Frustrated as hell with this game

[MasserME262]

Hello eveyone,

 

This is my first post on the forums so sorry for any mistakes made. Also my english is not perfect so sorry for that too.

 

Well the point is, Im a noob as a fighter. Cant join multiplayer, because my enemy ripp me off before I could even spot them.

 

So multiplayer is no way an option for me.

 

So I said to myself: "Ok, lets practice against AI. The day you can fight against AI, full realism mode one, no markers on map, etc etc, and you beat them, then you are ready for MP".

 

Good. So I set a quick mission, on a 109G2, against a Yak-1 on ace pilot difficulty. Start the mission from the ground (as in MP server I tried to play), against an already airborn plane (2000 M alttitude).

I dont have any trouble in take-off, landing, etc. But finally when I encounter my enemy, then the nightmare and the reason of my rage-post starts: THE AI IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT (for me).

No matter what I do, no matter what I try, the goddamned AI plane gonna always, ALWAYS keep my 6. I read on some forums that I should climb while turning, thats a good tactic against AI. Bull****. I can climb up to 8K altitude, but the damned plane just will never stall, never damage its engine, never nothing. Just pure perfect uber capabilities and ability of the pilot in flying.

 

When, IDK how in the earth, I can manage to reach my enemy AI's 6, then when Im about to shot, he just breaks incredibly well, knowing perfectly when Im about to shot. I dont follow him in the dive, since my bad-ugly-G2 cant do anything better than the Uber Almigthy Yak-1 (which engine never ever overheats). Instead, I maintain altitude and energy, and try top repeat the process (reach his 6).

 

Well, idk what to do and I dont even know how to ask for help properly due my bad english skills, just raging in the forums.

 

So, can anyone link me a video with a G2 fightint some Yak1, ace difficulty, full realism mode? I cant even believe someone is able to do that... he must be a god.

 

PS: I can beat my enemies in easy difficulty, but average or higher pilot difficulty, I cant anymore.

 

PS2: Maybe I just leave fighters forever and just fly the Hs129. But I dont know, dont want to give up -yet-.

 

Thanks and sorry for the wall-text.

[JtD]

Welcome to the game and the forum! One day you'll look back at this post and see how far you've come since you've started. :)

 

As for your point, I don't have a video that could help you. But seriously, the Yak-1 is a darn hard enemy for a Bf109G2. AI is stupid, but it has some amazing abilities that make offline play very annoying. My recommendation would be you try against an easier enemy first. Give it an Il-2 without a rear gunner, if you find that too easy, give it a LaGG-3 and when that's easy, go back to the Yak-1.

 

The Yak-1 is on par with you in terms of performance up to about 5km, and only very gradually falls off. Nothing the AI couldn't deal with. Try flying fast and level at 6-7km, and when you've separated enough, turn around, avoid the head to head (AI will sniper kill you anyway) and then zoom up steeply until you stall. The AI will stall out below you. Now you're in the better position, make it count.

Edited July 29, 2018 by JtD

[Thad]

I suggest you not fixate on the G2. Have you tried other German fighters? F4 perhaps?

 

But after all if it wasn't challenging it wouldn't be as fun when one wins a dogfight.

[Gambit21]

Masser - keep at, it will click eventually.

 

[Velxra]

It's all in the approach and yes the AI knows how to perfectly turn every time. In MP a good strategy is to keep an eye on the target and turn the opposite direction while gaining altitude. Then when your enemy turns around to follow they lose speed and will need to descend to regain energy. This will be the time to swing around and take them out.  Just remember if you follow your enemy you are playing by their rules and you give up your own energy advantage to stay on par with them.

 

However all that I have said above applies to energy fighters and not turn fighters. Turning fighting is another ball game, though the concepts of retaining energy are the same. Stick to it and you'll improve. It took me months of practice with joystick/throttle/pedal refinements to finally become proficient. Though I am far from the best.

 

Also fight against the WW1 planes on the lowest skill setting instead. It's much easier to practice on them!! 

