2080 TI ?

[Herne]

Rumour control indicates that Nvidia may be planning to launch the TI variant along side the 2080 for the first time.

https://wccftech.com/rumor-nvidia-launching-surprise-rtx-2080-ti-with-4352-cuda-cores-11gb-gddr6-vram/

[dburne]

Yeah that is what it is sounding like. I was going to just hold off for the Ti version thinking that would buy me some time lol.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yes, we've already discussed that elsewhere: 

PNY went as far as to list specs and even instruction (which they quickly removed) : https://videocardz.com/77439/pny-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-xlr8-series-leaked-by-pny

 

 

 

[Ceowulf]

Ok, even if it's been discussed elsewhere, what do you guys think RTX2080ti and realtime ray tracing means for us here?  I really hope we can get more airplanes per mission before they get prettier, but I suspect that's a CPU problem.  

 

Is ray tracing a whole engine re-write?  Do we even care?  Game looks pretty awesome in 4K now.

 

Ceowulf<><

 

 

[kestrel79]

Think I'm going to wait until the next round of cards comes out before I rebuild my PC. Hopefully these come out before the Holidays?

[Hoss]

I get my bonus end of March, that's when I plan on my next rebuild/upgrade.  I've got a PC Power and Cooling Silencer 910W High Performance PS in the box now, but I've got one SSD and two HD's also running, it might handle it, but now sure......

Can't wait........... hopefully by then second/third generation VR will be out or close to it. 

Cheers

Hoss

[dburne]

4 hours ago, Ceowulf said:

Ok, even if it's been discussed elsewhere, what do you guys think RTX2080ti and realtime ray tracing means for us here?  I really hope we can get more airplanes per mission before they get prettier, but I suspect that's a CPU problem.  

 

Is ray tracing a whole engine re-write?  Do we even care?  Game looks pretty awesome in 4K now.

 

Ceowulf<><

 

 

 

I don't think Ray Tracing will do anything for what we do here, at least for the near future.

2080 Ti though, I am pumped about - hoping for a nice improvement in VR performance. Together with a new PC build later this year hopefully I will be set for a while.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

4 hours ago, Ceowulf said:

Ok, even if it's been discussed elsewhere, what do you guys think RTX2080ti and realtime ray tracing means for us here?

Very little, likely for at least several years. Real-time ray tracing will grow, but I wouldn't count on it for this iteration of Il-2. It will initially supplement traditional techniques to add certain effects in some new games. Expect it to trickle to the mainstream over a few GPU generations.

 

4 hours ago, Ceowulf said:

Is ray tracing a whole engine re-write?

The developers would need to implement some new features from the DirectX 12 API. Il-2 still uses the older DirectX 11. It would be a major rewrite of the rendering to even reach DirectX 12.

 

4 hours ago, Ceowulf said:

Do we even care?  Game looks pretty awesome in 4K now.

Ray tracing is extremely promising, but it isn't a magic fix that immediately makes everything look realistic. Instead, it allows developers to use many techniques that weren't possible in real time. At that point, you're effectively making a new game.

 

5 hours ago, Ceowulf said:

I really hope we can get more airplanes per mission before they get prettier, but I suspect that's a CPU problem.  

Ray tracing won't help with that. DirectX 12 might. 

[BeastyBaiter]

Real time ray tracing is possible with existing cards in DX11. What the new generation of cards do is add specific hardware components designed for nothing but ray tracing, and thus are much quicker at it. In any case, I'm of the wait and see mindset. The leaks strongly suggest the 2080 is nothing more than a cut down 1080 Ti while the 2080 Ti is modestly better. The VRAM situation in particular is disappointing. DCS uses all 11 GB of VRAM on my 1080 Ti, was really hoping to see a push to 16GB for the 2080 and above.

[ShamrockOneFive]

16 minutes ago, BeastyBaiter said:

Real time ray tracing is possible with existing cards in DX11. What the new generation of cards do is add specific hardware components designed for nothing but ray tracing, and thus are much quicker at it. In any case, I'm of the wait and see mindset. The leaks strongly suggest the 2080 is nothing more than a cut down 1080 Ti while the 2080 Ti is modestly better. The VRAM situation in particular is disappointing. DCS uses all 11 GB of VRAM on my 1080 Ti, was really hoping to see a push to 16GB for the 2080 and above.

 

GDDR6 may still yet provide some impressive improvements... If it can't hold everything in memory at least it can swap it in and out much quicker than GDDR5 can.

