during 1942 those that had not been replaced by the Mc 202, spent most of their time as fighter bombers engaged in the fighting around Tobruk, and also during the Axis retreat after Alamein.

 

Edited August 26, 2018 by Trooper117

[InProgress]

The more the better, of course it would be cool. Even tho I don't fly Italian planes (they are so weird) I would like to see it. And maybe we will with Malta as expansion in the future. 

[FS_Fenice_1965]

Planeset all depends on the exact timeframe of the simulated theatre.

Another point of view is to choose the planes that have flown over an area in different timeframes (this gives more freedom to mission builders)

Edited August 26, 2018 by FS_Fenice_1965

[Buzzsaw]

Building an external model and cockpit for the CLIFFS OF DOVER system is a huge task.

 

It typically takes 6 months for each.

 

For that reason TF needs to be very selective in where we put our limited resources.

 

Building a Macchi C-200 for TF 5.0 would be nice, but in terms of replicating the environment of North Africa it does not add a lot considering the presence of the Fiat G-50.

 

On the other hand, adding a Fiat CR-42 and Macchi C-202 to the existing G-50 flyable gives a broad spectrum of the performance which was available to the pilots of the Regia Aeronautica and allows mission builders to cover the period of July 1940 to May 1942 fairly comprehensively.

 

The two earlier aircraft will also have the fighter-bomber option available so they can be used in that role as they were in late 1941 and 1942.

[FS_Fenice_1965]

 Compromises need to be accepted. The programmed planeset  for 5.0 is above best expectations, considered the time needed and the commercial environment.

 

 

[ironk79]

Just the implemetation of VR alone to the current state of COD/TF would be a reason enough to buy COD/TF a second time.

I am painfully waiting for VR support, since i cant go back to monitor, but I truly miss the channel and the western front.

[Lensman1945]

On 10/4/2018 at 9:52 AM, ironk79 said:

Just the implemetation of VR alone to the current state of COD/TF would be a reason enough to buy COD/TF a second time.

I am painfully waiting for VR support, since i cant go back to monitor, but I truly miss the channel and the western front.

This

[Sokol1]

Thing is that implementation VR alone will not sell CloD for non VR users - that still the majority, many expect significantly fixes and improvement in game engine - even more than just new planes.

 

 

[Buzzsaw]

47 minutes ago, Sokol1 said:

Thing is that implementation VR alone will not sell CloD for non VR users - that still the majority, many expect significantly fixes and improvement in game engine - even more than just new planes.

 

 

Detailed Code changes to game engine are a part of TF 5.0.

[Enceladus828]

Now that the TF 6.0 announcement has been made, let's see what I got right 5 years ago:

 

Quote

 

Here is what we know 6.0 will contain: Fw 190 A-1/-2, P-40F, Aircraft Carriers, VR for sure.

Possible locations: Malta; map will probably include Tunisia, Tripoli, possibly Sicily (Operation Husky will possibly be in TF 7.0). Possibly for TF 6.5: map of Morocco and Algeria for Operation Torch.

Possibly some new ships: Supply and destroyers.

Here are some possible aircraft for TF 6.0

 

British                                                                                                                                                                  

Bristol Beaufort                                                                                                                                         

Walrus                                                                                                                             

Spitfire Mk.Vc                                                                                                 

Spitfire Mk.Vc trop                                                                                                           

                                            

British Carrier Aircraft 

Fairey Fulmar

Sea Gladiator

Sea Hurricane Mk.IB/C

Fairey Albacore

Fairey Swordfish

Seafire

 

American

C47 (Torch)

SBD Dauntless (Torch)

TBF Avenger (Torch)

P-38(Torch)

 

Italian

Re.2000

CANT Z506

CANT Z1007

SM.79 

 

Germany

Ju-52

Hs-129B-2

Bf 109 G-2

Bf 109 G-2 trop    

 

 

So yeah, I only got 4 planes right, not sure what destroyers we'll get or if we'll get any new supply ships so I'm leaving that out. At the time I posted this thread I believed that the Axis in 1941-42 were also attacking Malta from airbases in Tunisia so that's why I suggested a Malta map also include Tunisia and Tripoli. I don't think we'll get an Algeria and Morocco map for Operation Torch anytime soon.

 

But anyway, the list I made could be used for TF 7.0 or TF 8.0

 

[Mysticpuma]

I'm surprised no mention of Malta? 

I mean, I would think after all this time we would get a new area to fight over? 

[BOO]

19 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

I'm surprised no mention of Malta? 

I mean, I would think after all this time we would get a new area to fight over? 

Malta always worried me in terms of a map because, whilst its a pretty small island, its had many unique and distinct  landmarks. It also had/has a tremendously complex and dense layout that gets increasily more so as the bombings of the seige continue (to a point where the destruction itself becomes iconic). A few immuclate autogen buidings set arouind one or two landmarks as is the case in flight sims wouldnt cut it i dont think. 

 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

53 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

I'm surprised no mention of Malta? 

I mean, I would think after all this time we would get a new area to fight over? 

Could be the team learned its' lesson from DW-T. Publishers will go with scenarios the largest audience will be familiar with and interested in. That results in reflexive resort to the "tried and true".

[Buzzsaw]

1 hour ago, Mysticpuma said:

I'm surprised no mention of Malta? 

I mean, I would think after all this time we would get a new area to fight over? 

As part of a more open PR policy from Fulqrum, TF will be making further announcements regarding other projects in the works.  This will include details of upcoming maps and aircraft.

 

Translation:  We have other maps and aircraft not mentioned in the FORTRESSES AND FOCKE-WULFS announcement which are in development.

[Mysticpuma]

7 minutes ago, Buzzsaw said:

As part of a more open PR policy from Fulqrum, TF will be making further announcements regarding other projects in the works.  This will include details of upcoming maps and aircraft.

 

Translation:  We have other maps and aircraft not mentioned in the FORTRESSES AND FOCKE-WULFS announcement which are in development.

Thanks Buzzsaw. 

So a partial V6 announcement? 

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

1 minute ago, Mysticpuma said:

Thanks Buzzsaw. 

So a partial V6 announcement? 

I imagine for future releases as well. 

[No.54_Reddog]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

Malta always worried me in terms of a map because, whilst its a pretty small island, its had many unique and distinct  landmarks. It also had/has a tremendously complex and dense layout that gets increasily more so as the bombings of the seige continue (to a point where the destruction itself becomes iconic). A few immuclate autogen buidings set arouind one or two landmarks as is the case in flight sims wouldnt cut it i dont think. 

 

 

Which is pretty much what I said to the TF head map honcho. Malta done right would be enough for me to not worry about anything ever again. Malta done badly, well, that'll just be a crying shame.

[Buzzsaw]

21 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

Thanks Buzzsaw. 

So a partial V6 announcement? 

FORTRESSES AND FOCKE-WULFS is TF 6.0.

 

The announcements would be regarding further modules and additional aircraft.