Edited July 29, 2018 by Geronimo553

[IVJG4-Knight]

The AI is something you feed to the 109G2.I'll make a video if i have time.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Its about practice.

 

Rather than throwing yourself into scenarios that are at the moment too difficult to overcome, work your way up to them.

Sounds like you have general flight sorted, so that's step one. Step two, work on your gunnery. Set that AI back down, and make sure you have time to practice leading and following their evasive maneuvers. 

 

Once that is sorted, then step 3, work on your defense. The AI in ACE can be a good shot, but for the most part is absolutely terrible in a dogfight. You can force them to overshoot, they don't climb so well etc, but there is no one tip that is going to fix this for you instantly other than keeping at it, and not getting so frustrated that you give up. Fly to your planes strengths. Yes, the 109 will outclimb a yak, but you can't just point the nose at the sky and instantly get away.  You need to be aware of your separation, and the energy state of the other plane. No point trying a hard climb if they are close to you and have an energy advantage as that will likely result in being shot down. All this takes practice, and accepting that at first, you will be shot down. A LOT. Eventually things start to come together and the enemy starts to feel the pain instead - and at this point you start to feel some of the rewards from the hard working getting to that point.

 

Don't be too scared of multiplayer. There are some absolutely brilliant pilots online, many with 10-15 years of experience. But there are others like yourself as well. Get yourself on voice communications, and fly with others.  You can be an ace pilot, but when you are outnumbered and alone, most of the time you are just on borrowed time.

 

 

[Psyrion]

Keep at it and you will laugh at the AI. Good luck 

[Heckpupper]

I'd start with saying that if you have trouble beating AI at ACE difficulty, try lowering the difficulty. The AI usually just flies in circles so you should just for speed and loop on top of it.

Also, it's alright to suck in air combat when you're new to it. It's unbelievably complex and takes ages to get decent. You will, just keep learning.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Just looking at your Online Wings of liberty stats this month, to be fair - both pilots that shot you down are quite experienced.

The boot will one day be on the other foot and you will get to do the butt kicking. But not if you get too frustrated to the point of giving up.  Keep at it and hope to see you in the skies!

 

Edited July 29, 2018 by =EXPEND=Tripwire

[BB5000]

Barrel rolls and sideslips could make the E/A overshoot and end up in your sights..flying real low usually keeps them from firing as well

[blitze]

Are you also adjusting trim in the 109G2 and / or using some flaps when you go up against the Yak 1?

 

If you look to the lower left on your 109 cockpit you will see the trim which is usually set to 1.  For combat and ground strafing I usually change it to 0.

 

When engaging most VVS with the 109 I will go high after a pass and then look to see where they are going and work out the next pass from there.  I find flaps deployed at 20% down will help keeping on their tail and in the G2 you can go balls to the wall with the throttle and not worry about blowing your engine.  If after a couple turns I have not damaged the opponent, I retract flaps go high and re-asses the situation.  Usually checking my 6 to be sure nothing has latched onto me but this is a career / online thing.

 

On a moderate sized computer monitor it can be very hard to keep track of your opponent on full real.  VR and TV screens are easier.  Take your time and enjoy.  It takes time.

[Ehret]

Just now, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

PS: I can beat my enemies in easy difficulty, but average or higher pilot difficulty, I cant anymore.

 

PS2: Maybe I just leave fighters forever and just fly the Hs129. But I dont know, dont want to give up -yet-.

 

Reconsider your approach - if survival is problematic try "hit and run" tactics. Bounce at high speed, do not reverse and run towards safety. Then re-climb and repeat. The 190 is particularly good at that.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I would recommend that you set the fight up so that you are above to begin with. Once you get used to being on the offensive practice practice defence. 

 

If you are are defensive even in the best of planes it is still hard to turn things around. 

 

 

[Gamington]

Maybee you are just having a bad day im pretty new to full realism like Ive been doing it a week without the markers. And I have dabbled in it before on and off now though im not going back. Sometimes I notice if I lose my patients I do not shoot as good. 