 

The 2080 is probably too much cash for me but I'm hearing that the GTX 2060 may offer GTX 1080 levels of performance and the RTX 2070 will be extremely quick for the dollar. Very interested to see what happens there.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

30 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

If it can't hold everything in memory at least it can swap it in and out much quicker than GDDR5 can.

When the VRAM limit is exceeded and data has to come from system RAM through the slow PCIe bus, the speed of the VRAM doesn't really matter. High memory bandwidth will help very little when the memory capacity is insufficient.

 

53 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

Very interested to see what happens there.

The prices will be very interesting. If the 2060 remains below $300, it will be a huge boost for midrange buyers. It was sad to see the small performance increases between the GTX 660, 760, and 960. The 1060 finally provided the growth that many were hoping for. These cards are very important due to their popularity; I have no doubt that developers pay attention to them when designing graphical features.

 

Although some information is still missing, I'm convinced that this generation won't be great at the high end (at least outside ray tracing). We'll probably have to wait until next year for the large performance increase.

[coconut]

2 hours ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

I'm convinced that this generation won't be great at the high end (at least outside ray tracing)

 

The cynical me thinks the reason new capabilities are being added to cards is that performance increase in the traditional rendering techniques are disappointing.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm going to stick with optimistic for now. The latest stats leaks suggest some potent increases in performance at least on paper (https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-2070-specs-leaked-2304-cores-8gb-gddr6-at-400).

Plus... I'll be upgrading from a GTX 960 with 2GB of VRAM so 8GB of VRAM seems lavish

[LuftManu]

8 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

GDDR6 may still yet provide some impressive improvements... If it can't hold everything in memory at least it can swap it in and out much quicker than GDDR5 can.

 

The 2080 is probably too much cash for me but I'm hearing that the GTX 2060 may offer GTX 1080 levels of performance and the RTX 2070 will be extremely quick for the dollar. Very interested to see what happens there.

I plan to to keep flying on 1080p and I want to migrate from my 970. Looking at the new 2060 performance and seeing how 1080p it's going to be something from the past I might go to the -60 series. I was always a guy for the -70s as the -80s are too expensive but this is indeed great news and I think at 1080p levels it will run more than smooth. Before a -70s card for 1080p was needed but now it's like if you plan to go to 720p

Edited August 19, 2018 by LF_ManuV

[Rjel]

26 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

I'm going to stick with optimistic for now. The latest stats leaks suggest some potent increases in performance at least on paper (https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-2070-specs-leaked-2304-cores-8gb-gddr6-at-400).

Plus... I'll be upgrading from a GTX 960 with 2GB of VRAM so 8GB of VRAM seems lavish

While $400 for a graphics card is still a lot for me, it is doable. We're in a much better place for these cards than we were when I did my last build in Feb.

 

8 gigs seems incredible. My first computer had either 256k or 512k. Either or I'm not sure anymore. Still, an amazing improvement in the last 30 years.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Admittedly, there are still several unknowns that will affect performance. Clocks are perhaps the most important. However, the limited VRAM certainly does not bode well for a repeat of the large performance improvement from GTX 980 to GTX 1080. This memory stagnation (or even decrease in the case of the 2060) is almost unprecedented.

[sevenless]

On 8/18/2018 at 1:37 PM, =FEW=Herne said:

Rumour control indicates that Nvidia may be planning to launch the TI variant along side the 2080 for the first time.

https://wccftech.com/rumor-nvidia-launching-surprise-rtx-2080-ti-with-4352-cuda-cores-11gb-gddr6-vram/

 

Hmm, interested to learn what it offers compared to my current GTX 980 Asus Strix SLI setup which serves me well for now 4 years.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

9 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Hmm, interested to learn what it offers compared to my current GTX 980 Asus Strix SLI setup which serves me well for now 4 years.

I have no doubt that it will be much faster than 2 980s in SLI. Even the 1080 Ti already delivers better performance. 

[Ehret]

20 hours ago, coconut said:

 

The cynical me thinks the reason new capabilities are being added to cards is that performance increase in the traditional rendering techniques are disappointing.

 

We lost the Dennard scaling a decade ago - remnants of Moore "law" is all what is left. So yeah - more features 1st - more performance 2nd if at all.

[dburne]

PNY 2080 Ti and 2080 info leaked:

https://videocardz.com/77439/pny-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-xlr8-series-leaked-by-pny

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/

https://www.nvidia.es/geforce/20-series/

Well, 2080 costs more than my 1080Ti. While 2080Ti costs almost twice as much as my 1080Ti. Not to mention comparing it to Maxwell, in about four years Nvidia almost doubled prices. I can buy stuff when its reasonable price to performance but in this case I guess its time to wait for 7nm GPU's. In Euro its 1259. 

