JU-87 for Battle of Moscow?

[cripplehawk]

Any chance you gents will make a JU-87 (Possibly B-1) for the Moscow Campaign or is that out of the question.

[Godspeed]

I bet that it wont happen.

One thing i do not like in Moscow is the very low pool of different planes.

Maybe some day they make new premiums or something.

[Dutchvdm]

If the current Po-2 development cycle is successful, there might be a chance that more collector planes are going to be modeled (Not flight model) by third party's. I really hope this happens, but even then chances are that they want to focus on more obscure planes like the Li-2 and maybe a F-156. I don't see them coming back to make earlier models like the Ju-87 B2 or an very early Yak-1. Which is a shame, but understandable. 

 

Grt M

[303_Bies]

Maybe one day Barbarossa with I-153, DB-3, 1941 Yak-1, 1941 LaGG-3, early MiG-3, Ju-87B, Fi-156, Do-215, Romanian IAR-80, Finnish Gladiator?

There is plenty of interesting scenarios like early or late Pacific, North Africa, France 1940, Western Europe 1943 etc. but only limited capabilities. If we could "clone" the team we could have them all :):)

And now the team have to choose wisely considering many factors.

In some scenarios many planes require just changes (Bf109G-14, Bf109K-4, FW190A8) when others are being developed from scratch (Mustang, Thud, Tempest, Dora, Lighting, Schwalbe).

Anyway 3 games are being developed at once and there is something.

But the most important things, more important than new planes are new technologies - like new fuel management, jet engine mechanics, turbo superchargers, oxygen and so on.

Edited August 7, 2018 by bies

[Finkeren]

I have some hope, that in time they will hire a 3rd party developer solely for making different versions of existing aircraft, which could flesh out the plane sets and be sold either separately or in bundles.

 

That being said: 1941 - early 42 is woefully short on aircraft. Some entirely new models might be required.

 

Imagine some nice bundles of aircraft sold at maybe 1/3 the price of a full title:

 

”The biplane bundle”: Hs 123, I-153, CR. 42 

 

“The ground attacker bundle”: Su-2, Ju 87R, Ju 88C

 

”The Western bundle”: Hurricane Mk. II, P-40C, B-239

 

”The bomber bundle”: Do-217, DB-3, Tu-2

 

Come up with more by yourself. If enough people continue buying the products, the sky is limit.

[PatrickAWlson]

I would love to see the B, but in the interim I just use the D.  It's still a Stuka and the difference is not like Me109E7 to Me109K4.  

[Dutchvdm]

20 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

I would love to see the B, but in the interim I just use the D.  It's still a Stuka and the difference is not like Me109E7 to Me109K4.  

 

For some squadrons the transition to D1’s started in the beginning of 1942. So you are not way off. On the other hand. Some units where still using the B and R model during Stalingrad. 

 

Grt M

[sevenless]

49 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

I have some hope, that in time they will hire a 3rd party developer solely for making different versions of existing aircraft, which could flesh out the plane sets and be sold either separately or in bundles.

 

That being said: 1941 - early 42 is woefully short on aircraft. Some entirely new models might be required.

 

Imagine some nice bundles of aircraft sold at maybe 1/3 the price of a full title:

 

”The biplane bundle”: Hs 123, I-153, CR. 42 

 

“The ground attacker bundle”: Su-2, Ju 87R, Ju 88C

 

”The Western bundle”: Hurricane Mk. II, P-40C, B-239

 

”The bomber bundle”: Do-217, DB-3, Tu-2

 

Come up with more by yourself. If enough people continue buying the products, the sky is limit.

 

I really like that idea. Additionally they could add maps like Dubno, Smolensk or Leningrad, Murmansk, Charkov etc. so that you can start your career 22.June 1941 and then it might "branch" to the north, middle or south of the Front. 

[Herne]

Isn't the JU87 already in the moscow career ? It's just that I remember starting one, and I tend to mostly try to play through the moscow career, before I move on to stalingrad.

My trouble is my average life expectancy for one of my career pilots on either side is around 2 game weeks.

[cripplehawk]

47 minutes ago, =FEW=Herne said:

Isn't the JU87 already in the moscow career ? It's just that I remember starting one, and I tend to mostly try to play through the moscow career, before I move on to stalingrad.

My trouble is my average life expectancy for one of my career pilots on either side is around 2 game weeks.

 

No it does have the JU-88 (Bomber) and the JU-52 (Transport)

[sevenless]

Resurrection from the grave...

 

Found this quote. So it might be possible to integrate the Ju 87 D-1 into Battle of Moscow starting 01/42?

