Calm down !

[The-Doctor]

Lately bug reporting , grey market issue turned into whining and accusations . 

 

I’m positive that 777studios and 1C are racing time to provide us with good and enjoyable contents as fast as they can to satisfy the crowd’s hunger , 

 

since we are human , faults and inaccuracies happen 

 

and from what i’m seeing the dev team works always hard for fixing bugs 

 

it would be supportive to report the bugs, and stop trying to be smart and deal through Grey market ,  instead of whining and accusing the dev team of trying to just collect money and not caring for their product  

 

 

 

i’m not generalizing , just a few cases i’ve seen 

 

 

i would like to thank the dev for their efforts , you are doing a great job we’ll continue supporting you guys ??

Edited July 19, 2018 by =RS=BlackRaven

[Frenchy56]

Problem is that the devs dealt with it as unprofessionally as possible. Revoking keys that have been used for several months without warning, not dealing with the problem earlier and basically just a big bomb where everyone loses. Players don't have a game to play anymore and the Steam page is bombarded with negative reviews.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Frenchy56

[The-Doctor]

1 minute ago, Frenchy56 said:

Problem is that the devs dealt with it as unprofessionally as possible. Revoking keys that have been used for several months without warning, not dealing with the problem earlier and basically just a big bomb where everyone loses. Players don't have a game to play anymore and the Steam page is bombarded with negative reviews.

TBH i’m one of those who bought BOS from G2A , and i knew that this key is illegitimate , but budget wasn’t that good 

 

 

despite all that i’m not angry , it might be a shock for some people but there is no other simple solution, they are losing money because of illegitimate key selling ,they have the right to protect their product . If it was you who owns the company it’ll feel outrageous that somebody else is pirating your product and selling it gaining fortune without even giving you a penny . 

[Frenchy56]

24 minutes ago, =RS=BlackRaven said:

TBH i’m one of those who bought BOS from G2A , and i knew that this key is illegitimate , but budget wasn’t that good 

 

 

despite all that i’m not angry , it might be a shock for some people but there is no other simple solution, they are losing money because of illegitimate key selling ,they have the right to protect their product . If it was you who owns the company it’ll feel outrageous that somebody else is pirating your product and selling it gaining fortune without even giving you a penny . 

Thing is quite a lot of buyers don't have your kind of patience or understanding. If they dealt with the problem differently, the devs might have done so without having to deactivate writing new reviews on the Steam Store page after enough damage was done. Or, like Ubisoft, show mercy while issuing a final warning. And also track their keys with more attention than before, which was apparently zilch before barely a week ago.

 

I've seen at least one guy on Steam asking if the game was safe to buy and the devs won't fool him after all that happened. Just to see how much damage this incident has done to their reputation.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Frenchy56

[Livai]

44 minutes ago, =RS=BlackRaven said:

it might be a shock for some people but there is no other simple solution, they are losing money because of illegitimate key selling ,they have the right to protect their product . If it was you who owns the company it’ll feel outrageous that somebody else is pirating your product and selling it gaining fortune without even giving you a penny .  

 

The right maybe but not how they handle it.

How many Battle of Stalingrad Starter Editions were sold for around $7 outside Russian Markets and did they revoked the Keys? The Starter Editions were only for the Russian Market and re-sellers quick sold them outside russia for good money. Did the $52 lost for each Key that was sold outside Russia Market not forced them to react? How many post we had around the world-wide-web from people who bought this Starter Editions Keys outside russia market. We never had that reaction across the board from revoked keys how we have now

 

Edited July 19, 2018 by Livai

[The-Doctor]

I totally understand that the sudden un-illustrated act was shocking for a lot of people and upsetting , no fuss in that . But the truth and the right thing that this is their right as a company 

 

other thing : if this thing has been done by a company as big as EA or Ubisoft i’ll be cery very angry 

 

I sympathized with this company because it’s not as huge as others and they don’t have as forgiving budget as other comoanies 

[Ribbon]

1 hour ago, Frenchy56 said:

Problem is that the devs dealt with it as unprofessionally as possible. Revoking keys that have been used for several months without warning, not dealing with the problem earlier and basically just a big bomb where everyone loses. Players don't have a game to play anymore and the Steam page is bombarded with negative reviews.

So since they are small team they should all abandon further game development and browse internet searching for non-legit keys!

You bought the key from a grey market known as "resellers" and took the risk, now be a man and don't cry!

Also you've got months of free play!

[danielprates]

Yep the guy from  the now-closed post should reconsider not only his ideas but his way of expressing them too. 

 

In the very first lines he insulted the heck out of the developer,  and went on and on rambling incoherently. In a further post he accused people of not reading his entire post of being juvenile for not indulging his massive, aggressive post with careful reading. Jeez. I will personally add that the demodé, 'class struggle' tones and clichés didn't help either. 

 

At the end of the day it's simple: most if not all software developers have clear terms of use on their websites, and I for one never had any problem understanding the basics - let alone such an important thing, as where I can buy if from. In this particular aspect, IL2's website has lots of pointers in that respect. It all boils down to a careless buyer seeking a discount and not minding who he can buy from, so there is nothing there to justify all that ramble and noise. 

 

Quite peculiar too, since judging from the poster's profile, he seems to be some hard-core, old-school marxism enthusiast. Makes you think.

 

Edited July 19, 2018 by danielprates

[Finkeren]

Let’s not lose track of who the victims are here: 777/1C. They had their keys effectively stolen and then resold leading to loss of revenue. What were they supposed to do? The team clearly doesn’t have the manpower to manually check each new key that is registered, and now that the new Steam format presented an opportunity for them to finally review and revoke some illegitimate keys, they shouldn’t take that opportunity? Doing nothing or worse still offering people a chance to keep their illegitimate keys would effectively destroy any incentive for people to buy through legitimate channels and not go for the stolen goods.

