ShamrockOneFive Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 actually, in old IL2 the Stalingrad map, espacially the winter one, was one of my "hate it" maps.......when building missions on it for the VOW i always had to force myself to do it :D anyway, it is like it is - the comming map is a Stalingrad winter map. Most important for me is that with its release the game does not focus on fighters only. There will be flyable bomber/attackers too - compare that to IL2 ( exception the IL 2 : D ) and RoF release versions! My favorite as next adon would be the Kuban1943: i always liked the map in IL 2 with its coastline, hills and valleys it has water, si 777 can use its RoF channelmap experience Shipattack and torpedoes ..... interesting possibilities for missiondesigner A lot of western planes via L&L could be brought in the game, even Spitfire :D As the german singleseater force would be almost the same as in BoS, the developers could here more concentrate on bombers/attackers ( Bf110, Ju88, Hs129 ) BUT, as already said, first BoS has to be a financial succsess. I can remember a lot of such topics about future scenarios in CloD related forums, and we all know what happened with all these "dreams" ....... Completely agree. If BoS is a success...Kuban would be a great logical next step. It makes the La-5 and FW190 that we'll already have into very historical aircraft, it would be a visually interesting map, and historically it would be useful over a long period of operational time that saw some of the largest air battles of WWII. Huge resources in this battle. Kursk would be another next step but the aircraft do change somewhat more than with Kuban. I do hope that Battle of Stalingrad is a success and that it progresses onwards from the beginning. I'm investing in that future hopefully. 2
III/JG53Frankyboy Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 planesetwise Kursk would be very interesting and balanced for onlineplay, very true - but the map........flaaaaaat and boring ( IMHO ) to fly over
Tektolnes Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Assuming that the initial BOS drop is a success I'd agree with others they'll look to keep on the eastern front and probably move on to later versions of what we have currently - La5FNs, Yak-9s, later Bf109 Gs, later FW190 As. They're all popular planes that will sell well overall. Can't see them going backwards to I-16s, Bf109 Es, etc. Those planes have a loyal following in the forums but can't see them selling nearly as well as later versions. After a second eastern front drop it's anybody's guess right now what would follow. I get the sense that Jason would like to see a Pacific theatre though with the more commercially viable US plane set coming from late '42- '43 on it could make the online fights a bit one-sided. Still, realistic carrier ops would be a lot of fun.
III/JG53Frankyboy Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 well, but what PTO scenario.....and one where the japanese side is not totaly outclassed - that is always bad for online play IMO.
LLv44_Mprhead Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Can't see them going backwards to I-16s, Bf109 Es, etc. Those planes have a loyal following in the forums but can't see them selling nearly as well as later versions. a Pacific theatre though with the more commercially viable US plane set coming from late '42- '43 on it could make the online fights a bit one-sided. Still, realistic carrier ops would be a lot of fun. Agree on both.
ST_ami7b5 Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Stil I hope I'll fly the iconic I-16... Edit: aaaaaand 109E aaaaand Ju-52 aaaaand I-153 Chaika These 4 planes could be sold separately as an Eastern front expansion pack. They were too important to be left out... Edited January 24, 2014 by ST_ami7b5
Jason_Williams Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Stil I hope I'll fly the iconic I-16... We will. Jason 2
Emgy Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Can't see them going backwards You can see Zak's poll about P-40 vs Hurricane. 1942 has a lot interesting planes. Edited January 24, 2014 by Calvamos 1
Finkeren Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I don't really want to start a discussion about it, but I cringe every time someone mentions the "more comercially viable US plane set". I personally feel much less enthusiastic about yet another run of US planes we've seen a million times before, and I know I'm not alone. 1
Zak Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 You can see Zak's poll about P-40 vs Hurricane. 1942 has a lot interesting planes. P-40 won, didn't it? Ah, there were no Airacobras offered for consideration..! Oh well. 1
Finkeren Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 P-40 won, didn't it? Ah, there were no Airacobras offered for consideration..! Oh well. Well for the VVS the P-39 is more or less a given from 1942 onwards, isn't it?