[MasserME262]

43 minutes ago, JtD said:

Welcome to the game and the forum! One day you'll look back at this post and see how far you've come since you've started.

 

As for your point, I don't have a video that could help you. But seriously, the Yak-1 is a darn hard enemy for a Bf109G2. AI is stupid, but it has some amazing abilities that make offline play very annoying. My recommendation would be you try against an easier enemy first. Give it an Il-2 without a rear gunner, if you find that too easy, give it a LaGG-3 and when that's easy, go back to the Yak-1.

 

The Yak-1 is on par with you in terms of performance up to about 5km, and only very gradually falls off. Nothing the AI couldn't deal with. Try flying fast and level at 6-7km, and when you've separated enough, turn around, avoid the head to head (AI will sniper kill you anyway) and then zoom up steeply until you stall. The AI will stall out below you. Now you're in the better position, make it count.

Just did what you said. Tried a fight against LaGG-3, but novice pilot, won without much effort or difficulty. I gonna try with higher AI pilot difficulty.

 

42 minutes ago, Thad said:

I suggest you not fixate on the G2. Have you tried other German fighters? F4 perhaps?

 

But after all if it wasn't challenging it wouldn't be as fun when one wins a dogfight.

Tried the 190 A3, its easier for me (I think I can exploits its strengths better than a 109), but still difficult. I know, I dont want to shot down enemies easily (as I can do against novice AI pilots), all I want is a point in-between "easy" and "impossible" (impossible for me, lol)

 

33 minutes ago, IVJG4-Knight said:

The AI is something you feed to the 109G2.I'll make a video if i have time.

Would be really grateful.

 

32 minutes ago, =EXPEND=Tripwire said:

Its about practice.

 

Rather than throwing yourself into scenarios that are at the moment too difficult to overcome, work your way up to them.

Sounds like you have general flight sorted, so that's step one. Step two, work on your gunnery. Set that AI back down, and make sure you have time to practice leading and following their evasive maneuvers. 

 

Once that is sorted, then step 3, work on your defense. The AI in ACE can be a good shot, but for the most part is absolutely terrible in a dogfight. You can force them to overshoot, they don't climb so well etc, but there is no one tip that is going to fix this for you instantly other than keeping at it, and not getting so frustrated that you give up. Fly to your planes strengths. Yes, the 109 will outclimb a yak, but you can't just point the nose at the sky and instantly get away.  You need to be aware of your separation, and the energy state of the other plane. No point trying a hard climb if they are close to you and have an energy advantage as that will likely result in being shot down. All this takes practice, and accepting that at first, you will be shot down. A LOT. Eventually things start to come together and the enemy starts to feel the pain instead - and at this point you start to feel some of the rewards from the hard working getting to that point.

 

Don't be too scared of multiplayer. There are some absolutely brilliant pilots online, many with 10-15 years of experience. But there are others like yourself as well. Get yourself on voice communications, and fly with others.  You can be an ace pilot, but when you are outnumbered and alone, most of the time you are just on borrowed time.

 

 

Yeah I sorted the general flight (still need to improve, tho). This is not my first time in a sim (played 1946 a lot, which was a pain in the *** when talking about AI, too), and civilian sims as well. The problem with MP, I think, its all about confidence, which I still dont have when flying figthers. But gonna try.

 

11 minutes ago, blitze said:

Are you also adjusting trim in the 109G2 and / or using some flaps when you go up against the Yak 1?

 

If you look to the lower left on your 109 cockpit you will see the trim which is usually set to 1.  For combat and ground strafing I usually change it to 0.

 

When engaging most VVS with the 109 I will go high after a pass and then look to see where they are going and work out the next pass from there.  I find flaps deployed at 20% down will help keeping on their tail and in the G2 you can go balls to the wall with the throttle and not worry about blowing your engine.  If after a couple turns I have not damaged the opponent, I retract flaps go high and re-asses the situation.  Usually checking my 6 to be sure nothing has latched onto me but this is a career / online thing.

