Fw 190A8 cooling

[Legioneod]

1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said:

it seams 190A5 also neded fix and was to fast (who knew)

nice to see they fix that in latest update, now it looks more normal, red is 3.012b and blue is 3.010 top speed on same enviroment for test. ( left lines combat, right emergancy 0% rads both and trimed for best speed)

 

and 190a8 dont overheat as fast and is by 5-10kmh slower then 3010 in latest fix for its coling

 

What program is that? I've been trying to graph some of my performance charts but they always come out wrong.

[CountZero]

12 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

 

What program is that? I've been trying to graph some of my performance charts but they always come out wrong.

It old il-2 compare program that you can get on M4T, and i removed old airplanes data and add BoX ones and fill them in with numbers i get from in game tests for max speed atleast thats easy to do. (originaly program would automaticly fill in data from FM files of il-2 1946 game with some mod but i dont think that mod works wth this game so manualy testing is what i did)

[CUJO_1970]

lol, none of those charts are accurate.

[Legioneod]

1 hour ago, CUJO_1970 said:

lol, none of those charts are accurate.

 

To real life or to the game? If he's taking data from the game and plotting them then I don't see how they're inaccurate. If they aren't correct to real data then it's most likely due to the flight model.

[CountZero]

Now when they finaly fixed A5, and make it slower, it seams A3 should also be fixed and make slower, i see they talk about that on russian forum already, good times coming for finaly getting thouse 190s where they should be

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/8420-обсуждение-версии-3012-fw-190-d-9-prokhorovka-m4a2-pzkpfwiii-ausfm-fokker-dviif/?do=findComment&comment=685768

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/8420-обсуждение-версии-3012-fw-190-d-9-prokhorovka-m4a2-pzkpfwiii-ausfm-fokker-dviif/?do=findComment&comment=685770

 

190D9 red line is my test resoults and blue D9 line is what devs get in test for same settings, +-5kmh at most (thats good enought for me to know i get good enought comparasons with not big error in my test )

Spoiler

 

Edited April 3, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

7 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

good times coming for finaly getting thouse 190s where they should be

 

so they will put them on your six somehow?

[CUJO_1970]

[edited] hopefully we can get back on topic.

 

Haven't had a chance to fully test yet the A8 yet - but starting with lower temperature now, one thing that is noticeable (but not really tested) is the climb is better due to improved cooling - this also seems to improve cruising speed so you can arrive with more energy in reserve.

Edited April 3, 2019 by SYN_Haashashin
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[E69_geramos109]

On 4/2/2019 at 5:36 PM, 77.CountZero said:

It old il-2 compare program that you can get on M4T, and i removed old airplanes data and add BoX ones and fill them in with numbers i get from in game tests for max speed atleast thats easy to do. (originaly program would automaticly fill in data from FM files of il-2 1946 game with some mod but i dont think that mod works wth this game so manualy testing is what i did)

Can you share your verssion of the program with your data from tests?

[CountZero]

9 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

Can you share your verssion of the program with your data from tests?

Program is same old il-2 compare, what is changed is data it shows, you can download that program from mission 4 today,  but you also have it in your il-2 1946 hsfx in manuals folder.

ill send you in pm data files i edited with speds from tests in box, so you can use it like i use it.

Edited April 14, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[Nocke]

as this thread is about A8 cooling: can someone tell someone who flies without technochat how to handle the cooling? Is it enough to keep the oil below a certain value, or can the cylinder head still overheat, and I can't know when?

[E69_geramos109]

12 minutes ago, Nocke said:

as this thread is about A8 cooling: can someone tell someone who flies without technochat how to handle the cooling? Is it enough to keep the oil below a certain value, or can the cylinder head still overheat, and I can't know when?

Is a shame but I can not recomend you to fly without the technochat. No idea if there is some way to see that on the 190 but for examble on some 109 variants there is no way to check oil tem because the swich button between oil and water  is just not modelled. Is reported to devs but it should be not a priority for now. 

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

Is a shame but I can not recomend you to fly without the technochat. No idea if there is some way to see that on the 190 but for examble on some 109 variants there is no way to check oil tem because the swich button between oil and water  is just not modelled. Is reported to devs but it should be not a priority for now. 

 

It is entirely possible to fly without technochat if you just follow the specs written inside the game and the gauges on your dash, be it a 190, 109, Yak, LaGG, whatever - and you know that darn good and well.

[SCG_OpticFlow]

5 hours ago, Nocke said:

as this thread is about A8 cooling: can someone tell someone who flies without technochat how to handle the cooling? Is it enough to keep the oil below a certain value, or can the cylinder head still overheat, and I can't know when? 

 

After the last patch I haven't got overheat issues when keeping the oil temp below the 80'C mark (on A5 and A8).

[E69_geramos109]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

It is entirely possible to fly without technochat if you just follow the specs written inside the game and the gauges on your dash, be it a 190, 109, Yak, LaGG, whatever - and you know that darn good and well.

That is not entirely true. With the 109 there is a reported bug with the oil radiator. On winter maps it seems to be more noticeable. The oil radiator just does not open and you get oil overheat even on 1.15 ata. Continuous by the game specs. With high altitud the problem increases and with climbing increases as well. With 1.25 ata you will get overheat flying at 6000m under 3 mins and you will break the engine. You can make the test if you want. 

The only way to counter the problem is waiting the technochat warning and then relax the engine or overcool the water opening the rads by manual.

 

The bug is reported pathes ago to devs by pm and on the forum with a video I posted. You can check

Edited April 14, 2019 by E69_geramos109

[Nocke]

1 hour ago, OpticFlow said:

 

After the last patch I haven't got overheat issues when keeping the oil temp below the 80'C mark (on A5 and A8).

Thx! That's the sort of info I was hoping for ?

Answers like "read the specs" are just less helpful because one cant't check the cylinder head temperature, and there was a time when 190s died from a too high cylinder head temperature even with oil well below 80 degrees. Good to know that changed.

[Legioneod]

7 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

Program is same old il-2 compare, what is changed is data it shows, you can download that program from mission 4 today,  but you also have it in your il-2 1946 hsfx in manuals folder.

ill send you in pm data files i edited with speds from tests in box, so you can use it like i use it.

I'd like to have that data as well if you don't mind. If I could figure out how to change things in the program I'd do it myself but I can seem to figure it out.

[Ehret]

Or get any other diff utility and keep backups of older versions to compare. But why? I have paid to enjoy it by playing it; not by debugging it. Whatever you may find the Devs will do their thing unfazed.

[SCG_OpticFlow]

21 hours ago, Nocke said:

Thx! That's the sort of info I was hoping for ?

Answers like "read the specs" are just less helpful because one cant't check the cylinder head temperature, and there was a time when 190s died from a too high cylinder head temperature even with oil well below 80 degrees. Good to know that changed. 

 

I've tested yesterday, the techno-chat warning comes up at 95 degrees C oil temp. Seems like the oil temp is the only indicator you need to keep in mind now.

[=GW=seaflanker819]

On 4/2/2019 at 11:36 PM, 77.CountZero said:

It old il-2 compare program that you can get on M4T, and i removed old airplanes data and add BoX ones and fill them in with numbers i get from in game tests for max speed atleast thats easy to do. (originaly program would automaticly fill in data from FM files of il-2 1946 game with some mod but i dont think that mod works wth this game so manualy testing is what i did)

How do you get IAS manually? Use HUD to read speed per 10km/h? OR use some program read directly from FM of BOS?