Tried out my old open track setup

[JonRedcorn]

Never had it working right and for some reason wanted to really try it, after fiddling with curves and whatnot for a while I got it working. I just want to say that VR has absolutely ruined flat panel flying for me. Completely. Yes the graphics were gorgeous but they still look pretty damn good in the Rift. The sense of actually flying and being there is just instantly gone as soon as you start staring at the screen. I am kind of disappointed since I wanted to fly with the tracker in multiplayer to make it a bit easier. I can't do it. That's how good VR is right now even with the sub par screens. It just blows a monitor out of the water. Now maybe if I was on a big 65 inch tv or something it would be a bit better, but I have regular size monitors around 23 inches. Anyone else just unable to go back to screens now?

[dburne]

Same here, no way would I go back to monitor.

[HansBlitz]

I got my Rift last July and have not flown this or any other sim on a monitor since.

[Synchro]

13 hours ago, grimm862 said:

That's how good VR is right now even with the sub par screens. It just blows a monitor out of the water...

 

So, grimm862, In Your opinion, VR is the best solution to play sim game ?

I am asking because I have a dilemma, what to buy...  VR or monitor

[chiliwili69]

SInce we had VR in IL-2 (about 13 months ago) I have not played IL-2 in my 28" 4K G-sync monitor for a single minute.

[dburne]

4 hours ago, HansBlitz said:

I got my Rift last July and have not flown this or any other sim on a monitor since.

 

Same for me, and I got mine in Jan of 2017.

No telling how many hours I have logged with my Rift since.

[JonRedcorn]

4 hours ago, Synchrocyklotron said:

 

So, grimm862, In Your opinion, VR is the best solution to play sim game ?

I am asking because I have a dilemma, what to buy...  VR or monitor

It's a tough question to answer, I guess it depends. If you don't already have headtracking i'd say get the VR headset. It also depends on what you want to do. Multiplayer or mainly a singleplayer guy, if you mainly play by yourself it's no question get VR. If you are heavily into multiplayer it's a bit tougher.

[Synchro]

Thanks for answers guys.

I'm using Opentrack, but to have beeter feeling, I want to buy bigger monitor with WQHD  or VR.

How long can you use VR googles, I mean how long can You play IL until Your eyes get tired?

Have you noticed any negative effect on eyes?

[BroGrimm1tkcamp]

VR doesn't bother me for as long as I play. VR is the single best leap in Simming. I think the Joystick would be a close 2nd?

[JonRedcorn]

35 minutes ago, Synchrocyklotron said:

Thanks for answers guys.

I'm using Opentrack, but to have beeter feeling, I want to buy bigger monitor with WQHD  or VR.

How long can you use VR googles, I mean how long can You play IL until Your eyes get tired?

Have you noticed any negative effect on eyes?

I feel no wear and tear on my eyes, but with my glasses it sometimes becomes uncomfortable after an hour or so, if you don't wear glasses it's not a problem at all. If I adjust it perfectly it never gets too uncomfortable. There just isn't any way to describe the sensation you get from it. The monitor is just so...fake.. Inside the headset it's literally like you are there. It's freaking incredible. Yes the resolution isn't optimal. But good lord the trade off in resolution for immersion is so, so, so worth it.

 

It's like say watching someone driving a car on youtube, and driving a car yourself. The sensation of flight is incredible. Especially if you are new to VR it will absolutely blow your mind. If you had some high octane fuel you could burn and the fresh winter crisp air on your face there is no difference to being there.

 

If in a few years we get headsets equivalent to 1080p it will be so incredible mind blowing I might not ever leave the house. Put it this way, most of us will never get to fly any of these planes, VR is the closest you will EVER get to being there. I applaud the team on their implementation of VR in the game, it's top notch.

 

Also if you can afford it get the headset with the HIGHEST resolution you possible can right now, be it the vive pro or oddessy whatever. I might jump to a Pimax 8k when it releases. It's so worth it.

Edited June 12, 2018 by grimm862

[dburne]

18 minutes ago, Synchrocyklotron said:

Thanks for answers guys.

I'm using Opentrack, but to have beeter feeling, I want to buy bigger monitor with WQHD  or VR.

How long can you use VR googles, I mean how long can You play IL until Your eyes get tired?

Have you noticed any negative effect on eyes?

 

It is not  unusual for me to log around 3 maybe 4 hours at a time  into VR combat flight simming ( mostly IL-2). I do occasionally take a short break in between missions to stretch my legs.

One nice benefit of my office being in my garage, I have a Mitsubishi Ductless Air System mounted on the wall above and in front of me , so getting hot and sweaty over long sessions is not an issue for me.

 

I have not noticed any negative effects at all on my eyes. Only thing I could say slightly negative is initially when I first got it, was fighting some motion sickness occasionally. I do however get motion sick easily, and I eventually got acclimated to it after about a couple of weeks and that is not an issue.