 

On a moderate sized computer monitor it can be very hard to keep track of your opponent on full real.  VR and TV screens are easier.  Take your time and enjoy.  It takes time.

Im trimming the plane (trim for pitch), IDK trim are you talking about (set to 0 or 1)? 0.0

 

9 minutes ago, Ehret said:

 

Reconsider your approach - if survival is problematic try "hit and run" tactics. Bounce at high speed, do not reverse and run towards safety. Then re-climb and repeat. The 190 is particularly good at that.

Agree, 190 has an energy retention capabilities that just make me love it.

 

 

 

Thanks for everyone's input, I already have seen reading previous posts that this is a nice and not toxic community, and now I can check that I wasnt wrong. Thanks and gonna try to keep improving with your help.

[Legioneod]

If you ever ant someone to fly with just pm me or add me on steam. My friends and I can help you out and show you a thing or two.

 

Are you using any type of tracker? Like trackir or VR?

[MasserME262]

1 minute ago, Legioneod said:

If you ever ant someone to fly with just pm me or add me on steam. My friends and I can help you out and show you a thing or two.

 

Are you using any type of tracker? Like trackir or VR?

Oh.. about trackers and equipment... well.. I must admit Im kinda lacking of everything lol.

 

I dont have a stick, I use the Saitek's yoke (lol), use left/right mouse buttons as rudders, and mouse movement for head movement. I want to get some new equipment but well... echonomy doesnt allow me to do so yet.

How do I find you in steam? Thanks for your help 

[Godspeed]

I think AI is too easy to beat on Expert and AI set to Ace.

It needs overhaul.

 

Career needs difficulty option both sides Ace only.

 

When you learn to fly you will not think like you are thinking now.

Edited July 29, 2018 by Godspeed

[IVJG4-Knight]

1 hour ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Hello eveyone,

 

This is my first post on the forums so sorry for any mistakes made. Also my english is not perfect so sorry for that too.

 

Well the point is, Im a noob as a fighter. Cant join multiplayer, because my enemy ripp me off before I could even spot them.

 

So multiplayer is no way an option for me.

 

So I said to myself: "Ok, lets practice against AI. The day you can fight against AI, full realism mode one, no markers on map, etc etc, and you beat them, then you are ready for MP".

 

Good. So I set a quick mission, on a 109G2, against a Yak-1 on ace pilot difficulty. Start the mission from the ground (as in MP server I tried to play), against an already airborn plane (2000 M alttitude).

I dont have any trouble in take-off, landing, etc. But finally when I encounter my enemy, then the nightmare and the reason of my rage-post starts: THE AI IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT (for me).

No matter what I do, no matter what I try, the goddamned AI plane gonna always, ALWAYS keep my 6. I read on some forums that I should climb while turning, thats a good tactic against AI. Bull****. I can climb up to 8K altitude, but the damned plane just will never stall, never damage its engine, never nothing. Just pure perfect uber capabilities and ability of the pilot in flying.

 

When, IDK how in the earth, I can manage to reach my enemy AI's 6, then when Im about to shot, he just breaks incredibly well, knowing perfectly when Im about to shot. I dont follow him in the dive, since my bad-ugly-G2 cant do anything better than the Uber Almigthy Yak-1 (which engine never ever overheats). Instead, I maintain altitude and energy, and try top repeat the process (reach his 6).

 

Well, idk what to do and I dont even know how to ask for help properly due my bad english skills, just raging in the forums.

 

So, can anyone link me a video with a G2 fightint some Yak1, ace difficulty, full realism mode? I cant even believe someone is able to do that... he must be a god.

 

PS: I can beat my enemies in easy difficulty, but average or higher pilot difficulty, I cant anymore.

 

PS2: Maybe I just leave fighters forever and just fly the Hs129. But I dont know, dont want to give up -yet-.

