ZachariasX Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 Fighters often enough seem to treat "their" bombers as bait. But I am ok with that. Unmolested, attacking fighters usually have a much more steady apporach in the arc of my rear gun.
Diggun Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Feathered_IV said: I find once the fighters begin weaving overhead they loose sight of the thing they are escorting inside of ten minutes. Hence why it's vital to get on comms!
Finkeren Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Feathered_IV said: I find once the fighters begin weaving overhead they loose sight of the thing they are escorting inside of ten minutes. Yes. When you are performing escort duties, it is absolutely critical that you keep in mind, that your job isn’t to shoot down attacking enemy fighters - it is to fend them off and see the bomber(s) safely through. As soon as you force an attacking fighter to take evasive action and dive away, it is time to get back above the planes you are escorting. No time to chase a kill.
Ehret Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Finkeren said: As soon as you force an attacking fighter to take evasive action and dive away, it is time to get back above the planes you are escorting. No time to chase a kill. Historically it seldom worked - once the attacker is engaged there will be no time... It's better to do a forward sweep and chase the enemy to the end. Even if you just occupy the e/a then it's one fighter less available to shoot at your bombers. If you keep them alive then they can zoom nearly and attack shortly, again.
LLv34_Temuri Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ehret said: If you keep them alive then they can zoom nearly and attack shortly, again. At which point they should be back with worse energy state, so you can shoot them down or shoo them away again.
Ehret Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, LLv34_Temuri said: At which point they should be back with worse energy state, so you can shoot them down or shoo them away again. So you will be too because you had to maneuver as well and you are tethered to your bombers. And the latter is really a big problem because this ensures the enemy will have an initiative and you are predictable. A fast booming attacker is incoming at 6 of your formations - what you can do to deny him a pass on one of your bombers? Maybe a difficult head on after high G energy burning turn - hardly sufficient and desperate tactic. Edited June 20, 2018 by Ehret
Finkeren Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, Ehret said: Historically it seldom worked - once the attacker is engaged there will be no time... It's better to do a forward sweep and chase the enemy to the end. Even if you just occupy the e/a then it's one fighter less available to shoot at your bombers. If you keep them alive then they can zoom nearly and attack shortly, again. You are somewhat right, though a fighter sweep by itself was seldom enough. Bombers still had close escort in case a group of interceptors evaded the sweep. In the context of MP in the game however, it is the most effective way of doing it. You can’t really conduct a proper sweep with the limited numbers we have. The distances and flight times are generally short, which means that when you fend off an enemy fighter, he often won’t have time to get in position for another attack before it’s too late to prevent the bomber from reaching its target. Meanwhile you are quickly getting back in position to fend off the next potential attacker, which is necessary since you’ll often be the only plane escorting the bomber. In an environment with greater numbers of aircraft and a greater degree of coordination, sweeps might work better, but in the common situation of one fighter escorting one or two bombers, close escort is the way to go IMHO.
Yogiflight Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 And don't forget, that a sweep only works, when the interceptors are comming from your twelve. If they are comming from the side, the sweep will run into empty space and the interceptors will have free access to the bombers.
Porkins Posted June 20, 2018 Author Posted June 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Gambit21 said: Say what Gordo? I'm just going off Wikipedia. A-20 top speed listed at 317 MPH PE2 top speed listed at 360 MPH
Finkeren Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Porkins said: I'm just going off Wikipedia. A-20 top speed listed at 317 MPH PE2 top speed listed at 360 MPH The Pe-2 speed listed on Wikipedia is for an early high-altitude version, I think. Wartime Peshkas had top speeds in the 530kph range.
=621=Samikatz Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 6:20 PM, Porkins said: I'm just going off Wikipedia. A-20 top speed listed at 317 MPH PE2 top speed listed at 360 MPH According to our in game specs... Pe-2: Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Nominal: 446 km/h Maximum true air speed at 2000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 476 km/h Maximum true air speed at 5000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 498 km/h A-20: Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Combat: 505 km/h (314 mph) Maximum true air speed at 1000 m, engine mode - Combat: 524 km/h (326 mph) Maximum true air speed at 5000 m, engine mode - Combat: 544 km/h (338 mph) Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Nominal: 467 km/h (290 mph) Maximum true air speed at 2000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 500 km/h (311 mph) Maximum true air speed at 5000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 525 km/h (326 mph) And just to complete the comparison; the Ju-88: Maximum true air speed at sea level, engine mode - Climb: 424 km/h Maximum true air speed at 2000 m, engine mode - Climb: 462 km/h Maximum true air speed at 5000 m, engine mode - Climb: 486 km/h A-20 is quite fast 1 1
ShamrockOneFive Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 The A-20 on Wikipedia is also listed as an A-20G-20-DO which is heavier and may be a tad bit draggier with that powered turret and slight fuselage widening. The A-20B lacks armor and a lot of other things weighing it down from later versions so it's really quite fast. It's almost overpowered for the engines it has.
Gambit21 Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 The Russians called it “overpowered”, but I was never sure why they would say this. Too much power?
RedKestrel Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Gambit21 said: The Russians called it “overpowered”, but I was never sure why they would say this. Too much power? Maybe more power than can be used efficiently? I cant think of a real reason either. isn't it always better for a bomber to be more schnell???
peregrine7 Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 Guys, get on the voice chat! Wings of Liberty TS (English speaking pilots flying German), official TS (mostly allied pilots but a bit mixed). Just the other day we did a flight with 2 bombers and 1.5 escorts (1 dedicated / closer and one roaming a little). It went ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9a_I-J9EY0 There are actually a lot of bomber oriented pilots in TS, as they really do need escorts. And escorts really should be on comms. Plus you get epic flights like this https://youtu.be/8lUOpmvIPHc?t=16
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