Better would be of course to have the R-2 as a collector right from the start at 10/41, but a D-1 from 01/42 would be better than having no Stuka at all?

 

Quote from page 107: 

 

 

[PatrickAWlson]

On 7/27/2021 at 7:08 PM, sevenless said:

Resurrection from the grave...

 

Found this quote. So it might be possible to integrate the Ju 87 D-1 into Battle of Moscow starting 01/42?

Better would be of course to have the R-2 as a collector right from the start at 10/41, but a D-1 from 01/42 would be better than having no Stuka at all?

 

 

 

I just use the Stuka that we have.  It's not like the performance is so outrageously better that it's out of place.  I also drop in the LaGG 3, which is considerably better than the LaGG that was available but still IMHO not as good as the MiG, so better off with than without.  Same with the Yak-1 Ser. 69.  I just keep them rare and mostly stock up on the I16,

Would love to see the Ju87 B.  To me that is the iconic Stuka.

[LukeFF]

On 7/27/2021 at 4:08 PM, sevenless said:

Resurrection from the grave...

 

Found this quote. So it might be possible to integrate the Ju 87 D-1 into Battle of Moscow starting 01/42?

Better would be of course to have the R-2 as a collector right from the start at 10/41, but a D-1 from 01/42 would be better than having no Stuka at all?

 

Were any of those units in the Moscow sector at that time?

[sevenless]

55 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Were any of those units in the Moscow sector at that time?

 

According to Christer Bergstrom BC/RS vol2, page 39, yes, two Stuka Gruppen with VIII Korps:

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by sevenless

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Would love to see the Ju87 B.  To me that is the iconic Stuka.

 

Yes. B or R, either will do the trick for the 1941 timeframe.

[Enceladus828]

5 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Would love to see the Ju87 B.  To me that is the iconic Stuka.

Yep, hopefully after BoN the devs will do Berlin, or Barbarossa and late 1943 Eastern Front in which the Ju-87B-2 would most likely be included… along with the IL-4 and possibly the Tu-2S or the SB-2.

 

Fingers crossed ? 

[PatrickAWlson]

34 minutes ago, Enceladus said:

Yep, hopefully after BoN the devs will do Berlin, or Barbarossa and late 1943 Eastern Front in which the Ju-87B-2 would most likely be included… along with the IL-4 and possibly the Tu-2S or the SB-2.

 

Fingers crossed ? 

 

I see it as a reasonably likely collectors plane that they could then add to the Moscow career.  If they do a full module in the east it will probably be Berlin to get in the late war Russian planes.

[Eisenfaustus]

5 hours ago, Enceladus said:

Yep, hopefully after BoN the devs will do Berlin, or Barbarossa and late 1943 Eastern Front in which the Ju-87B-2 would most likely be included… along with the IL-4 and possibly the Tu-2S or the SB-2.

 

Fingers crossed ? 

There is no sensible axis planeset for Barbarossa. And a Barbarossa map would have to be absurdly large because of the huge advances made during that offensive. 
 

And in a late war eastern front pack the Ju-87 B2 would be wrong - there a D5 would make sense. 

 

[Enceladus828]

9 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

There is no sensible axis planeset for Barbarossa...
 

And in a late war eastern front pack the Ju-87 B2 would be wrong - there a D5 would make sense. 

 

IL-2 Battle of Barbarossa planeset*

 

Allied                                                      Axis

Yak-1 early version                      Hs-123                          

I-153 or I-15bis                            Ju-87B-2

Tu-2S                                            He-111H-2

IL-4                                               Ju-87D-5

Collector                                             Collector

P-40B/C                                       Macchi C.200  

 

*Would cover Operation Barbarossa and the Soviet advance after the Battle of Kursk such as the Battle of Smolensk (1943). Planes from BoM and BoK + other collector planes can be used

 

 

[Eisenfaustus]

1 hour ago, Enceladus said:

 

IL-2 Battle of Barbarossa planeset*

 

Allied                                                      Axis

Yak-1 early version                      Hs-123                          

I-153 or I-15bis                            Ju-87B-2

Tu-2S                                            He-111H-2

IL-4                                               Ju-87D-5

Collector                                             Collector

P-40B/C                                       Macchi C.200  

 

*Would cover Operation Barbarossa and the Soviet advance after the Battle of Kursk such as the Battle of Smolensk (1943). Planes from BoM and BoK + other collector planes can be used

 

 

The Ju-87 D5 didn't exist yet during Barbarossa - and as there isn't any fighter included in the Axis plane set I hardly doubt this would sell well as a standalone...