 

Thanks and sorry for the wall-text.

 

This is just the fastest way i do it :

 

https://youtu.be/Iu8lwiOVLaE

Edited July 29, 2018 by IVJG4-Knight

[Legioneod]

3 minutes ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Oh.. about trackers and equipment... well.. I must admit Im kinda lacking of everything lol.

 

I dont have a stick, I use the Saitek's yoke (lol), use left/right mouse buttons as rudders, and mouse movement for head movement. I want to get some new equipment but well... echonomy doesnt allow me to do so yet.

How do I find you in steam? Thanks for your help 

A yoke aint bad (it'll fit perfectly with the P-38) but I'd recommend getting rudder pedals and then track-ir next.

 

We can always hop on berloga and do some training and stuff whenever my friend gets on, if you are still on.

Here's my steam profile if you want to add me: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198012600268/

 

 

[MasserME262]

5 minutes ago, Godspeed said:

I think AI is too easy to beat on Expert and AI set to Ace.

It needs overhaul.

 

Career needs difficulty option both sides Ace only.

 

When you learn to fly you will not think like you are thinking now.

Yeah, need to keep improving my flight skills. Maybe when I master them, the kills comes alone. 

 

4 minutes ago, IVJG4-Knight said:

 

This is just the fastest way i do it :

 

https://youtu.be/Iu8lwiOVLaE

Thanks man, that looks so simple, yet difficult for me lol. Gonna try it.

[IVJG4-Knight]

5 minutes ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Yeah, need to keep improving my flight skills. Maybe when I master them, the kills comes alone. 

 

Thanks man, that looks so simple, yet difficult for me lol. Gonna try it.

 

Takes practice .I don't really play much now but i did play for hundreds of hours some years ago .First you should attack with altitude advantage. and master that.

I started doing this move first time in DCS jet duels. Everybody turned after the merge .So i tried turning before and i surprised a few players.

 

 

 

Edited July 29, 2018 by IVJG4-Knight

[Guest deleted@83466]

If the game were easy, and you could just load it up, and be an instant Ace, it wouldn't be much fun, or have much staying power, would it?  Starting out terrible, and then having the satisfaction of seeing yourself improve is the best part of the game.

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Hello eveyone,

 

This is my first post on the forums so sorry for any mistakes made. Also my english is not perfect so sorry for that too.

 

Well the point is, Im a noob as a fighter. Cant join multiplayer, because my enemy ripp me off before I could even spot them.

 

So multiplayer is no way an option for me.

 

So I said to myself: "Ok, lets practice against AI. The day you can fight against AI, full realism mode one, no markers on map, etc etc, and you beat them, then you are ready for MP".

 

Good. So I set a quick mission, on a 109G2, against a Yak-1 on ace pilot difficulty. Start the mission from the ground (as in MP server I tried to play), against an already airborn plane (2000 M alttitude).

I dont have any trouble in take-off, landing, etc. But finally when I encounter my enemy, then the nightmare and the reason of my rage-post starts: THE AI IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT (for me).

No matter what I do, no matter what I try, the goddamned AI plane gonna always, ALWAYS keep my 6. I read on some forums that I should climb while turning, thats a good tactic against AI. Bull****. I can climb up to 8K altitude, but the damned plane just will never stall, never damage its engine, never nothing. Just pure perfect uber capabilities and ability of the pilot in flying.

 

When, IDK how in the earth, I can manage to reach my enemy AI's 6, then when Im about to shot, he just breaks incredibly well, knowing perfectly when Im about to shot. I dont follow him in the dive, since my bad-ugly-G2 cant do anything better than the Uber Almigthy Yak-1 (which engine never ever overheats). Instead, I maintain altitude and energy, and try top repeat the process (reach his 6).

 

Well, idk what to do and I dont even know how to ask for help properly due my bad english skills, just raging in the forums.

 

So, can anyone link me a video with a G2 fightint some Yak1, ace difficulty, full realism mode? I cant even believe someone is able to do that... he must be a god.

