Tank Crew

[FTC_Riksen]

46 minutes ago, RIVALDO said:

The developers changed the effect of the HE type of ammo on tiger.

Yes but I still see that 3 to 4 shots sometimes are needed to destroy a T34 at close range (100 to 300m) with armor piercing HE rounds which is incorrect. As matter of fact, at close ranges, ot should go both ways for T34s and Tigers ... whoever shoots first should get the kill but that is not what we see in game. Yesterday I had a situation in which a T34 had to take 6 hits at 100 m before being destroyed and a situation where I was shot in a Tiger like 4 times from close range by a T34 before being killed. Both situations are incorrect and should not exist or be extremely rare ... 

[Haza]

7 hours ago, RIVALDO said:

I'm so sorry that the spawn area  is next to the flag which is supposed to be captured.

 

No need to be sorry, however, what you are implying is that one side is trying to actually capture the flag.  However, from my recent experience that is not the case and we have players just sitting there spawn camping! 

49 minutes ago, I./ZG1_feuervogel said:

Haza, I was watching described situation from my position yesterday. It is a matter of mission building and I have experienced similar situations vice versa when blue side tried to reach flag and the reds were spawning over and over again, easy prey but it is going to be a bit stupid. I am hoping for new alternative mission types.

The T34 and Tiger are from different "generations" in development, I am sure controls will be adapted when the TC T34 will be available finally. I think this is the main reason for that unexpected effect of ammo types/armor for example. It's an annoying thing but be patient and wait for the final release of TC and content.

 

Feuervogel,

 

I agree with your view, however, my concerns are that things will remain "stupid" as you put it and nothing will really change in MP.  I'm still hopeful that when the game is officially released we will see large MP tank battles with groups of tanks advancing into pockets of resistance and then being pushed back and chased and then perhaps assisted with close air support.  However, I think that it will just turn into a hide and seek game, that perhaps is not what players want from this type of tank sim and certainly is not the type of game I was expecting. 

 

Now, before I'm lectured by some regarding WW2 and how it went, I'm fully aware that the Germans IRL went on the offensive and the Russians were very defensive (then the opposite), however, I think that the game needs to encourage a game play that ensures that both sides have fun and that as a sim it is enjoyable as currently spawning in and being killed just causes me to log off and not bother with that server again and perhaps no different from being killed by players in the air that has been previously discussed. Therefore, perhaps SP is where this game truly will be a winner!? 

 

However, is it me or does the spawn point no longer show that it is under attack, as at least on the old version, a red ring appeared to at least give you warning!  Anyway, as much as I enjoy my visits to Bovington, I'm going to hang slack with any further tank purchases until I see the finished article.

 

Regards

 

EDIT: Well, it is ironic that I thought I'd give EFront server another go, just to be spawn killed before I had even started the Tiger engine!  Thankfully I recorded the game to see the usual 5-6 red only players in a circle surrounding the spawn area just picking players off as they spawned in, with no interest in taking the objective.  In addition, players then complain about guys just jumping into aircraft to bomb them having just spawn killed the same guy! I'm over Efront as it is just becoming a red player turkey shoot, although it would be interesting to see how many players there actually own TC Cap!  Guys were just leaving EFront having only just joined, as like me there is little point playing on a server where you can't even start your engine! When i joined the game it was about 20:17 and having just looked again it was 13:4, therefore i think most blue guys are now just fed up with the mind-set of some of the red only players.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2019 by Haza

[RIVALDO]

7 hours ago, Haza said:

 5-6 red only players in a circle surrounding the spawn area

 

Well...how come there are no 5-6 blue players doing the same???Who's fault is that that the blue team can't get together in teamspeak or discord and  organize  a descent attack plan on the red base for once??? We had four 110's bombarding us on one of the maps on EFront yesterday.And it was fun and challenging!You really had to hide under the trees and wait for the right moment ( either planes went to land or just were bombing or shooting someone else)to cross the open area to got to the next line of trees etc.But it only lasts for an hour or so.Then all of a sudden blue players start to leave...I guess its time to play the fortnite or whatever the hell they are doing on saturday night.Its pretty much the same time of a night as it is in Russia which is where most of the red players are from.There are a few blue seasoned tankers that never complain and kick ass at the same time.Dont give up on this server yet