ST_ami7b5 Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 So we now have cast-iron promises from Zak and Jason that we're getting the P-39, P-40 and the i-16 Sweet! ^^ This! 1
LLv44_Mprhead Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Can't help it, I don't get exited at all about I-16... But P-39 and P-40, that would be a different story
Jason_Williams Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 So we now have cast-iron promises from Zak and Jason that we're getting the P-39, P-40 and the i-16 Sweet! Ah no, we have plans to make the I-16 which Loft already mentioned before. That's all we will say. Our I-16 will be the best flying beer can ever built. Jason 4
Trident_109 Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I don't really want to start a discussion about it, but I cringe every time someone mentions the "more comercially viable US plane set". I personally feel much less enthusiastic about yet another run of US planes we've seen a million times before, and I know I'm not alone. IDK, but I think the last ten or twelve years has had a nice representation of many country's war birds. IL2, BoS, CoD, the Gaigen products, all had a nice mixture of varying representative countries. Microsoft's CFS was the only memorable US-centric simulator since 2002 and no one plays that any more. When was Lucas Arts offerings available? 1999? MSCFS 2? 2001ish? But, tbh, I'd like more obscure, yet important aircraft included too. I just can't see skipping over significant planes because they're country specific.
BeastyBaiter Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Our I-16 will be the best flying beer can ever built. Jason That's a quote to keep. Thinking of flying beer cans, I hope to one day see the F3F flying barrel in one of BoS's addons. Not an important plane for the war, but an interesting one. In any case, the P-39 and P-40 are inevitable. They served on every front for virtually every nation for the majority of WW2. Edited January 24, 2014 by =LD=King_Hrothgar
Georgio Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Nice thing with the P40 as it's just a reskin and voila we have a North African sandbox, thanks Jason you're the man... :D
LLv44_Mprhead Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Okey, only I-16 was actually promised... But the great thing in both P-40 and P-39 is that they were used in Mediterranean also
Tektolnes Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I don't really want to start a discussion about it, but I cringe every time someone mentions the "more comercially viable US plane set". I personally feel much less enthusiastic about yet another run of US planes we've seen a million times before, and I know I'm not alone. Sure you're not alone. But you're likely in the minority. Battle of Britain, Eastern front and PTO are the commercial staples where developers know they can make money as the planes appeal to a lot of people. With the current environment where flight simmers want more realism, better graphics, etc. there's probably less risk appetite on developers' side than previously so they need to be more sure that the sim will sell well. For every 1 who wants to fly some obscure Italian plane there's lots more who want to fly the Spit IX, 190D-9, etc. If you want to fly the plane set modelled less often you're likely going to have to put up with a rehash of stuff you've seen before in order that the developer has the spare cash to put into less profitable planes.
ShamrockOneFive Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 planesetwise Kursk would be very interesting and balanced for onlineplay, very true - but the map........flaaaaaat and boring ( IMHO ) to fly over In places yes. But the coastline has some significant hills and mountains and would be very interesting.
bivalov Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 during war VVS actively used several main british/american fighters like almost all hurri mark 2 including D/trop versions, spits-5/9 including reconnaissance planes, several main models of lovely p-40, p-47d razorback/bubble top, mustang with allison, p-63s ie almost all main fighters of UK/USA... well, no were only p-51d, p-38 and similar several late planes like spit-14, although ussr had several captured 51s, LL typhoon etc... this besides scenarios like berlin'45 where meets almost all planes of several sides, plus many friendly fire incidents, even d.520 was episodically used on EF too if i not mistaken - d.520 with engine which very similar with m-105 + a bit another emil for BOS = looks like lot of people from france are happy, in some sence, etc... some planes, especially a-20 and especially during some periods, were absolutely necessary and sometimes it's were single possible types... so, talks about many many LL and other planes are ABSOLUTELY correctly, sooner or later... oh, and piece of worldwide planes like brewster/gladiator/hawk-75 etc had finns... in total, i think here very possible interesting permanent development with analogs of la-5/fw 190 now, like spit-9 etc, and we still on east front with soviet planes, without il-2 fb syndrome... some peoples knows about planes of their countries more, so, they can post more correct plans of development...
