Map Merges Possible?

[RuneWoogey]

Good Day Gents,

 

Brand New to IL-2, the Battle of Bodenplatte reeled me in.  Hypothetically speaking, if 1cG were to make a new version of COD and call it BOB, and the map were to overlap the Bodenplatte area, would it be technically feasible to "Merge" the maps?  Has anyone made .kmz files for Google Earth covering the current map sets?  (BOS, BOM, BOK)

 

I could use a good Mentor/Flight lead if anyone would be willing?  

 

Sincerely, Preston "Woogey" Martin

[-SF-Disarray]

The problem with merging the BOS, BOM and BOK maps is those places aren't anywhere near each other, Moscow is about 1000 Km from Volgagrad for example and the Kuban region is further. There could also be technical issues with doing this too, I don't know much about that side of things.

 

If you are looking for someone to play with send me a PM. I'm just a bit further south than you, down around Portland, so the time zone wouldn't be an issue.

[RuneWoogey]

Hello Disarray, 

 

As far as the Merges go, I was more theorizing about the Future with directly adjacent maps like COD, Bodenplatte, etc.  Speaking of Which, I am trying to figure out the area of the Bodenplatte Map, and my install of appears to be centered around Moscow?  I have not yet purchased Moscow.  Has the Bodenplatte map not been released yet?  

 

-Woog

[dburne]

8 minutes ago, Woogey said:

Hello Disarray, 

 

As far as the Merges go, I was more theorizing about the Future with directly adjacent maps like COD, Bodenplatte, etc.  Speaking of Which, I am trying to figure out the area of the Bodenplatte Map, and my install of appears to be centered around Moscow?  I have not yet purchased Moscow.  Has the Bodenplatte map not been released yet?  

 

-Woog

 

Bodenplatte is in Early Access only at this time , map yet to be completed.

Edited August 13, 2018 by dburne

[RuneWoogey]

Awe OK, Thank you dburne.

 

From your experience, will the Devs remove my Moscow map Access once my purchased map becomes available? 

[dburne]

3 minutes ago, Woogey said:

Awe OK, Thank you dburne.

 

From your experience, will the Devs remove my Moscow map Access once my purchased map becomes available? 

 

I would be surprised if you had access to the Moscow Map ( single player ) if you have not purchased it.

Multiplayer you will have access to the maps, at least I think that is how it is.

[RuneWoogey]

7 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

I would be surprised if you had access to the Moscow Map ( single player ) if you have not purchased it.

Multiplayer you will have access to the maps, at least I think that is how it is.

 

Honestly, I am not sure where in the world I am!  I am just trying to get my bearings at this point.  Having ONLY purchased Bodenplatte in Pre-Order, my map options in the UI single Player Quick Missions tab are these:  Velikie Luki (Winter), Novosokolniki (Winter), Lapino (Summer) (Autumn) and (Winter).  As a Newb, I like to familiarize myself with my surroundings as quickly as possible.  To that end, I am trying to map out the boundaries of my location in Google Earth, but I don't speak Russian or German.  Deciphering the map is not the easiest!  dburne, could you shed any light on the maps I speak of, are these part of the Moscow Map?  

 

-Woog

Edited August 13, 2018 by Woogey

[dburne]

Those are the free maps I believe . I really don't know much about where they would be located.

The paid maps would be ( in order of release)

Stalingrad

Moscow

Kuban

Bodenplatte( not yet available but can pre-order early access for planes as they release and eventually map).

 

Edit: But to answer your original question, no they would not be able to merge a Cliffs of Dover map with an IL-2 Great Battles map. Two different game engines/technologies.

Edited August 13, 2018 by dburne

[-SF-Disarray]

Velikie Luki is up by Moscow, though somewhat to the West. The battle fought there was part of the Operation Mars push in 42-43, Novosokolinki was part of that push as well. Lapino was part of the Stalingrad push, near modern day Volgagrad.

[RedKestrel]

4 minutes ago, Woogey said:

 

Honestly, I am not sure where in the world I am!  I am just trying to get my bearings at this point.  Having ONLY purchased Bodenplatte in Pre-Order, my map options in the UI single Player Quick Missions tab are these:  Velikie Luki (Winter), Novosokolniki (Winter), Lapino (Summer) (Autumn) and (Winter).  As a Newb, I like to familiarize myself with my surroundings as quickly as possible.  To that end, I am trying to map out the boundaries of my location in Google Earth, but I don't speak Russian or German.  Deciphering the map is not the easiest!  dburne, could you shed any light on the maps I speak of, are these part of the Moscow Map?  

