Ju 88 C series

[Ropalcz]

Hi, do you think there is any chance we will get the Zerstörer version of Ju 88? Its basically A-4 with nose guns (3x20mm). It was used as a train buster in the east in 42-43. Only thing our Ju 88 is missing now is the offensive gun armament. It would be basically 110 on steroids

 

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[Cybermat47]

If they were used in the Kuban and/or Stalingrad, definitely.

 

If not, while I would still like to have it, I’d prefer to see something that was there.

[Ropalcz]

One unit of those planes had base in Taganrog, which is almost exactly half way between Crimea and Stalingrad (Volgograd).

 

Edit: Planes of this type served also in the west - from Bordeau-Merignac against allied naval patrol planes and transport ships.

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by Ropalcz

[LukeFF]

Yes, along with the S-3.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

C6 and S3 would be great.

 

I'm also wishing for a dedicated A17 torpedo variant, when the boat suppositories will be implemented.

[LukeFF]

20 hours ago, PB_Cybermat47 said:

If they were used in the Kuban and/or Stalingrad, definitely.

 

They definitely were, no doubt about that. III./KG 76, for instance, had a number on hand starting in May 1942 (eventually using them at Stalingrad) and kept them almost to the end of 1943, even when they switched fronts.

 

Edited August 21, 2018 by LukeFF

[Dutchvdm]

I think it would be a nice addition. But the default armament wasn't that impressive. It had a single Mg-FF cannon, and three Mg-17's. The extra cannon's where a modification i believe. 

 

 

Grt M

Edited August 21, 2018 by I./ZG1_Martijnvdm

[F/JG300_Gruber]

I don't have my references at hand but I believe that the modification of the bodenwanne to accomodate the twin MG FF/M was factory standard on the C6.

 

It may have been a field mod on earlier variants or prototypes. 

 

With the overall timeframe of IL2, it makes more sense to get that late variant based on the A4 airframe I think. It would also cut down on development costs (no I'm absolutely not biased towards the more gunz variant )

Edited August 21, 2018 by F/JG300_Gruber

[Ropalcz]

35 minutes ago, I./ZG1_Martijnvdm said:

I think it would be a nice addition. But the default armament wasn't that impressive. It had a single Mg-FF cannon, and three Mg-17's. The extra cannon's where a modification i believe. 

 

 

Grt M

 Yep, but still much better than our current Ju. Btw this one exactly has extra two forward forward aiming 20 milimeters in the gondola ?

 

Edit: Even the version with 3xMG17 and one MG FF/M would be a reason for celebration ?

Edited August 21, 2018 by Ropalcz

[Dutchvdm]

8 minutes ago, F/JG300_Gruber said:

I don't have my references at hand but I believe that the modification of the bodenwanne to accomodate the twin MG FF/M was factory standard on the C6.

 

It may have been a field mod on earlier variants or prototypes. 

 

With the overall timeframe of IL2, it makes more sense to get that late variant based on the A4 airframe I think. It would also cut down on development costs (no I'm absolutely not biased towards the more gunz variant )

 

That could be true. Makes sense to only model the late model which was used at Stalingrad. 

16 minutes ago, Ropalcz said:

 Yep, but still much better than our current Ju. Btw this one exactly has extra two forward forward aiming 20 milimeters in the gondola ?

 

Edit: Even the version with 3xMG17 and one MG FF/M would be a reason for celebration ?

 

I agree... Even without the extra armament it would be a cool and welcome addition. 

 

Grt M

[Ropalcz]

I just read that there was a version A-14 which was basically A-4 with one MG FF/M in the gondola. Also the Finns have made field tuning of A-4 (also 20 mil).

 

Ju 88 A-4 LeLv44 JK-256, Onttola 1944

[LLv34_Temuri]

On 8/20/2018 at 3:09 PM, Ropalcz said:

Only thing our Ju 88 is missing now is the offensive gun armament.

 

Ahem... I'd take the Stuvi before anything else on the Ju88.

[Ropalcz]

43 minutes ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

Ahem... I'd take the Stuvi before anything else on the Ju88.

 

Forgot to mention it. Also for Stuvi.

[Dutchvdm]

Was it not common for Ju-88's to remove the dive-brakes when only used as bomber? That would be nice to have if if they ever add Stuvi. 