 

PS: I can beat my enemies in easy difficulty, but average or higher pilot difficulty, I cant anymore.

 

PS2: Maybe I just leave fighters forever and just fly the Hs129. But I dont know, dont want to give up -yet-.

 

Thanks and sorry for the wall-text.

 

Phew, there's a lot there but I'll try and help and send some links to some other materials too.

 

First, its important to take the specific aircraft out of the equation. There's the age old the photographer should never blame his camera for a bad photo and the workman should never blame bad tools for a bad craftmanship. If you're relatively new to sims or flying in general (and even if your not), its important to really get the basics of flight out of the way first. You've got takeoffs and landings going so that helps quite a lot. I'd also recommend just taking your preferred aircraft (Bf109G-2 if you prefer) out for a solo flight and just fly it. Fly it straight, do loops, do stalls, do a wing over, fly under a bridge, dodge some trees, fly it in an ugly way and then try and smooth out the ugliness so that you are in complete control of the aircraft.

 

The way you fly and how you handle the aircraft plays a much bigger role than you may think. I used to do some online air racing in the older IL-2 and I found that, even in situations where we all had the same plane, same configuration, etc. there were some pilots who were just faster. How is that? Are they cheating? No. Just better on the stick. It's a combination of deliberate maneuvering and smoothness at the same time. Every time you move the controls you're affecting how the plane flies and the difference between two pilots can be huge.

 

Now, the AI in IL-2 has something that we haven't really seen in other sims. They fly with the same physics set that you do. The original IL-2 doesn't do that and neither does DCS. So while the AI here is VERY good at managing their flying and they fly pretty smoothly these days, they aren't cheating physics or engine modeling.

 

I would recommend SimHQ's guide on BFM (basic flight maneuvers): http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_004a.html

 

I'd also recommend Gridiron's 'Enter Level Decision Making' video... Which is from the perspective of a Yak pilot but it's pretty universal. 

 

 

As for the challenge of 1v1 Bf109G-2 vs Yak-1B.... I just did it. It's not impossible. But it does take practice.

 

First, due to the artificial nature of a short 1v1 I decided the best technique was a slight 5 degree nose down and ramp up my power to full throttle as the cruise speed on start of a 1v1 is lower than I typically go into combat with. Punching through 400kph at the merge, I rolled into his turn and he rolled into mine. It's at this point that I lost sight of him and I went slightly nose high (15 degrees) into a wide climbing turn. Two reasons for this, one, I want to re-establish sight on him, and two I want to take some of that speed that I got with the slight dive and convert it to altitude.

 

Next, I spotted him off my wing low at my 3:00. He was climbing nose high and directly at me. Some pilots may panic here but you have to gauge the situation. He was several hundred meters lower at this point and climbing towards me trying to get a shot off. So I slowly tightened my climbing turn keeping my wing at him at all times - this is a hard shot to make for any pilot including the AI (nose high, running out of energy and maneuver authority and trying to shoot a target moving in three different axis as I'm climbing, turning and rolling slightly), and eventually he ran out of energy and had to put his nose flat.

 

And here's where I have him because just as he's doing that, I'm tightening my turn, leading edge slats at full out as I'm almost in a stall turn, and I wing it over and turn about 70 degrees into him. At this point I'm slow but gaining speed quickly, full throttle at first, and now I'm needing to see where he's going. The AI makes a silly decision to put his flaps out so I throttle back, convert my speed to turn, and I pull lead and with 2-3 hits of 20mm cannon knock his wing off.

 

I did this two more times just to be sure the first one wasn't a fluke

 

What I find more challenging and more interesting are multi-plane combat scenarios. You're rarely 1v1 without fear of being hit by someone else and so when I fly against a single Ace AI I can do things (like that climbing stall turn) that I may not perform in a more complex scenario because I'm just asking to be shot down. Fine for a duel but not fine for other situations. Try 4v4 Ace AI on both sides. Or 4v4 Veterans on the enemy and Normal or Rookie on your side and see how those go as those are much more challenging situations and more realistic towards the online environment.