 

-Woog

Those are free maps that come with early access, so if you dont buy other stuff you can still fly the planes

1 hour ago, Woogey said:

Good Day Gents,

 

Brand New to IL-2, the Battle of Bodenplatte reeled me in.  Hypothetically speaking, if 1cG were to make a new version of COD and call it BOB, and the map were to overlap the Bodenplatte area, would it be technically feasible to "Merge" the maps?  Has anyone made .kmz files for Google Earth covering the current map sets?  (BOS, BOM, BOK)

 

I could use a good Mentor/Flight lead if anyone would be willing?  

 

Sincerely, Preston "Woogey" Martin

BoBP is situated a bit far from the channel for that. It would be a hell of a huge map, and with the detailing they put in I'm not sure the game engine could take it. Even if you could load the map, populating it in a way to take advantage of its size would probably grind things to a halt.

As far as re-doing Battle of Britain, I don't think that one's in the cards. CloD has it pretty well covered, and with the two programs more or less under the same roof I'm doubtful they would want to compete with themselves. and the CloD map is made in a completely different engine so not sure there's any chance it could ever be 'ported'.

[RuneWoogey]

Interesting,  I would think that the new engine being 64 bit would be able to handle a merge type situation.  I for one would be a happy customer with a "New" BoB map working in the newer Game Engine.  I guess time will tell!        

[Gambit21]

64 bit is neither here nor there with regard to this.

[LukeFF]

One of the problems with such a large map is that the weather would be exactly the same across its whole expanse. 

[RuneWoogey]

I just made Google Earth .kmz files for all the existing "Great Battles" maps.  The .kmz file is not a supported format here on the forum, if anyone is interested in them you can PM me.  

 

-Woog 

[Herne]

Well I think it is an interesting question. Would I be right in thinking if you were attempting this you would need to to have an earth sized, or at least a portion of the earth sized base layer for the theatre in question. I think currently we have flat maps, but I really don't know too much about it.

 

What would be the best way to do it ?

 

I've never played xplane, but that's global isn't it ? anyone know how they do it ?

Edited August 14, 2018 by =FEW=Herne

[-SF-Disarray]

I think the real problem would be getting hardware that could run the map without exploding. A map of any great detail would likely kill even the most advanced gear if it had to be as big as is suggested. Then adding planes and all the associated physics, weather, ambient effects with the battles going on and such, bot controlled planes, the bot controlled gunners on bombers. The list goes on I imagine.

[Ribbon]

I think there is an engine limitation how big map can be so merging maps could be a problem.

Don't know anything about it but i think i heard it somewhere in DD's or comments from devs regarding Kuban map.

I might be wrong! 

Also it doesn't make sense to me merging maps, current ones are big enough to burn fuel and get bored doing distance level flight.

Map size i believe is also determined on the Battle of X, going far behind enemy lines in a said battle could be pointless due to lack of objectives and historical accuracy.

Also we still don't have refuel feature other than finish flight.

BoB is not planned in il2GB so far since it's available in CloD so merging it with BoBp map.......even i would love to see it one day, why not!

 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

OT question.  Is the Lapino map fictional?

[-SF-Disarray]

There is a town/village called Lapino down near Volgagrad; but some place names changed after the collapse of the Union so it could be someplace else (having no obvious ties to the Party I suspect this isn't the case though). I haven't been able to find much about it being involved in the battle there, just some off hand mentions of it. As well documented as that battle is in Western sources I'm sure someone knows of it, and if not in Western sources there will probably be some mention of it in Russian language sources. My search for these places wasn't so rigorous as it might have been; I had a bit of a day and there wasn't much time to look things up. I'll poke around and see what I can find today, if I can carve out the time.

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After some digging through Russian sources and some other Google poking I think I have found the answer, it didn't take near as long as I thought it might. AeroAce is right. While there is a Lapino near Volgagrad there are also Lapinos dotted around the former Soviet Union, mostly in Russia and Ukraine, one has even been incorporated into modern day Moscow. None of them seem to have been a site of significance in any battle. The in-game Lapino map appears to be a small section of the Stalingrad map with villages and towns dotted around it for flavor, the names of these seem to be made up and their placement is also likely fictional as well.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Disarray