Edited February 10, 2019 by RIVALDO

[Haza]

Just now, RIVALDO said:

Well...how come there are no 5-6 blue players doing the same???Who's fault is that that the blue team can't get together in teamspeak or discord and  organize  a descent attack plan on the red base for once??? We had four 110's bombarding us on one of the maps on EFront yesterday.And it was fun and challenging!You really had to hide under the trees and wait for the right moment ( either planes went to land or just were bombing or shooting someone else)to cross the open area to got to the next line of trees etc.But it only lasts for an hour or so.Then all of a sudden blue players start to leave...I guess its time to play the fortnite or whatever the hell they are doing on saturday night.Its pretty much the same time of a night as it is in Russia which is where most of the red players are from.There are a few blue seasoned tankers that never complain and kick ass at the same time.Dont give up on this server yet

 

Firstly, neither of the current blue tanks really have the speed that the T-34 has in this game to get to the opposite spawn area as quickly as the T-34 does, to then just spawn kill!  Very rarely do you see a KV in the server, so please do not make out that blues do not try!

 

Secondly, as you have already eluded to it is obvious that the Russian or Eastern European speaking (Not mentioning any former Russian speaking type countries in case it upsets somebody) guys must have great comms, so yes blue might lack that!

 

Thirdly, hiding under trees to stop bombs is great, although it is a pity that Japan didn't grow bigger tress during WW2 to stop those 2 big bombs, as we all know how great tress are at stopping bombs with no apparent damage to them in this game!  Hopefully this issue gets addressed again soon, as watching a tree take no damage from bombs or ammo yet can be run over is just shocking, although it is better than being invisible with rounds flying through forests!

 

Fourthly, WTF is Fornite? The reason why blue players are leaving, is that the vast majority are over being continually spawn camped or killed by a T-34 with one shot from 500m whilst in a Tiger!

 

Fifthly, I'm glad that there are blue guys who don't complain, however those are the die-hard Efront players that you rarely see anywhere else, however, looking at the numbers that actually populate EFront overall, I'm guessing that there are only a hand full of players, as in my experience most new players join, get killed a few times then leave. I think as you put it EFront is just a Russian speaking red server for tank players and the non Russian speaking Blue players players are fed up with the Russian mind-set of spawn killing, however, I guess that has never crossed your mind!?  In-deed, I recorded a number of video tracks (last one about 13 hrs ago) and when viewed you are either hiding behind a building on the oppositions spawn area or sitting in tress waiting, almost 99% of the time in a T-34!  Now those perhaps were great tactics IRL or the Great Patriotic war or whatever it was called, however, in a PC game, players kind of get *issed of with this type of game play and will leave, as I witnessed today! 

 

Therefore, I for one have given up on this server totally and wouldn't recommend it to anybody else, unless you are a red player who speaks Russian and for the reasons that you have mentioned, although it would be interesting to know how many actual Russian speaking players own TC when compared with non Russian speakers who play blue!  Therefore, until the game is officially released, I think that early access TC is just becoming a white-elephant and perhaps stopping more players from buying it, as certainly in this server, there are no real advantages to owning TC, as you rarely ever see a KV and most Tigers are killed at range by T-34s!

 

Regards

 

 

[RIVALDO]

7 hours ago, Haza said:

 

Thirdly, hiding under trees to stop bombs is great,

What i meant to say was i am trying to get under the tree cover to be unseen from the sky.Not use it as an umbrella,which some blue players do by hiding behind the tree trunks and using the AP rounds that some how get through the tree and through the tank.Which is awesome!Whatever it takes,right.But then some guys just want their God modes for their tanks and victories only!
One more thing about the spawn killing.If you are being spawn killed that means the enemy is capturing your base and you have lost it to them.Time to retreat to another one.Doesnt that make any sense at all?

[Thad]

6 minutes ago, RIVALDO said:

 that make any sense at all?

 Sense? What is the s e n s e you refer to? Is it like what is called Common Sense. If it does... get real.

 

Nobody can our should expect common sense or reason from simulator participants. (sarcasm intended) 

[RIVALDO]

In that particular mission on that particular map it makes sense.
And it is just a simulator.So guys,please,relax