7 minutes ago, danielprates said:

 

Quite peculiar too, since judging from the poster's profile, he seems to be some hard-core, old-school marxism enthusiast. Makes you think.

 

 

As a hard-core, old-school marxist I absolutely support the policy to revoke the keys. I would always support a small business, where a dedicated team is working their asses off to deliver a great product to a niche market over a predatory site like G2A, that makes a small fortune reselling other people’s work, often illegally and without any of the revenue going to the original creators.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Finkeren

[[PFR]Sarpalaxan]

I don't understand how anyone can be angry at thedev if theyre g2a key gets revoked. Shouldn't the option pt pay extra for an insurance from the seller itself ring most people's alarm Bells? They where Lucky if just the key's got stolen, Most keys on those sites are bought with stolen credit cards. If those cards cet canceled the dev then has to pay back the money pluss some extra fees. That's why some indy devs ar telling people to pirate the game before going to sites like G2A. Saadley most companies won't revoke those keys and the people there think everything is ok. 

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Like above the victims are not those knowingly buying/receiving stolen or ill gotten game keys. 
But the company loosing money from it.

Also Since when did the black market become the "Grey market"
Or does Grey market refer to internet only?

 

1 hour ago, Frenchy56 said:

Problem is that the devs dealt with it as unprofessionally as possible. Revoking keys that have been used for several months without warning, not dealing with the problem earlier and basically just a big bomb where everyone loses. Players don't have a game to play anymore and the Steam page is bombarded with negative reviews.

 
you mean players who knowingly bought the game from a well know scam website that steals many game keys?

anyone who bought from G2g keys for cheap knew they were not Legit, they can play innocent but if you smart enough to fly a plane im sure you smart enough to know products sold cheaper than the product maker can sell them are 95% of the time stolen ?

[danielprates]

9 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

As a hard-core, old-school marxist I absolutely support the policy to revoke the keys. I would always support a small business, where a dedicated team is working their asses off to deliver a great product to a niche market over a predatory site like G2A, that makes a small fortune reselling other people’s work, often illegally and without any of the revenue going to the original creators.

 

My point exactly, it is incoherent to see a line of text invoking 'class struggle' type of arguments, and in the following line, a dedicated defense of the 'right' to buy shady software, harming a small, niche company like 1C. Specially when such purchase is a manifest, unequivocal infringement of highly public terms of use.

 

I'll say again, it's very hard to see any merit at all in anyone's complaint, who admittedly bought software from unauthorized sources. 

[unreasonable]

38 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

 

As a hard-core, old-school marxist I absolutely support the policy to revoke the keys. I would always support a small business, where a dedicated team is working their asses off to deliver a great product to a niche market over a predatory site like G2A, that makes a small fortune reselling other people’s work, often illegally and without any of the revenue going to the original creators.

 

Sorry, Finkeren, I simply do not believe that you are a hard-core, old-school marxist. To start with you do not fill walls of text with Dave Spart-like, half digested jargon like spacemarx, which is a dead giveaway.  Plus I choose to believe that you would not cheerfully put a bullet in the back of my head for the crime being a capitalist oppressor and militarist: as I would certainly be diagnosed by a hard-core, old-school marxist. (No need to disabuse me on this if I am wrong....  )

 

As such, I entirely agree with your assessment of this regrettable incident.

 

[Lusekofte]

In all this you have to remember we are in a community that really believe they bought a plane and not a pile of pixels , they think one they payed their 60 bucks they own the world.

We are the most demanding customers in the world. We want a simple program with easy startup and shutdown , and we will not accept the pixels we fly behave in any other way than we in our mind believed they would.

If I in my daydreams think I am Hartman I simply won't accept the fact that anyone  I encounter do not end as burning wrecks after first pass

We cannot accept the fact that making a software worth 60 bucks to the consumers have restrictions and limitations. However I must admit 777 Studios have impressed me in their ambition to try . Buy the game here , it is worth the money, even for me not particular keen using it atm. I know I occasionally will. It is cheap at ful price, exceptional I would say compared to what you get for the money

[Finkeren]

4 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

 

Sorry, Finkeren, I simply do not believe that you are a hard-core, old-school marxist. To start with you do not fill walls of text with Dave Spart-like, half digested jargon like spacemarx, which is a dead giveaway.  Plus I choose to believe that you would not cheerfully put a bullet in the back of my head for the crime being a capitalist oppressor and militarist: as I would certainly be diagnosed by a hard-core, old-school marxist. (No need to disabuse me on this if I am wrong....  )

 

As such, I entirely agree with your assessment of this regrettable incident.

 

 

I’d prefer to help the capitalist oppressors find proper jobs. I have no interest in putting bullets in the back of anyone’s head. 

[Jason_Williams]

2 hours ago, Frenchy56 said:

Problem is that the devs dealt with it as unprofessionally as possible. Revoking keys that have been used for several months without warning, not dealing with the problem earlier and basically just a big bomb where everyone loses. Players don't have a game to play anymore and the Steam page is bombarded with negative reviews.

 

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You need to read my post about how this occurred and you have no idea what we are planning to address this situation. We've been researching what's happened and dealing with the messages sent to us in Customer Support and figuring out how to respond. When I have a plan of action or inaction I will address it. Also, don't be pissed at us, we are the original victims here, those that have gotten caught up in it only rewarded thievery and claim ignorance and innocence. It's asshole thieves that have caused this issue not us and the more people pile on us for being blindsided by this just as much as you the less we are inclined to feel sorry for you. Have patience and treat decently and all will be OK. Calling us thieves when we are the ones who were shit on in the first place is not helpful. 

 

Jason