 

 

[chiliwili69]

1 hour ago, grimm862 said:

If in a few years we get headsets equivalent to 1080p

 

Fully agreed in all your comments. VR makes you believe you are literally "there", you feel the bullets in your own body when you are wounded.

 

Regarding resolution, the current Rift (with some supersampling) is almost like a 1080p monitor. Look this:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32186-identification-in-vr-supersampling-and-aa-influence-sample-images/

 

I believe the Odyssey is better than a 1080p monitor.

2 hours ago, Synchrocyklotron said:

How long can you use VR googles, I mean how long can You play IL until Your eyes get tired?

Have you noticed any negative effect on eyes?

 

Sometimes in weekends I weak up at 6:30 am (my brain just switch ON I can not sleep more,even If I want) so I can play for 3 hours in a row. And not problem at all with my eyes. Later in the breakfast my family see the mark of the Rift mask over my face...

One negative thing is that you have to dose yourself, I can not say to my family "good bye" I came back in 3-4 hours very frequently...

 

I corrected my miopy about 18 years ago, I currently have an good vision but need glasses for reading. I have used VR for 4 years now, but only 1 with IL-2. My eyes are sane.

[dburne]

4 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

Fully agreed in all your comments. VR makes you believe you are literally "there", you feel the bullets in your own body when you are wounded.

 

Regarding resolution, the current Rift (with some supersampling) is almost like a 1080p monitor. Look this:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32186-identification-in-vr-supersampling-and-aa-influence-sample-images/

 

I believe the Odyssey is better than a 1080p monitor.

 

I would not say almost 1080p, well maybe up close in the cockpit but with any distance it can not hold up to a 1080p image on a monitor.

No current generation VR can do that.

 

I think the true next gen product probably will, and probably better than 1080p. The key will be getting the technology to where we can actual run it with reasonable results on the computer hardware that will be out there. I think Oculus is working on some neat things to help that get accomplished, I am sure others are as well.

It will be real interesting to see what we have out there in say around middle of 2020.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Synchrocyklotron said:

 

So, grimm862, In Your opinion, VR is the best solution to play sim game ?

I am asking because I have a dilemma, what to buy...  VR or monitor

 

these are apples and oranges, Syncrhocyklotron.

 

VR is definitely awesome for simming. Monitor goes a long way with other tasks and games. Plus, VR isn't exactly a cheap affair, i.e. if you have a weak computer you'd need to spend money on cpu/gpu combo to get a decent experience in Il-2.

 

My best recommendation is to find someone who owns a VR setup or find a place where you can demo it. It doesn't matter what game you'll demo (preferably a flying sim though) you will either hate it or love it to the point where you'll make it your goal to get a VR rig. Come back after you demo it out and we'll fill you in on the technical details, setups, configs, etc. There's quite a few optimization tasks involved to get the best-of-the-best.

[-332FG-Gordon200]

The motion sickness some people feel is the body adjusting to the visual sensation of movement while the physical body is at rest. It only takes a few moments for your brain to comprehend what is going on and it begins to concentrate on the task at hand, i.e pursuing the enemy aircraft.

When I merge with another plane and turn to give chase I swear I can feel my stomach rise and then fall with the movement of the plane. I'm not looking straight ahead at a screen I'm looking up and to the right or turning in my seat to look behind me. It can't be said enough about the experience "You Are In The Plane!" You eyes convince your body that you are there.

And, on long flights I click on the Autopilot and take a walk out on a wing to stretch my legs and scratch my ass. The view out there is incredible - especially in a formation.

[Guest deleted@134347]

11 hours ago, Gordon200 said:

When I merge with another plane and turn to give chase I swear I can feel my stomach rise and then fall with the movement of the plane.

 

 

yup, same here! I also get the feeling of the involuntary motion forward when the plane comes to a complete stop on runway... the feeling of a perceived VR inertia makes me want to move forward... hah.. and I get it every time! And I've been flying for a year now..

Edited June 13, 2018 by moosya

[TUS_Samuel]

On 6/13/2018 at 4:52 AM, chiliwili69 said:

Regarding resolution, the current Rift (with some supersampling) is almost like a 1080p monitor

 

It is on default zoom level? I read that people use mod to enable zooming in VR. Do online servers like WoL allow this?

[HunDread]

Yes because lefuneste's mod does not require "mods on" enabled.

 

MP hosts would be foolish to disallow it. Even the 10x zoom does not add any advantage over monitor users in ID'ing only allows VR users to be on par and competitive. If you try, you'll see why I'm saying this. The 10x zoom is a wobbling mess and you see a very small part of the environment with it. I mean the mod is great I wouldn't be able to live without it, I'm just saying it's not an advantage over monitor users.