German fighters

[wolfbojan189]

simple questions to ask..why  BFG6..f4 or fw a5 are underpowered..i mean russian planes are faster or same as germans.

Fw  in straight line should be faster(only rus LA is close)..

Bf have great performance...etc  Only and real  danger to fw and later bf6,g14 are rus...LA,SPITFIRE ..(later yak3,p51...which are not in sim now)

sometimes i feel like flying donkey ? There comes yak1 and no way that he can have same speed(only in dive) as my fw5..but he is on my 6 and close...

 anyway what are you think?  (sorry for bad english)

 

Edited July 31, 2018 by wolfbojan189

[Velxra]

*Sits back and ready to enjoy the show*

 

 

Firstly awesome video, and I all I wish to add is, that this will create a firestorm. I cant say I really disagree, but I know several threads have brought this issue up as well. So prepare for the usual "it's your fault" statements. I know in the past, threads were made asking about this and they all turned into a debate. Which turned into the thread being locked.

Edited July 31, 2018 by Geronimo553

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

I don't know how to say this, so I'm just going to blurt it out...   If you think the 109s and 190s are underperforming, you are flying them wrong.  I usually use Ally planes online but, I tried some Axis planes (109 F4 and G2) and thought to myself "OMG instant God Mode."   I made a hit and run attack on an enemy that was with 2 wingmen, destroyed him and simply ran away from the other two even though they were on the same heading as me before I passed them.  I didn't even have to throttle up to combat power.  That would have been suicide for almost all the Ally planes. Only the most skilled Ally pilots could pull it off.  And, here I am - a pilot of mediocre skill at best in a 109 F4, deciding the fate(s) of enemy pilots like deciding what to have for breakfast.  It's no wonder pilots that prefer Axis generally won't balance a team and fly Ally planes. 

[FTC_Riksen]

2 hours ago, wolfbojan189 said:

 anyway what are you think?  (sorry for bad english)

 

I think that you are probably just bad at it and don't read energies correctly. Both of these planes are vastly superior to the russian aircrafts in real life and in game, at least for the given time frame we currently have. With the exception of the 5FN, all others are slower ... Perhaps energy fighting is not your style and maybe you should give the more maneuverable planes a chance?

[BubiHUN]

A5 is faster only if you activate the boost ton full throttle. 

[Diggun]

I tend to find that whatever I am flying is a slow, mushy, unresponsive PoS with the Worlds Worst Visibility and approximately 1/1000th of a useful ammo load.

 

Conversely, whatever the enemy are in are obviously overpowered uberplanes.

 

The weird thing is, this holds true whatever aircraft i am flying.... Could the weak link perhaps exist between keyboard and chair?

[Herne]

The FW is the fastest thing on the deck in this game . . . I think that's currently still the case, but the MP starts to fall off relatively quickly with a little altitude. I think it has very good performance at high and low altitude, but not so much at altitudes between about 1.5 and 2.5 k

 

[sevenless]

I love those Focke-Wulf fokkers. All of them! Great boom&zoom planes and hard to match weaponry. Those 4 cannons kill really quick and I have yet to see a plane in the game that is capable to run away and outrace the fokkin butcher bird.  

[wolfbojan189]

i'm not saying that i am bad or good in sim..online there much more better players,depends on time in sim.

somewhere here i read that fw8 is not fighter,yes is not pure fighter but it is dead role for allies planes...depends on variants.

For me Bf f4,fw3,5,8 are best planes but after meny hours,d,y still got that feeling..something is wrong.

[Herne]

It really depends on the circumstances. Try pressing ctrl R to record your tracks, which you can later view through the flight recorder. It will help you see watching the replay, if you made any mistakes, or if your enemy started the engagement with an energy advantage.

[Talon_]

2 hours ago, =FEW=Herne said:

The FW is the fastest thing on the deck in this game . . . I think that's currently still the case, but the MP starts to fall off relatively quickly with a little altitude. I think it has very good performance at high and low altitude, but not so much at altitudes between about 1.5 and 2.5 k

 

 

The FN is very slightly faster on the deck if you close the cowls and oil radiator. Conversely if the A-5 forgets to close his gills the FN is much faster even without its own radiator closed.

[RedKestrel]

The G6 is the heaviest of the 109s IIRC and its not surprising it feels underpowered compared to the F2, F4 etc. It is also I think more optimized for higher altitudes so deck races have slimmer advantages than earlier 109s. However it is still very fast. The FW-190s are fast as hell but burn energy very quickly and are not great climbers, they are different beasts. IMO the FW flown right is borderline untouchable, BUT may be the hardest fighter in the game to fly correctly. Watch Sheriff's videos on youtube, he flies the FW the way it was meant to be. Even before the flight model update that corrected some problems, he was annihilating Russian fighters in the FWs. 

 

The Luftwaffe fighters are universally very fast, almost always faster than Russian (exception, La-5FN and the MiG-3 at high altitude sometimes). The problem is that they are only faster if flown right and you are careful with your speed and energy. A Russian fighter with higher E than you will still catch you. If you try and dive away from a Yak when he is in gun range, he will stay in gun range for quite some time before you achieve separation. If you start turning with a Russian fighter he can cut the corner and gain on you even if you're faster, and with a FW you will lose energy in a turn faster. 