 

Finally (now I have a wall of text), if fighter versus fighter isn't doing it for you, switch to something else. The Hs129 and IL-2 are fun ground attackers. Some people end up specializing and enjoying the challenge of level bomber. Not everyone is Hartmann although you can get more practice time in than he can.

[saelon1]

1 hour ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

 

So, can anyone link me a video with a G2 fightint some Yak1, ace difficulty, full realism mode? I cant even believe someone is able to do that... he must be a god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvU2rmxpTvk&feature=youtu.be

 

I apologize if the linked video doesn't fit your criteria, I have the plane mechanics set on full realism, while having the icons and instrument panel for my own convenience. I usually fly using VR, so I'm used to simply looking down at my instruments, and I have 0 experience tracking targets using my joystick hat. That being said, considering you were expressing difficulty in this engagement, I hope you might find my very amateurish attempt useful never-the-less. 

 

To briefly comment on my thought process in the video, the best method to deal with a Yak-1 using a Bf-109 is probably energy-fighting, something I have no experience with (I usually am on the other side of this engagement). Instead, I chose a turn-fight: according to the book I'm reading a nose-tail turn (turning to chase the enemy tail) is to the advantage of the plane with the faster turn rate (the Yak), whereas a nose-nose turn (turning to meet the enemy head-on) is to the advantage of the plane with the smallest turn radius. By including vertical maneuvers in your turn against the horizontal turning AI opponent, one is able to decrease your turn radius enough to beat him.

 

Someone more practiced and with better aim than me would probably manage to do it much faster, and with fewer errors. YMMV as to whether or not this would work against actual human opponents.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 My advice on fighting AI is to just study it a bit. It falls into repetitive and predictable maneuvers regardless of skill level. Do not try to turn with it, just use lag pursuit. At some point AI all the sudden turns to level flight. Use machine guns to harass it, a few hits and it loses the will to fight completely. Having a head tracking device or well setup viewing is mandatory. The only AI worth fearing are the Pe-2 gunners

[BubiHUN]

You need an expert to guide you through. 

[Mughug]

Although I have owned IL-2 for a while I have not used these forums apart from a quick glance. I kinda felt a mixed attitude to the forum community because I saw posts ranging from very positive to pretty poor.

 

But today, I read all of the posts in this thread and I must say I was impressed with all the advice, help and positive encouragement I saw.

[ShamrockOneFive]

26 minutes ago, Mughug said:

Although I have owned IL-2 for a while I have not used these forums apart from a quick glance. I kinda felt a mixed attitude to the forum community because I saw posts ranging from very positive to pretty poor.

 

But today, I read all of the posts in this thread and I must say I was impressed with all the advice, help and positive encouragement I saw.

 

Depends a lot on the subject matter. Generally speaking though, people asking for legitimate help tend to get plenty of help and positive encouragement. The tone going in is definitely part of it but whenever I've asked for help I've always received it and that goes for the Rise of Flight community too. I posted over there a couple of years back with a few questions about things and ended up getting more help than I needed (and someone gifted the Channel map too - very grateful still for that act of generosity).

 

You'll always find some negative folks in any community but generally I like to think of this one as very positive. At least until we start arguing about the small stuff with each other

[sevenless]

4 hours ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Thanks and sorry for the wall-text.

 

Don´t worry buddy. There are folks who are worse than you. With all visual helps off I am blind as a mole in the air. You eventually will get used to it. Start with visuals on and then increase the difficulty notch by notch. Playing the SP career is tons of fun. And fun is what all this is about isn´t it? 

[Lusekofte]

Flying fighters with a yoke add to the challenge , and in my opinion you need to choose best fighters for it. If the fighters are too responsive you maybe have a counter problem. I flown a lot with yoke and like doing it, but it does not make it easier

[Mac_Messer]

Training against AI creates bad habits that make you suffer vs real people. For example, it suxx while doing the scissors, loses all orientation and ends up a sitting duck whereas most seasoned players are prepared to punish the maneuver.

