Are WWI biplanes good for learning acrobatics?

[Jorge_S]

I recently bought Flying Circus, more for curiosity about biplanes than any particular interest in WW1

 

Question is, are biplanes good for learning basic maneuvers? like loops, scissors, rolls,

or should I stick with WW2 planes?

[ZachariasX]

5 minutes ago, Jorge_S said:

I recently bought Flying Circus, more for curiosity about biplanes than any particular interest in WW1

 

Question is, are biplanes good for learning basic maneuvers? like loops, scissors, rolls,

or should I stick with WW2 planes?

 

Yes, go with WW2 rides. WW1 planes are notoriously difficult rides for performing clean aerobatics. Also IRL they are only certified for very few, basic maneuvers. (For good reason.) Take the Yak or the SpitV for that. 

 

But once you are good, you can show your colors in the Spad or Dr.I.

[unreasonable]

Have to disagree with Z here: in my experience WW1 planes are much better for learning because they have lower power - think of them as powered gliders.  So you have to be aware of your energy state throughout, since the engine will not be able to drag you up if you mess things up.  It is also easier to keep your energy state in mind because you are in an open cockpit.  

 

Most importantly, the aerobatics may be less clean, but they will be more fun in a biplane. (Or triplane). 

[ZachariasX]

In short: He should do it using all aircraft.

[BraveSirRobin]

In a Spad there is really only 1 maneuver that you need.  Dive to bounce enemy aircraft.  Or dive to run away from enemy aircraft.  Any other maneuvers will get you killed.

[AndyJWest]

If you want to do the sort of aerobatics that is seen in modern aircraft designed specifically for the job, there is nothing in BoX (or RoF) that will really do. There is a Su-26 'easter egg' in Cliffs of Dover (I assume it still works) though the flight model is a bit suspect. For just learning the basics of aerobatics, I'd say the Yaks were probably the best option. Relatively light, and with well-harmonised controls. They aren't designed for flick manoeuvres or sustained inverted flight though, so don't expect to be able to do a Lomcovak or an outside loop. 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Almost all aerobatics can be made with ww1 biplane ,aerobatics  were invented on them...

 

 

Edited August 7, 2018 by 307_Tomcat

[J2_Bidu]

2 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

In a Spad there is really only 1 maneuver that you need.  Dive to bounce enemy aircraft.  Or dive to run away from enemy aircraft.  Any other maneuvers will get you killed.

 

Wrong. You can also dive in the absence of any enemy aircraft. Aaaah - but then you'll find yourself low and possibly near enemy aircraft. And then you're dead! Seems like you were right after all.

[ZachariasX]

27 minutes ago, 307_Tomcat said:

Almost all aerobatics can be made with ww1 biplane ,aerobatics  were invented on them...

 

 

Ehm, no. At least not on real WW1 planes. For instance very, very few of them can perform straight aileron rolls. It is doubtful that you would do that in SPAD without actually performing a barrel roll (that is a different maneuver). You might actually kill your engine doing so. None of those crates can fly inverted. But it’s a basic maneuver. You don‘t want to spin most of them (if you really have one frag to give in a real aircraft).

 

What you can do is flying trajectories maintaining at least some positive g‘s. Passenger friendly maneuvers, basically. Still cool. But don‘t think you‘ll impress anyone besides people that are afraid of flying.

 

Aerobatics of today is not realy stunting and barnstorming. It is flying precise figures. Aerobatics evolved drastically with the capabilities of the aircraft.

 

FAA would never clear an Albatros D.V for general aerobatics, lest a Fokker E.III. But they might clear it for certain maneuvers (and forbid other maneuvers).

 

If you want a vintage biplane for aerobatics, get a Bücker or a Stearman. Or a Pitts. Especially on the later aerobatics was invented.

 

If you still think you can do aerobatics in WW1 crates, try this:

Spoiler

This is simple for todays standards. Not fearing for your well being in a sim... you might do some of it. Some.

[WWGriphos]

For aerobatics, get the new Yak 52 module for DCS.  

[Jorge_S]

I am looking for combat maneuvers, I think I got the idea that the 2 available WW1 planes won't be a good fit for what I want, maybe for diving?

 

so I guess the Yak-1 will be!

 

 

Edited August 7, 2018 by Jorge_S