When can we expect to get Nieuports for Flying Circus?

[Jaws2002]

Hello.

 

Simple question. When can we expect to get My beloved Nieuports to FC?

  I miss my Noop28 and Noop11. 

 

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[BraveSirRobin]

Simple answer.  Eventually.  Maybe.

[Cybermat47]

It would make sense to do 1917 or mid-late 1918 in FC Vol. 2 (if FC Vol. 1 sells enough copies), so you may get your Noops then.

[Gambit21]

I love me some Noop 28.

An underdog...just capable enough to make a fight out it, but just enough "crap" plane to make you feel a sense of accomplishment when you win...or sometimes just make it home alive.

[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

I love me some Noop 28.

An underdog...just capable enough to make a fight out it, but just enough "crap" plane to make you feel a sense of accomplishment when you win...or sometimes just make it home alive.

 

 

Yea. Satisfying little bastard.  Awesome sound, pretty fast down low,  decent guns, but the energy bleed due to wrong wing profile turned it into a dog every time you tried to turn. 

 

I had tons of fun in that thing. 

[PatrickAWlson]

First round is late 1917 into 1918.  With this plane set Sept 1917 would be the earliest possible campaign start.  By this time any Nieuports would have been N24/27.   N28 would make a great one off collector plane.  So let's hope for follow ons.

 

I hope they do a sensible backwards progression, with the next set being late 1916/mid 1917.  Since we are talking future ...

Late 1916-Mid 1917 set (Title: Bloody April)

SPAD 7 (150 and 180 HP engines)

Nieuport 17

Albatros D.II late version

Albatros D.III

Sopwith Pup 

Sopwith Triplane (Collector)

RE8

Breguet 14

Caudron G IV (Collector)

DFW CV

 

The early set (Title: Dawn of Air Combat)

Nieuport 11

DH2

Fokker E.III

Halberstadt D.II (Collector)

Albatros D.II Early

BE2c

FE2b (early and late engines)

Farman F40

Albatros C.III

Rumpler CIV  (Collector)

 

 

 

[US103_Baer]

Decent lists Patrick. 

Sooner, rather than later, we need the 2 big bombers and there's still no Sopwith 1¹/² Strutter or DH4. Both are absolute workhorses and the Strutter for BA is pretty essential isn't it?

 

I feel they're going to need to have all the necessary planes for the full range of ww1 tactical missions, by end of FC vol 2. So that means either, cutting some iconic fighters (not really an option), larger basic plane packs or more collector planes. Personally I'm ok with the latter. 

 

The early list I really like, especially the important later engine variant for the Fe2b/d. However maybe an earlier German 2 seater i instead of the Alb CIII, the Roland C.II perhaps? 

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by US103_Baer

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

Early sentiment is that the Spad is a tad more maneuverable in FC. Might be time to give the Plankturn another go.

[Trooper117]

7 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 N28 would make a great one off collector plane. 

 

Yes, I really enjoyed flying that aeroplane.... but would want a map and campaign to go with it!  

[PatrickAWlson]

3 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Yes, I really enjoyed flying that aeroplane.... but would want a map and campaign to go with it!  

 

Will the FC map include American areas of operation or were those further south?  In campaigns I'm not above a little bit of historical alteration if need be.

10 hours ago, US103_Baer said:

Decent lists Patrick. 

Sooner, rather than later, we need the 2 big bombers and there's still no Sopwith 1¹/² Strutter or DH4. Both are absolute workhorses and the Strutter for BA is pretty essential isn't it?

 

I feel they're going to need to have all the necessary planes for the full range of ww1 tactical missions, by end of FC vol 2. So that means either, cutting some iconic fighters (not really an option), larger basic plane packs or more collector planes. Personally I'm ok with the latter. 

 

The early list I really like, especially the important later engine variant for the Fe2b/d. However maybe an earlier German 2 seater i instead of the Alb CIII, the Roland C.II perhaps? 

 

 

Alb C.III was early 1916, so it was in service earlier than the Roland.  The C.V came out in late 16 followed by the C.VII, C.X, and finally the C.XII.

Strutter is a better choice than the Caudron.

 

I agree that I want more non fighters, but that doesn't seem to be the direction.  A two seater plane pack?  I would but it but my $70 is not enough.  There are some really important two seaters not in that list: Strutter, Salmson,  DH4, LVG.  Variants like the BE2e which was more prevalent than the c in 1917 and is different enough to be a completely different plane.  And there will be shouts for the Morane N (collector plane!).  Morane L would be a great addition to the early war set.

 

For twin engine planes I would prefer tactically oriented like the Caudron or AEG.  The big ones (Gotha, HP) were used in an entirely different way and would generally not be seen in day to day operations over the front.  Kind of like the B17 in WWII - it is an entirely different sim.

