Tiger Tank armor - weakspots

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In game PzIII with 50mm HE can kill Tiger?

[MiloMorai]

In real life the British 6pdr (57mm) killed Tigers.

 

6-pounder gunfire accounted for the first Tigers disabled in North Africa; two Tigers being incapacitated by towed 6 pounder AT Guns

[KatieLuna]

On 8/12/2018 at 10:41 PM, Crashbangwallop said:

Does using HE rounds have any effect, especially at longer ranges? I'm finding it impossible to touch a Tiger from distance in a T-34 - though quite chuffed at blowing one up by creeping around and shooting it in the back from about 5 metres. (Got killed by its mate about 5 seconds later though)

HE rounds should not be used against tanks, they cannot penetrate nearly enough armour as the tiger has, especially when considering the diameter of the shells you are firing (76mm)

[SAS_Storebror]

We have to separate this:

 

In real life, there's no use in firing HE rounds against armoured targets.

 

In IL-2 Great Battles, the Tank Damage Model has yet to be finished and at the time of writing this (Version 3.005 that is), firing HE rounds straight up front into Tigers is the way to kill them.

Not only that, it's even an outstanding successful way to kill them, as it takes 1-3 HE rounds only.

Distance doesn't matter in that case.

And: Yes, that's not the way it should be. Yet it's not really a "bug" as the devs have clearly stated that the damage model isn't finished.

 

Mike

[murkz]

A handy site for an idea of penetration of different tanks in ww2

 

WWIIEquipment

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Elephant Weak Spots ....

http://wio.ru/tank/damage/pam-f.htm

[Eicio]

On 9/19/2018 at 11:50 AM, TheTacticalCat said:

HE rounds should not be used against tanks, they cannot penetrate nearly enough armour as the tiger has, especially when considering the diameter of the shells you are firing (76mm)

 

HE round could not destroy the target but when your primary round won't scratch the paint of your ennemy HE isn't that bad of an idea since it'll have more chances to damage the tracks, sights, maybe the turret...

 

On 9/19/2018 at 11:56 AM, SAS_Storebror said:

We have to separate this:

 

In real life, there's no use in firing HE rounds against armoured targets.

 

That's why the su-152 were known, there were definitely uses of HE rounds against armored targets.

[SAS_Storebror]

According to the ammo table of the ML-20, I take it that in the Anti-Tank ambush role, the SU-152 used BR-540 APHE, BR-540B APBC of BP-540 HEAT rounds and not pure HE ones as those would be suitable for the howitzer role only.

 

Mike

[Eicio]

I don't know, the HE was able to obliterate any tank easily, why would you take a shell that could bounce or just don't penetrate ?

[Adler23FalkeAuge]

I've prepaid for Tank Crew but the only tank action I've been able to access are the SP missions I've downloaded.

I can drive Tigers but can't find a single mission that allows me to shoot at them.

[Eicio]

10 hours ago, Adler23FalkeAuge said:

I've prepaid for Tank Crew but the only tank action I've been able to access are the SP missions I've downloaded.

I can drive Tigers but can't find a single mission that allows me to shoot at them.

 

For now it's all early access yet, I believe that you have 2 custom missions one for the tiger and one for the KV-1s.

 

If you want to shoot a tiger I guess you could go for a quick mission builder, take a tank and set a tiger as the ennemy.

[BP_Lizard]

5 hours ago, Eicio said:

If you want to shoot a tiger I guess you could go for a quick mission builder, take a tank and set a tiger as the ennemy.

 

Currently, you can't do that with the Quick Mission Builder. Meaning, you can't select which enemy tank to fight unlike the airplanes. You can, however, make a mission using the full Mission Editor and select the Tiger as a static target. You cannot make it move, at the moment. At this stage in the early access, the Tiger is only operational as 'player' and not as an AI. 

[DetCord12B]

On 9/24/2018 at 9:17 PM, Adler23FalkeAuge said:

I've prepaid for Tank Crew but the only tank action I've been able to access are the SP missions I've downloaded.

I can drive Tigers but can't find a single mission that allows me to shoot at them.