III/JG53Frankyboy Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 In places yes. But the coastline has some significant hills and mountains and would be very interesting. at Kursk? you forgott a smilie? i guess you had Kuban in mind, yes, but i already said i like this erea
Eagle-OnePirabee Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Someday I dream of stumbling on a game that involves the bombing campaign over Germany. I dream of De Havillan Mosquitoes crossing the Channel in the pathfinder force ahead of the bomber streams and some as night fighters to clear the skies of marauding Ju88s. I dream of searchlight beams tracking across twilight skies and the drum beat of anti-aircraft fire following after the high flying, contrail-making raiders. I dream of packs of ME109s hunting on the periphery of the bomber stream and dealing death blows here and there and some getting caught in the crossfire of bomber tail gunners desperately bangingbaway in all directions. Then I see the cockpits of Lancasters, Stirlings and B-17s flickering with lights from a dozen sources...searchlights, ack-ack fire, bombs going off, tracers, flares.... I think I over-dream. Sigh! 1
ShamrockOneFive Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 at Kursk? you forgott a smilie? i guess you had Kuban in mind, yes, but i already said i like this erea Oh... Kursk... Kuban... deerrp :D Right... Kursk would be rolling plains and farmers fields I imagine.
MarcoRossolini Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 Someday I dream of stumbling on a game that involves the bombing campaign over Germany. I dream of De Havillan Mosquitoes crossing the Channel in the pathfinder force ahead of the bomber streams and some as night fighters to clear the skies of marauding Ju88s. I dream of searchlight beams tracking across twilight skies and the drum beat of anti-aircraft fire following after the high flying, contrail-making raiders. I dream of packs of ME109s hunting on the periphery of the bomber stream and dealing death blows here and there and some getting caught in the crossfire of bomber tail gunners desperately bangingbaway in all directions. Then I see the cockpits of Lancasters, Stirlings and B-17s flickering with lights from a dozen sources...searchlights, ack-ack fire, bombs going off, tracers, flares.... I think I over-dream. Sigh! Me too! I'd probably fly it once and then get bored but I'd still want it. Has there ever been a representation of the airborne RADAR (properly I mean) in a sim?
Volkoff Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Ah no, we have plans to make the I-16 which Loft already mentioned before. That's all we will say. Our I-16 will be the best flying beer can ever built. Jason The I-16 does look like a beer can with wings! I am seriously looking forward to the I-16. She will be a really challenging and fun ride. MJ
TheBlackPenguin Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 The I-16 does look like a beer can with wings! I am seriously looking forward to the I-16. She will be a really challenging and fun ride. MJ I wonder though, did it ever carry beer under its wings? More http://www.ghostgrey.gaetanmarie.com/articles/2010/Modification%20XXX/Modification%20XXX%20-%20Beer-carrying%20Spitfires.htm
Volkoff Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) I wonder though, did it ever carry beer under its wings? More http://www.ghostgrey.gaetanmarie.com/articles/2010/Modification%20XXX/Modification%20XXX%20-%20Beer-carrying%20Spitfires.htm Nice! If we have that for the Allies then we need to have a mod for the Gustav. We could have Krombacher or Bitburger beer pod mods. MJ Edited January 29, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA 1
Bearcat Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 So we now have cast-iron promises from Zak and Jason that we're getting the P-39, P-40 and the i-16 Sweet! Yeah and all 3 are some great birds to fly.. Looking forward to doing so under these FMs.
Feathered_IV Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Could be very interesting another Eastern front like Midway? Midway is certainly a long way east. Pretty brief battle though.
ShamrockOneFive Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Midway is certainly a long way east. Pretty brief battle though. Indeed. Although it would be fairly easy to model... just one atoll surrounded by sea. The harder work would be on the ships and aircraft. If they do a Pacific scenario then something in New Guinea would probably be a great place to go.