FWIW I think the Luftwaffe planes hold a lot of cards in a fight - they are faster, better divers, often better climbers, and in the case of the 109s, still quite excellent turners at the correct speeds. But they are also much harder to fly correctly to get the most out of them. So your feeling that something is wrong maybe has to do with the difficulty in achieving the plane's potential.

I do know that I have never caught a 109 of any description in a full throttle straight line chase except with the MiG, on full boost, against an F2 or E7. All the rest just pull away from me. But if he turns or tries to climb too steep, I can often catch them.

 

45 minutes ago, Talon_ said:

 

The FN is very slightly faster on the deck if you close the cowls and oil radiator. Conversely if the A-5 forgets to close his gills the FN is much faster even without its own radiator closed.

IIRC, between 2 and 4K the FW's supercharger performs poorly, so there is a performance gap at those altitudes.

[FTC_DerSheriff]

You could write for ages about the topic. But in a 42 setting you rofl stomp everything in a german plane. They are faster, they are climbing faster, they out accelerate russian planes.
There are small niches where the russian planes are faster. The La-5 is faster than 109s below 3k and is about as fast as a 190 A-3 on combat power. As soon as the 190 opens up the throttle to E-Power the La-5 is in the dust.

A yak1b is a bit faster than a 109 F-4 on combat power on the deck. On all other alts the 109s are faster, and the advantage increases with alitude.

Skilled pilots know all that stuff and they try to lure the german fighters into situations where they can exploit those little advantages they have. Or they use energy to fill the performance gap. When a 109 pilot is catched on high alts by yaks it is because of the following reasons:
The Yak had energy
The 109 pilot was not throttling up quickly enough, was not using the aircrafts potential. (use that minute you have)
The 109 panics and turns around and the yak can cut corners.

But thats about it.
 

Edited July 31, 2018 by DerSheriff

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

From what I've observed - in both IL2 '46 and BoX series - 109s and 190s are not exactly quick to build energy but once they do, look out!  If you treat them gently and get to a good altitude, then don't overdo it with heavy turning in a fight, they don't lose the immense amount of energy they have in reserve.  Until you're used to how they fly, avoid aerobatics and try for high speed, shallow-dive, hit-and-run, shallow-climb out, attacks. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

11 hours ago, wolfbojan189 said:

simple questions to ask..why  BFG6..f4 or fw a5 are underpowered..i mean russian planes are faster or same as germans.

Fw  in straight line should be faster(only rus LA is close)..

Bf have great performance...etc  Only and real  danger to fw and later bf6,g14 are rus...LA,SPITFIRE ..(later yak3,p51...which are not in sim now)

sometimes i feel like flying donkey ? There comes yak1 and no way that he can have same speed(only in dive) as my fw5..but he is on my 6 and close...

 anyway what are you think?  (sorry for bad english)

 

There's lots of things to consider for speed on various aircraft. A lot of folks underestimate certain types of aircraft based on a kind of generic historical reputation but the reality tends to be a lot more nuanced. German planes aren't all faster than Russian planes at all altitudes although some of them are. The details of the encounter matter quite a lot from the altitude to the relative energy states of the two aircraft.

 

Han from the developer team keeps this thread up-to-date with performance details of each aircraft including engine modes and the like.

 

 

If we compare, based on those states, two popular types (the Bf109F-4 and the Yak-1B Series 127 which historically wouldn't have had much overlap but do all the time in multiplayer) things get pretty interesting.

 

Yak-1B Series 127 at sea level: 530 km/h

Bf109F-4 at sea level: 522 km/h

 

Yak-1B Series 127 at 2000m: 567 km/h

Bf109F-4 at 2000m: 570 km/h

 

Yak-1B Series 127 at 4500m: 600 km/h

Bf109F-4 at 6000m: 635 km/h

 

The last comparison doesn't have an exact match and you'd have to test in-game to get the rest of the in between values but the Yak-1B has its fastest speed at 4500m and looses power. The Bf109F-4 goes for another 1500 meters and is 35km/h faster than the Yak-1Bs best speed at that altitude. So in a common match between popular aircraft its clear, at least to me, that these two have essentially the same top speeds from sea level up to around 4000-5000 meters at which point the Bf109s superior high altitude performance allows it to reign supreme.

 

Climb rates are also only 2-3m/s different (in favour of the Bf109F-4) which is so close over a close in combat situation as to be minimal at low and medium altitudes.

 

By all rights, the Yak-1B was an excellent and well evolved 1943 variation of the Yak-1 series and the Bf109F-4 was one of the best balance of handling and performing Bf109s before extra weight started being added on. These two are so close in the big performance variables that it then comes down to the nuances in performance between the two of them and ultimately: in the performance and tactics of the pilot over the aircraft.

 

There's plenty you can do to try and get the most out of your aircraft. If you let us know how things are going and what troubles you're having we can try and point you to helpful guides and tips on how better to fly and fight in your chosen aircraft. That is always the thing that matters most. The human element

[SYN_Haashashin]

8 hours ago, wolfbojan189 said:

i'm not saying that i am bad or good in sim..online there much more better players,depends on time in sim.

somewhere here i read that fw8 is not fighter,yes is not pure fighter but it is dead role for allies planes...depends on variants.

For me Bf f4,fw3,5,8 are best planes but after meny hours,d,y still got that feeling..something is wrong.

 

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