The end is nigh

[HagarTheHorrible]

Is FC the stake in the heart of ROF ?

 

Obviously not immediately, it will certainly linger until FC is fully out or at the very least until the map is out, but ( seeing lot's of old RoF faces turning up here) will it now wither away, particularly the MP side of it ?

[HiIIBiIIy]

Please keep the shovels in the tool shed.

[Trooper117]

I would guess no... there is so much content and career going on with RoF, I can't see it stopping anytime soon.

Yes, I have FC, but I have flown the aircraft a handful of times... but last night I went straight back to RoF to play one of my long standing careers.

I would suggest that until much more content, maps, and a career mode arrives for FC, many like me will continue with RoF (and WoFF of course)

Edited July 20, 2018 by Trooper117

[OrLoK]

Not for a long time, if ever.

 

Does not RoF offer many differences to BoX in terms of campaigns etc?

 

I can visualise long term love for the game, much like CloD or 1946 from a dedicated few  (many?)

[HagarTheHorrible]

5 minutes ago, OrLoK said:

Not for a long time, if ever.

 

Does not RoF offer many differences to BoX in terms of campaigns etc?

 

I can visualise long term love for the game, much like CloD or 1946 from a dedicated few  (many?)

 

Clod and 46 are still evolving.  RoF, developmentally, is dead.

 

I wonder what, if anything, would be the tipping point ?

[J2_Steve]

FC has a lot of maturing before it will be able to match the SP career and planeset available in RoF.

I think RoF has got some life in it yet

[OrLoK]

5 minutes ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

 

Clod and 46 are still evolving.  RoF, developmentally, is dead.

 

I wonder what, if anything, would be the tipping point ?

I'd say when the level of content is equal.

 

I still think there will be a hardcore section who have invested some pennies and still enjoy the game as is. Does it not also require less PC specs?

 

Im not sure when a game is "dead" as for example until VR hit BoX I still played Wings of Prey

 

 

Edited July 20, 2018 by OrLoK

[HagarTheHorrible]

There's always, but always, a hardcore.

 

It took me years to try and get hold of it.........and then the Internet came along (just at 56k ).

[US103_Hunter]

1 hour ago, J2_SteveF said:

FC has a lot of maturing before it will be able to match the SP career and planeset available in RoF.

I think RoF has got some life in it yet

 

I agree with Steve, it will be a while before FC catches up with the content that RoF has currently. I look forward to it immensely!

[Ceowulf]

Yup, I'm with the majority here.  What do we have, 46 planes in ROF?  Plus there's the excellent and almost limitless careers available in them.  I see myself, and therefore presumably many others, involved in both titles for 4 years anyway.  When we're on FC volume three or four and if the new career system is really rich, then I'll bet ROF goes to sleep.  ( Or if we get a BE2. )

 

So much for the long predicted death of flight sims anyway.  777 is honestly bringing in a new golden age and I don't feel like that's hyperbole.  

 

Ceowulf<>< 

[J2_Trupobaw]

I suppose FC will be final nail to coffin of casual, weekday RoF MP... which is dead anyway, at least on icons-off servers.

OTOH, I suppose the greater choice of planes and maps will keep planned events like Bloody April, Black September, FiF, Thursday nights and Cubans sunday missions in RoF ... perhaps with less emphasis on 1918 Arras sector. I hope to see MP hosts move away from 1918 planesets and turn RoF MP into 1916-1917 game :). 

In SP, RoF will offer better career experience for years to come.

[dburne]

If it were not for me having VR, I would probably still have ROF installed and flying Career mode off and on. For me WWII is my first love and gets the bulk of my gaming time.

But I am sure enjoying just flying in FC now in quick missions for the occasional diversion.

 

ROF was fantastic ( still is I am sure ) but can't see me installing it again.  One thing I sorely miss from it though, was the great controller setup menu.

 

Edited July 21, 2018 by dburne

[Pict]

Funnily enough I still have RoF on my hard drive and although I bought everything that came out, right from the Neocube start, I havn't fired up RoF in well over a year...2, possibly 3...