 

 

[No.23_Starling]

Ok chaps, it’s 2022. What’s the best way to kill them now in the current DM state? My gunner and I only managed to kill one by getting 2m for its ass with APCR rounds which did the trick. Even rear aspect did nothing from above 100m

[No_Face]

@US103_Rummell Using which tank?
Otherwise, I think the best thing to do is to shoot it in the flank with the APHE at less than 500m. (in a fairly precise area, slightly above the tracks) and at 90°.

[No.23_Starling]

39 minutes ago, No_Face said:

@US103_Rummell Using which tank?
Otherwise, I think the best thing to do is to shoot it in the flank with the APHE at less than 500m. (in a fairly precise area, slightly above the tracks) and at 90°.

The KV1. I’ve been practicing with invincibility on quick mission and that seems the only way to get them. Hitting them from the rear at point blank will kill the engine too it seems. Man, this is an unbalanced match up!! I only ever seem to see Panthers on Tigers in MP which can’t be right.

What’s the best way to kill a Panther with the KV1?

[No_Face]

Shoot into the flank anywhere and the panther will explode.

[No.23_Starling]

Just now, No_Face said:

Shoot into the flank anywhere and the panther will explode.

With HE ammo? What range?

[No_Face]

With APHE, I tried 500 with the free T34. Maybe with a KV-1 you can destroy it from further away.

For the tiger, you can destroy it in one shot with the APCR in the back by aiming at a rather precise point (at 500m with the free T-34) but you need a little luck I think.

 

EDIT :I'll restart the game to make sure I'm not talking nonsense. ?

Edited February 13, 2022 by No_Face

[No.23_Starling]

29 minutes ago, No_Face said:

With APHE, I tried 500 with the free T34. Maybe with a KV-1 you can destroy it from further away.

For the tiger, you can destroy it in one shot with the APCR in the back by aiming at a rather precise point (at 500m with the free T-34) but you need a little luck I think.

 

EDIT :I'll restart the game to make sure I'm not talking nonsense. ?

What’s the precise point on the Tiger’s ass? 

[No_Face]

I put you some screenshots.

 

1. It caught fire in one shot.

 

2.The crew evacuated

 

3.On this one, the bottom shot had no effect but the top one set the tank on fire.

 

4. Again the crew evacuates.

 

 

 

You can also shoot between the 2 exhaust outlets (without aiming too high), the engine will tend to smoke but will not necessarily catch fire, so you will have to put some shot.

All the shots were made at 500m, at the APCR, with an angle of 90° (approximately) and with the T-34/76 STZ (1942) (the free tank)

 

[No.23_Starling]

Thanks for this. It looks like you’re aiming at the bottom left of the armour?

 

BTW I see that side HE round trick really can make a Tiger explode. Not easy to pull off in MP though 

[JG27_Steini]

19 hours ago, US103_Rummell said:

The KV1. I’ve been practicing with invincibility on quick mission and that seems the only way to get them. Hitting them from the rear at point blank will kill the engine too it seems. Man, this is an unbalanced match up!! I only ever seem to see Panthers on Tigers in MP which can’t be right.

What’s the best way to kill a Panther with the KV1?

 

The Panther is a paper tank from all sides, except front. 

[SCG_judgedeath3]

Although not realibly. 

to take out tiger in t-34:

shot it in the flank or rear at max 90 degrees, aim in the crew compartment max 500 meters away, same for the rear. 

Sherman can pen it further and at better angles. 600 meters. 
with the best ap round without he filler it can pen the front from 100 meters. 
 

su 122 can kill with 2-3 shots from any range depending on where you hit.

 

su 152 can one shot them all. 
 

panther is easier: side on it is 35-40mm anything will kill it there or rear. Avoid the front, or gamble on shot trap shot.

[No_Face]

In the game, a T-34 can even kill a panther or a tiger from the front at 500m and at 90°, yes yes... well ok, you need luck but it is possible. ?

 

Of course, doing this in a real solo mission or MP is something else. ?

Edited February 15, 2022 by No_Face