 

Edit: Though numbers on presentation were a bit lower. Wonder where discrepancy comes from. 

Edited August 20, 2018 by =362nd_FS=Hiromachi

[dburne]

Holy crap.

EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC Ultra

Available for Pre-Order at $1250.00.

Yegads!

[Ceowulf]

Only $1250 and they limit two per household.   How can I order four?

 

Ceowulf<><   

[dburne]

Ugh EVGA sold out of pre-orders on the 2080 Ti Ultra in moments...

[Lusekofte]

As I understand it... that said I do not understand much. This game runs on my 1080 TI on max with FPS on top. So it is not needed.

And DCS , well they say it is not my GPU , nor the CPU .  This might be good for DCS improved VR.

[dburne]

I hope it is not the dang miners buying up all the cards again.

 

[Archie]

Insane pricing, fuelled by people buying these cards at insane pricing. Not even any real time benchmarks yet, ray tracing is pointless for now.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

This is the inevitable result of a lack of competition. AMD is still not able to match the 10 series. It's not surprising that the prices are higher when Nvidia releases something even faster. We saw a similar situation with Intel until Ryzen appeared. The graphics card prices will not be lower until AMD delivers something that can compete.

Edited August 20, 2018 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Well, in that Jensen achieved great marketing result. He has shown a bunch of videos, pictures and gameplays with new features but not a single benchmark or performance comparison, yet people already cleared pre-order stock. 

 

1 hour ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

The graphics card prices will not be lower until AMD delivers something that can compete.

AMD may not be interested to compete in high end. Based on leaks, it seems they work on Navi work focusing on consoles since they control that market. Navi is supposed to be mid range GPU for PCs. 

[JonRedcorn]

These prices are fucking dumb, AMD desperately needs to get back into the high end and bring Nvidia back to earth, not only that but these might not even be that much faster than the 10xx series in normal graphics. They only showed ray tracing benchmarks....

[dburne]

EVGA sold out of pre-orders quick, 2080 Ti Ultra was gone in moments really. 

Guess I will hold out now for a FTW3 model hopefully here in the next few weeks. 

Yeah prices are a little crazy.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

a little

Well, yesterday top consumer GPU cost 699 $ for FE (MSRP), today it costs 1199 $ (again for FE). And four years ago 980Ti  was for "only" 649 $. And people still buy it, proving Nvidia can raise prices next time further. 

[JonRedcorn]

I love how they didn't show any actual performance benchmarks either. Really shows the confidence they have in how well it performs in you know actual real world games.

[sevenless]

48 minutes ago, 15th_JonRedcorn said:

I love how they didn't show any actual performance benchmarks either. Really shows the confidence they have in how well it performs in you know actual real world games.

 

Yeah, test benchmarks will be the most interesting part I´m waiting for. No way I buy a card for 1.200 bucks as a pig in a poke.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Really bummed out at the limit of 2 RTX 2080Ti's per person.   ?

[dburne]

36 minutes ago, VBF-12_Stick-95 said:

Really bummed out at the limit of 2 RTX 2080Ti's per person.   ?

 

I guess they are trying to help more people to get one, however in my case was not any help.

[Archie]

I can't understand why anyone would even consider buying one before they see any benchmarks. 

[JonRedcorn]

the 980ti launched at 650, the 1080ti launched at I think 700 or 750, and now we are all the way up to 1200 bucks. I feel really bad for our euro friends who have to pay a HEFTY vat tax.

[Archie]

10 minutes ago, 15th_JonRedcorn said:

the 980ti launched at 650, the 1080ti launched at I think 700 or 750, and now we are all the way up to 1200 bucks. I feel really bad for our euro friends who have to pay a HEFTY vat tax.

An EVGA 2080Ti  on pre order here in the UK works out at $1500-$1600. The Asus 2080Ti OC works out at around $1800...Insane.

Edited August 20, 2018 by 6./ZG76_Archie

[JonRedcorn]

1 minute ago, 6./ZG76_Archie said:

An EVGA 2080Ti  on pre order here in the UK works out at $1500-$1600. Insane.

All for technology that nobody is even using yet. I understand that without the hardware we'll never see ray tracing but devs aren't going to start programming tons of games to use it when like 2% of gamers are going to own a RTX card.