 

But, after buying FC yesterday and going for a few hops, I've developed the urge to fire up RoF again. Being overtaken by a Ju52 while hopelessly attempting to intercept another Ju-52 had nothing to do with it of course  

[Cynic_Al]

21 hours ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

Is FC the stake in the heart of ROF ?

 

On the contrary, if used properly FC could become a live commercial for RoF.

[Jodet]

The end is five years away if past experience is anything to go on. 

[BraveSirRobin]

RoF MP died a couple years before FC was even announced.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

On ‎7‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 3:06 PM, HagarTheHorrible said:

Is FC the stake in the heart of ROF ?

Yes, in that no new players will join ROF and the majority of existing players will migrate to Great Battles. That is happening as we speak.

 

On ‎7‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 3:06 PM, HagarTheHorrible said:

Obviously not immediately, it will certainly linger until FC is fully out or at the very least until the map is out, but ( seeing lot's of old RoF faces turning up here) will it now wither away, particularly the MP side of it ?

Of course, there are those that simply aren't interested in new releases and perhaps lack the funds or hardware to move forward.

 

However, there will always be rebels that refuse to leave for peculiar reasons. For example, version 4.12.2 of Il-2 1946 remains very popular (at least within the mod community) despite 4.13 existing for several years.

[Cynic_Al]

On 7/20/2018 at 11:06 PM, HagarTheHorrible said:

Is FC the stake in the heart of ROF ?

 

Indulging that possibility, how do we think it will be remembered when future gamers discuss it?

[HagarTheHorrible]

38 minutes ago, Cynic_Al said:

 

Indulging that possibility, how do we think it will be remembered when future gamers discuss it?

 

I think, ultimately, people will just be grateful that RoF lives again in a live environment.  Because RoF was so developer led, and limited, unlike Il2 46, it was essentially always going to be an increasingly dead end.

[OrLoK]

1 minute ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

 

I think, ultimately, people will just be grateful that RoF lives again in a live environment.  Because RoF was so developer led, and limited, unlike Il2 46, it was essentially always going to be an increasingly dead end.

I never followed RoFs development and roll out.

 

can you enlarge on dev lead and limited if you get a spare 5 mins?

[HagarTheHorrible]

Just now, OrLoK said:

I never followed RoFs development and roll out.

 

can you enlarge on dev lead and limited if you get a spare 5 mins?

 

 

Apart from from some superficial modding there wasn't much that the community could add to the game to try and keep it fresh, unlike you find in some other sims.  It's not a criticism, just a fact of life, but it did ultimately limit it once the developer had moved onto BoX.  I'm certain they would have liked to have devoted more time to Keeping RoF current  but time was in ahort supply with the demands of BoX.

[OrLoK]

ta!

[unreasonable]

15 hours ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

 

 

Apart from from some superficial modding there wasn't much that the community could add to the game to try and keep it fresh, unlike you find in some other sims.  It's not a criticism, just a fact of life, but it did ultimately limit it once the developer had moved onto BoX.  I'm certain they would have liked to have devoted more time to Keeping RoF current  but time was in ahort supply with the demands of BoX.

 

This is very true - it is also true of BoX and will undoubtedly be true of FC as well.  This is partly due to the complexity and design of the product, but it is not helped by the always on line DRM requirement for Career play. 

 

In addition, servicing both SP and MP communities seems to lead to a "command and control" approach to development rather than the "here is a platform and a creation kit" approach.  The MP crowd tends to want to enforce uniformity in their own sphere and  assume that it is not safe to allow SP to deviate. I know that many MP players do not care what SP get up to, but I have seen the argument that SP mods will lead to MP cheating made countless times and it certainly seems to affect developer attitudes.  The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

Be interesting to see how the FC DM issue pans out. Fact is we need everyone on board to make a viable customer base, but if FC turns out as merely a RoF MP furball game with better graphics I doubt it has a viable future.

 

This is why I see this series as being like a Woody Allen relationship: it has to keep moving forwards or it sinks to the bottom and dies.

 

[Gambit21]

ONE thing caused me to abandon RoF, the left turn spiral to the deck AI.

I just can’t do it. So without a doubt, it was a foregone conclusion that FC would supplant RoF for me regardless of current content.

 

 

RoF is amazing in many ways, but time to move on.