 

Looked at my list and there are 4 and 5 two place machines in each of the proposed pack.  It still leaves big holes but it is better than the two that we are getting with FC.

 

One can hope. 

[BraveSirRobin]

15 hours ago, Plank said:

 

If you were not taking twigs and leaves and birds nests out of your undercarriage when you got back home you were flying too high

 

 

This must be a hypothetical. Did you ever actually make it home?

[Jaws2002]

37 minutes ago, Plank said:

Dear Klugerman.

 

Plankturning I almost forgot about that! Great that you reminded me. Yes quite.

 

The Nieuport N28 would have made a superb plankturner if it didn't run out of steam less than

halfway round the turn. This is where it then all goes horribly wrong...

 

Wrong propeller? Wings too thick? Bad engine power and torque curve?

Ailerons too small?  Lack of throw? Too much drag?

 

On looking closely at the plane several features stand out.

Smaller lower wing. When nosing up , the drag of the wings is higher,

this would tend to crank you round the top wing.

Wings are close to center of fuselage. ( This has benefits! )

The elevator is reasonably large. 

 

Low speed authority seems pretty bad in the sim. Ahem.

 

https://youtu.be/rH2yqCKf7UI

 

Looks like they tossed out the second MG. ( Good! Great for single gun match ups. )

 

If only the N28 was deemed a "turner" in the eyes of the devs...

( Thank goodness we have the Sopwith Pup!  )

 

S! P.

 

 

I think the problem, in game, comes from modeling the wrong wing profile. Back in 2010-2011 I checked the  the flight model of the Noop28 in that unGTP moding tool. I remember clearly that they gave the Noop28 the wing profile of the Spad13. 

   The actual aircraft had very different wing profile from the Spad. Not even close. i know i informed Petrovich (he was doing the FMs), but i don't think it was ever fixed. 

That's why the plane bleeds speed so fast in turns. It got the wrong wing. Even the Spad13 turns better in game , but in real world they weren't even close.

When I posted pilot reports about the maneuverability of the N28 , by both German and American pilots, who took part in the same fight, between Noop 28 and Fokker D7,  the guys in the dev team were laughing at me. " How can the noop 28 turn with a fokker. That's silly."

   The problem with game development is that, once the developer made up his mind about one FM, It's almost impossible to make them change their mind.

[Trooper117]

6 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Will the FC map include American areas of operation or were those further south?  In campaigns I'm not above a little bit of historical alteration if need be.

 

Pat, we are getting the map for the Arras sector in FC I believe, so the N28 would need the required map for where it operated, (well over in the French sectors)... If we were to have a campaign for it 

[HiIIBiIIy]

I hope the "FM" discussion of the N28  will go to the proper sub-forum, starting to derail the OP's question.?

[LukeFF]

20 hours ago, Plank said:

If you were not taking twigs and leaves and birds nests out of your undercarriage when you got back home you were flying too high.

 

I've it on good sources that taking flying tips from you is a really dumb idea.

[Cybermat47]

18 minutes ago, Plank said:

Dear Luke.

 

I know you are held in high esteem.

but, indirectly calling anyone dumb is a personal attack.

 

He wasn’t calling you dumb, just saying that taking advice from you about flying is dumb. I agree with Luke here that flying low isn’t a good idea. Getting altitude is important. If you don’t have it, you’re just fodder for MGs and anyone flying higher than you.

 

18 minutes ago, Plank said:

Prefer to get altitude and pick off the lost sheep? Can't handle flying by the seat of your pants?

 

Can you really blame someone for following the same tactics that made von Richthofen successful?

Edited August 16, 2018 by PB_Cybermat47

[LukeFF]

Plank, your MP statistics in ROF and your resultant constant complaining is proof positive that yes, it is a dumb idea to take flying lessons from you - just like it would be a dumb idea to take driving lessons from someone who always drives with reckless abandon. 

[Zooropa_Fly]

Some people play games for fun.. you know enjoyment.

Statistics (worse than damned lies), are an optional extra.

[SYN_Haashashin]

Hi all,

 

Do not get personal. I wont say it twice.

 

Also keep things on topic. From now on I will start deleting all post that are off topic or at least 80% of its content is.

 

Haash

[Jaws2002]

Something cool.

 

Noop 28 flying....  man do i love this little bastard. 

 

watch it turn just after three minutes in.

 

 

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675038705_Nieuport-28-plane_take-off_Spad-aircraft_Spad-7-aircraft

 

And another cool video. D7 and Noop 28:

 

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675038708_Focker-D-7-plane_Nieuport-28-plane_dog-fight_plane-in-flight

Edited August 17, 2018 by Jaws2002