How to kill Sturmoviks?

[Jorge_S]

Flying BF-109Fs in career mode... is there any vulnerability to the IL-2? some spot that requires few hits to kill?

it is taking a little more than half my ammo to down a single one,

 

IL-2s just take it and keep going, should I stop when it is at "black smoke" status and wait for it to crash on its own?

 

maybe load the gunpods when the mission is to shot down incoming bombers?

 

 

[Voidhunger]

F2 or F4? Aim for the cockpit and the engine.

With F4 its not so hard to bring it down. True is that sometimes Il2 can withstand enormous punishment if you are not concentrating your fire into one spot.

[Jorge_S]

F2

so I need to change that 15mm gun I guess

[Dutchvdm]

Try to shoot off the tail control surfaces from an angle. Using the 20 mm and not the 15 mm does help with that. 

 

Grt M

[Thad]

Salutations,

 

Historically, the IL2 was a very durable craft. Often referred to as a flying tank. This is obviously been taken to heart by the developers. 

[Dakpilot]

As I understood gunpods were historically introduced on Eastern Front to deal with IL-2 's... 

So load em up if that is what mission target is

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[unreasonable]

If you come from above and the side and aim at the cockpit you have an excellent chance of setting the fuel tank on fire: if you hit.  But you should not be expecting to down multiple Sturmoviks in one sortie unless you are an extremely good shot.  Personally I find downing 2 to be very satisfactory.

[Luger1969]

Hi guys check this video by Bismarck

 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Dakpilot said:

As I understood gunpods were historically introduced on Eastern Front to deal with IL-2 's... 

So load em up if that is what mission target is

 

Very true. The Soviets ran some tests which showed the probability of downing an Il-2 went up dramatically when a 109 was armed with gunpods. So, take 'em if you got 'em.

[RedKestrel]

I've seen Il-2 pilots on here talk about the tail section being vulnerable...specifically, hits on the tail can apparently cause an uncontrollable nosedive if the control rods/cables/surfaces are destroyed or damaged, so that may be more productive than targeting the wings. Never experienced it myself, online I've had my wings clipped by 190s and 109s with relative ease though. 

[Dutchvdm]

39 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

I've seen Il-2 pilots on here talk about the tail section being vulnerable...specifically, hits on the tail can apparently cause an uncontrollable nosedive if the control rods/cables/surfaces are destroyed or damaged, so that may be more productive than targeting the wings. Never experienced it myself, online I've had my wings clipped by 190s and 109s with relative ease though. 

 

That’s true indeed. If attack it from a steep angle this is easy to replicate. Sheriff makes a mention of this on one of his latest youtube videos. 

 

Grt M

[Bundook]

Further to what "unreasonable" writes above; historically, Werner Mölders used to teach (in late 1941) that the spot to aim for on a Sturmovik was the unprotected top of the fuel tank right behind the cockpit. 

[Chief_Mouser]

On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 5:41 PM, RedKestrel said:

I've seen Il-2 pilots on here talk about the tail section being vulnerable...specifically, hits on the tail can apparently cause an uncontrollable nosedive if the control rods/cables/surfaces are destroyed or damaged,

 

This is the most common cause of my Il-2 going down online. All of a sudden, no control and hurtling towards the ground from a low altitude with no chance to bail out. Goodnight Vienna.

[Lusekofte]

Or you guys can show some patience and I will eventually fly into a tree 

[FTC_DerSheriff]

from an angle 25°-45° on the tail. Usually something breaks. Alternatively attack them when they are in a turn and go for the wings. if the shots land ontop of the wings they break very easily too.

[Chief_Mouser]

53 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

Or you guys can show some patience and I will eventually fly into a tree 

 

Actually, the easiest way to destroy a Sturmovik is to let Luse line up behind you on the runway...  he'll have your tail off with his prop within seconds!

[=OPFR=ColNinny]

See if my tutorials helps you: 

 

[D3adCZE]

If he had a gunner you would have been dead meat. If I may recommend, with MGs, go after his radiator on the bottom side and with cannon go for either wing root or tail controls. Just stay away from the gunner firing infamous Stalinium rounds.

[Ropalcz]

Long burst into wing or tail. Place as many cannon hits as you can.

Its actually pretty fragile

[=ARTOA=Bubi87]

Hartman said the easiest way was to go for the oil radiator.

Of course from max 50 meters with a good burst of MG and 20mil.No gunpods needed if you manage to do so. the problem is to manage to do so ?

[Blackhawk_FR]

26 minutes ago, =ARTOA=Bubi87 said:

Hartman said the easiest way was to go for the oil radiator.

Of course from max 50 meters with a good burst of MG and 20mil.No gunpods needed if you manage to do so. the problem is to manage to do so ?

 

The problem is also that it doesn't work that well in the game. The best weak point is, as it's already been said, the tail (control surfaces). 

 

Sure you need MG151/20 first.

Then, you need a concentrate and quite long precise shot. You have 2 choices: 

At close range from six, or a 90° deflexion shot (when they are turning at low speed after their pass).

[ITAF_Rani]

IMO a good blast in wing root..

Edited September 11, 2018 by ITAF_Rani

[Sgt_Joch]

They were vulnerable. I will have to find the exact quote, but there is a statistic in "War over the Steppes" that the average lifespan of a Il-2 crew in the summer of 1943 was a total of six(6) missions.

[Jorge_S]

Based on my poor accuracy, selecting gunpods is the wise option (single player campaign, when mission is to destroy attack aircraft)

 

related question: why there are no turret gunners in single player Battle of Moscow? I have played several missions and I haven't seen any

[LukeFF]

On 9/13/2018 at 10:49 AM, Jorge_S said:

related question: why there are no turret gunners in single player Battle of Moscow? I have played several missions and I haven't seen any

 

Because they didn't exist at that time.

[=FR=kgb613]

For me 4 ways to "kill" an IL-2

1: dive on him and espect to kill pilot or put gas tank in fire

2: clim below him and shoot its oil radiator

3: shoot a lots of shell in 1/3 of wing

4: shoot a lots of shell in the tail, expecting to destroy or block surface control

[Cybermat47]

I agree with shooting the tail. Very vulnerable position.

 

I haven’t had much success with the other quick methods, but I’m not the best shot.

 

On 8/8/2018 at 11:39 PM, Jorge_S said:

IL-2s just take it and keep going, should I stop when it is at "black smoke" status and wait for it to crash on its own?

 

My advice is to never do that with any aircraft if you’re in a position to finish it off. I’ve managed to get back to base in MP with a smoking engine, they can actually last a fair while if you know how to coax it. Never assume a plane is done for until the pilot bails out, is obviously trying to crash-land, or it’s in the ground.

Edited October 4, 2018 by Pb_Cybermat47