TheBlackPenguin Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Indeed. Although it would be fairly easy to model... just one atoll surrounded by sea. The harder work would be on the ships and aircraft. If they do a Pacific scenario then something in New Guinea would probably be a great place to go. New Guinea is a great place, until you bail out and become main course for one of the tribes. 1
Panzerlang Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) From a purely DiD persona perspective there's a nice continuity between CloD (BoB) and BoS (Stalingrad). It would be nice in that regard to then be able to transfer from the Eastern Front to a Defence of the Reich scenario/theatre. 109Gs and Fw190s vs B17s and P47s and P51s etc. But everyone has their favourites so I predict something of a lottery. Edited January 29, 2014 by II/JG3Siggi
Burning_Bridges Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Based upon pretty much nothing at all, my guesstimate is: - expand Stalingrad with a summer and autumn map (started late Sept????) - offer a new 'battle' on the Eastern Front - any one recall the theatre? Kuban? with a few key lend-lease planes -perhaps one more Eastern expansion to make use of the existing plane set, textures, objects etc - go west! With probable pre-existing plane set including (in my little fantasy world) 109F/GS, 190s before the major change (A8?), Ju88, He111, Stuka Dora, Mitchell, Havoc, Tomahawk, Airacobra, perhaps a Spitfire here, a Hurricane there, I know which scenario comes to my mind... -add the P38, some mountains, ships and landing craft,mayhaps a carrier or two,and you've got Torch/Tunisia. Also a chance to reuse some Italian types from the East, perhaps. - next, slide up to Italy, add in the Liberator (i wouldnt complain if they added it earlier), Jug and more P38s, later mark Gustav's - then all you have to do is make all of western Europe in high detail with all seasons plus the developments brought about by the Western Allies invasion, make heavy bombers and their bases in Britain, a few more marks of Jugs and Mustangs, the Mosquito, the Marauder,and boom! Just like that you have much of the Western Front - easy! Probably be done by Christmas. 2015 can see them turn their attentions to the PTO. Start either late with the Jugs and Stang's from Chichijima, or early with the Tomahawk and early Burris (if they do Burma). Then in 2016... This may actually happen. It just looks like you mixed up months with years.
Camille88 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 From a purely DiD persona perspective there's a nice continuity between CloD (BoB) and BoS (Stalingrad). It would be nice in that regard to then be able to transfer from the Eastern Front to a Defence of the Reich scenario/theatre. 109Gs and Fw190s vs B17s and P47s and P51s etc. But everyone has their favourites so I predict something of a lottery. Operation Barbarossa! I-16 and Emils And we would stay in Russia.
BSS_Mudcat Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 well, but what PTO scenario.....and one where the japanese side is not totaly outclassed - that is always bad for online play IMO. How about Guadalcanal? Zero's vs Wildcats and P-39/P-400's, covers quite a bit action time wise, plus easy to extend the action a bit afterwards to include other iconic aircraft of the theater, with planes operating out of Henderson field (F4U's as one example). To me at least I'd take Guadalcanal over Midway for a PTO theater, basically the same but with p-39/p-400's instead of buffalo's, and they'd probably already have the p-39's in BoS in whatever capacity by that point. Dammit I just drooled on myself thinking about it haha
bivalov Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 hmm, guadalcanal and new guinea, apparently, it's really interesting and good idea... because not so much cities, but it's still lot of earth, sea/ocean etc... i thinking now, this is very very possibly in some future, after several add-ons for east front, maybe even instead africa'42-43 or after... well, p-39, p-40, a-20, b-25, spit-5, finnish brewster ie almost buffalo etc it's almost fact, if will be sucсess of game and, next, development of PTO... ie, if europe'44-45 developed by another company, east front already by 1CGS and in near future, we can get some piece of PTO, sometime... personally i'm absolutely dont mind, still remember ukd2 days and PTO maps... 1
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