 

You`d do well just to keep working on your gunnery skills. Fighting against AI, especially as maneuverable as Yak requires putting in some snapshots from various angles. If you just can make your nose cross his flightpath then you`re doing good, now managing that crippling shot from 50-150m is a matter of practice.

 

If you have the time, give sp campaign a try. Even if flown against AI, it teaches you situational awareness. On the battlefield it is rarely 1v1 and you have to pick your fights if you want to keep your plane. You need to be aware of your surroundings at all times. Choosing the right moment to strike aswell as recognising the moment when the situation gets hopeless is IMO more beneficial because it teaches you good habits against both AI and human players.

[CUJO_1970]

Go get yourself a $35.00 Logitech Xtreme 3D Pro Joystick if you can.

[Gambit21]

9 minutes ago, Mac_Messer said:

Training against AI creates bad habits that make you suffer vs real people. For example, it suxx while doing the scissors, loses all orientation and ends up a sitting duck whereas most seasoned players are prepared to punish the maneuver.

 

 

It's not ideal, but flying against the AI goes a long ways toward learning to fly online.

I flew against AI only for years before going online for the first time in the old IL2.

I did pretty well, even though I had to re-learn a few things. For instance I was well practiced at the instinctive snapshot, which IMHO is vital for online sucess

because that might be the only shot you get.

[Finkeren]

Flying against a predictable AI frees up your mind to focus more on actually piloting your aircraft. It’s not a bad training ground, when first getting into the sim. Sure you might learn a few “bad habits” tactics-wise (depends entirely on what you want to do with your flying time - if you are going for SP or coop, fighting AI is what you want to be good at) but regardless, you will still learn to fly your aircraft, know its limits and how to make the most of its strengths as well as some basic gunnery. Once you shift to larger training fights or career mode you will also learn a good deal about situational awareness.

 

If you can fly your plane well, have good SA and can shoot straight, you are already better than most people in MP, so worry about PvP tactics later.

[CUJO_1970]

In the 109G2 your first order is not to go for the kill, it is to establish energy and altitude.

 

When a Yak does a hard turn in front of you, don't try to follow - go vertical instead. Always be looking for opportunities to grab altitude and potential energy to convert to kinetic energy.

 

Become patient and deliberate in doing this, repeating the process as necessary - it drives Yak pilots out of their minds.

 

If you don't understand what "repeating the process until necessary" means - it means until you gain control of the fight, can dictate the terms of the engagement and attack at will.

[Gambit21]

4 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

In the 109G2 your first order is not to go for the kill, it is to establish energy and altitude.

 

When a Yak does a hard turn in front of you, don't try to follow - go vertical instead. Always be looking for opportunities to grab altitude and potential energy to convert to kinetic energy.

 

Become patient and deliberate in doing this, repeating the process as necessary - it drives Yak pilots out of their minds.

 

Good advice in general.

[Thad]

1 hour ago, CUJO_1970 said:

Go get yourself a $35.00 Logitech Xtreme 3D Pro Joystick if you can.

Or a Thrustmaster T16000m Joystick. For the price a very good joystick. 

[JonRedcorn]

4 hours ago, Geronimo553 said:

The click bait is STRONG in these forums as all the noble knights rush in to defend their prized game against any naysayer.  Only two hundred and ninety views and twenty five posts within a new thread made less than two hours ago.  Thankfully people actually remained constructive towards this new pilot this time around instead of the usual toxicness thrown at the rookies.

 

 

For clarification I'm not calling out anything said in this thread. Just the shock factor it produced within the forums. Which can be seen within the time this thread was created and the view responses. It just goes to show how many people are willing to thrown down the rug over any and every little thing said against the game. Maybe people will settle down in the future, just maybe.

Still butthurt over that key fiasco huh? Maybe go start another 20 threads on the steam forum.