Elevators issue

[ATA_Vasilij]

Hi all, 

 

I noticed diametrical difference on elevator damage model between russian and german planes.

If Russian plane has one halve cutted off, the plane is absolutely uncontrolable, flying is terrible difficult and when extended flaps, the plane is going directly down.

When german plane has one halve off, plane flies like normal, perharps faster, and when making sharp turns, it almost turns better!!!!

 

Any chance to fix this ? thanks.

[Voidhunger]

Hmm I have quite opposite experience. My plane turns like a pig with just one elevator and american and russian planes fight like nothing happens. Yesterday in kuban career i shot off elevator from airacobra and i thought its doomed. I was wrong , it switched to another gear and fought like crazy. I even saw madness in the pilot eyes.

I forgot to mention, pls fix it

[ATA_Vasilij]

you probably mean Bf109. vs Aircobra, dont know how they behave.

 

I was telling about FW190 vs I16, La5, Yak7

 

[Ropalcz]

28 minutes ago, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

Hi all, 

 

I noticed diametrical difference on elevator damage model between russian and german planes.

If Russian plane has one halve cutted off, the plane is absolutely uncontrolable, flying is terrible difficult and when extended flaps, the plane is going directly down.

When german plane has one halve off, plane flies like normal, perharps faster, and when making sharp turns, it almost turns better!!!!

 

Any chance to fix this ? thanks.

 

Well, 109´s falling off tail after a few hits and 110´s ability for uncontrollable dive after short burst into tail...

 

I would prefer blue tail gunners to be as accurate as a gunner in Peshka

Edited August 2, 2018 by Ropalcz

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

30 minutes ago, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

and when making sharp turns, it almost turns better!!!!

 

Just a quick comment on this - When half of the horizontal stabiliser is shot off a 109 - stabiliser adjustment is no longer possible and seems to be set to the 0 position.

Normal flight has the stabiliser set to -1 or -2 depending on the 109. This limits the ability for the plane to pull hard as you are fighting against the stabilizer keeping nose down.

When set to 0, the plane stabiliser is now assisting you rather than fighting against you.

 

As for the elevator not loosing effectiveness after half of the surface being removed from the plane - that I cant comment on, but I see this same phenomenon ocurring on both sides - with exception of the Spitfire. Due to the Spitfire design, it will loose control as soon as half of the stabiliser is removed.

Edited August 2, 2018 by =EXPEND=Tripwire

[F/JG300_Gruber]

1 hour ago, 3.IAP_Vasilij said:

Hi all, 

 

I noticed diametrical difference on elevator damage model between russian and german planes.

If Russian plane has one halve cutted off, the plane is absolutely uncontrolable, flying is terrible difficult and when extended flaps, the plane is going directly down.

When german plane has one halve off, plane flies like normal, perharps faster, and when making sharp turns, it almost turns better!!!!

 

Any chance to fix this ? thanks.

 

Feelings...

 

Facts are that any german plane will loose controllability with a half elevator and are more difficult to keep coordinated in sharp turns. From 190 to He111, No exceptions.

I've seen plenty of Russian kites still fighting relatively well with half elevators as well. 

Edited August 2, 2018 by F/JG300_Gruber

[HR_Tofolo]

Totally agree with Vasilij, most of the red planes are rendered almost uncontrollable (or directly go into an unrecoverable spin) whenever they lose one of their elevators. The 109s however can keep on turning with almost the same ability (although they lose the stabilizer trim control). 

 

 

[Yogiflight]

39 minutes ago, HR_Tofolo said:

The 109s however can keep on turning with almost the same ability (although they lose the stabilizer trim control). 

Pretty much LOL! In fact you even have to make a more shallow landing approach, as you don't have the ability to pull the nose up before touchdown and will crash on the runway with a default landing approach. And given, that AI has the same FM like players, russian aircrafts with one vertical stabilizer turn like hell (SP player here).

[E69_geramos109]

On my experience with 109s the usual is to lose all the elevators and the rudder with one hit there but when planets are aligned and you keep one elevator the plane turns faster at high speed (yes the fm is great hah) but the plane wobles as hell and is almos uncontrolable to aim etc. 

On the other side i have lost elevators with yaks and Las and I had 0 problems on controlability. Not the same story with spit that seems to fall with just one elevator. 

[YR-DAN55]

I would try to clarify the problem from an aerodynamic point of view, if you lose a command surface for example: the elevator is possible to fly but with difficulty, but if you lose the stabilizer the plane becomes uncontrollable. This is happening in reality, in the game there are possible miracles a brief explanation here

Edited August 2, 2018 by YR-DAN55

[ATA_Vasilij]

I was describing that situation when complete one halve of stabilizer is totaly out. (Stabilizer+elevator) Left, or right side. The second halve is OK.

 

Than the pull / push forces are strong and randomly changes quickly. I dont know whether this is corresponding to the reality. I would expect worse pitch inputs, and worse behave during turns (left or right). 

But these Up/Down forces are very wild and weird for me.

The same is with holes in the wing. The lift forces are also randomly changing Up down and I see it not realistic. Yes, bank angle is expected, with joystick shifted to the not affected side. But not up/down strange behave...

 

When flying russian planes the controllability is almost lost and impossible to land. 

But I saw, and not once, FW190 with the same damage, still flying, fighting, making sharp turns, and then landing...

 

Is that really about pilot skills?

[Thad]

The truth is.. whichever sides craft I fly, the other side is favored and has a unfair advantage, somehow.

 

That is until I start flying for the other side. Then, amazingly, the imagined craft bias seems to switch. ?

[Herne]

Would you expect the 109's long fuselage to be a factor in its stability with a horizontal stabiliser missing ?

 

I've taken 109's home with a missing horizontal stabiliser, but in most allied aircraft I have no chance, with the exception of the mig. I ground looped while taxi to runway I seem to remember, took off, but about 10 minutes into the flight the stabiliser fell off, I was able to put her safely back on the ground.

[YR-DAN55]

If there is 1/2 of the stabilizer and elevator, the elevator will behave like an aileron and in its movement the plane will rotate along with the rising and lowering of the nose.

As with V-tail airplanes, the same command surface acts as a rudder and elevator.

[kramer]

DD 131

65. MiG-3 elevator trimmer won't work if the right side of the elevator is lost (where trim tab is located).

[Cpt_Siddy]

mig 3 turns better with its elevator shot [edited]. 

Edited October 17, 2018 by SYN_Haashashin