 

Grt M

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, I./ZG1_Martijnvdm said:

Was it not common for Ju-88's to remove the dive-brakes when only used as bomber? That would be nice to have if if they ever add Stuvi. 

 

Yes, in the notes I have, this started becoming common in 1942, along with removing the nose-mounted MG 81.

[Dutchvdm]

2 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, in the notes I have, this started becoming common in 1942, along with removing the nose-mounted MG 81.

 

Thnx. I thought i read this somewhere, but wasn't sure about. I wonder what kind of speed difference it would make.

 

Grt M

[F/JG300_Gruber]

On 8/22/2018 at 12:03 AM, Ropalcz said:

I just read that there was a version A-14 which was basically A-4 with one MG FF/M in the gondola. Also the Finns have made field tuning of A-4 (also 20 mil).

 

Ju 88 A-4 LeLv44 JK-256, Onttola 1944

 

Problem is that iirc the mounting of the single 20mm comes at the expense of the bombsight.

 

You basically end up with a fatter underarmed bf110. 

 

I'd prefer a dedicated zerstorer version

[Dutchvdm]

9 minutes ago, F/JG300_Gruber said:

 

Problem is that iirc the mounting of the single 20mm comes at the expense of the bombsight.

 

You basically end up with a fatter underarmed bf110. 

 

I'd prefer a dedicated zerstorer version

 

Agree. And since the Bf-110 is already an AAA magnet, the Ju-88 is even going to be worse.

 

Grt M

[Ropalcz]

Yep, dedicated C variant would be the best, but A-4 with Stuvi and 20mm also isn't a bad idea.

 

Does anyone know, whether the extra 20mm was fired by the pilot himself?

Edited August 23, 2018 by Ropalcz

[Ulfricsombrage]

I just discovered this topic, I made a similar post earlier this year. Other version of ju88 (which is my favourite plane along with fw 190) could be awesome, especially the c and p version. And S version too for Bodenplatte ^^. 

[Bremspropeller]

What was the usual bombload of a C-6 in A/G missions?

 

IIRC they still had the bomb bay, but could (would) they also carry heavy bombs on the inner wing racks?

[Juri_JS]

9 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

What was the usual bombload of a C-6 in A/G missions?

Standard armament were the 50kg bombs in the internal bomb bay, but I've read combat reports of units equipped with the C6 that mention the use AB 500 bombs, so obviously it was possible to fit wing racks if necessary.

 

 

[Wester]

On 8/23/2018 at 2:16 AM, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

Was it not common for Ju-88's to remove the dive-brakes when only used as bomber? That would be nice to have if if they ever add Stuvi. 

 

Grt M

 

On 8/23/2018 at 3:55 AM, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, in the notes I have, this started becoming common in 1942, along with removing the nose-mounted MG 81.

 

I wish the developers could implement these modifications. Removal of dive breaks and removal of the front gunners MG 81.  It surely can't be that much work to remove a few functioning bits off the Ju-88.

 

https://youtu.be/9DZlVk3nC7E?t=1290

 

The front MG 81 obscures the dials for the engines and is practically useless in defense of the aircraft. Removed dive breaks would provide only little speed improvement, but it would be nice to see more field modifications.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Sd.Kfz.251-1-Ausf*C-APC

[Bremspropeller]

Does anybody know if Ju 88Cs were used as stop-gap night fighters in the east?

[Juri_JS]

11 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Does anybody know if Ju 88Cs were used as stop-gap night fighters in the east?

Not as stop-gap but as regular night fighters. First by IV./NJG 5 and later by parts of NJG 100 and 200.  Both versions with radar and without radar were used.

[CountZero]

https://books.google.com/books?id=27nvCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT149&lpg=PT149&dq=ju-88C6+on+russian+front&source=bl&ots=7edSWBWJ9t&sig=Urc7icIXsrNEFDa2-cz7IKOX9sk&hl=hr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjD-tLEyMzfAhVROBoKHa_8DQsQ6AEwE3oECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=ju-88C6 on russian front&f=false

 

and here if you go on air units, you can check when and where units mentioned in book had them

https://www.ww2.dk/

[Blitzen]

Coincidentally speaking;

  this morning I checked on the long awaited 5.0 addition to Cliffs of Dover/Blitz from Team Fusion A.T.A.G. and guess what I found that will be included when/if 5.0 is released: