Sokol1 Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) "Bad" news for ones that suffer GAS. http://www.thrustmaster.com/pt_BR/press/thrustmasters-bold-new-2018-flight-sim-ecosystem-promises-revolutionize-game-flight Edited June 7, 2018 by Sokol1 Link
Thad Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Salutations, Looks great. But the pedals 'appear' to be rather close together. Can their width apart be widened?
PA-Sniv Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Looks like the TPR will be at FlightSimExpo this weekend. Hope we'll get exciting news from both Great Battles Series and Thrustmaster! ☺️
kestrel79 Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Looking forward to hearing how they are. I'll have to stop by their booth at EAA. Looking very cool and small enough to fit in my Obutto!
LLv34_Temuri Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 "Revolutionize" ? Good to see they are reacting to the market, though.
TWC_Ace Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 Nut crackers which will have similar price to MFG and Slaws/BRD but with much less quality. Nah. 2
Guest deleted@134347 Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 great marketing at work.. " PENDUL_R™ technology makes it the first-ever, mass-market pendular rudder systems and instantly becomes one of the most advanced products ever offered to fans of flight sims and flying games. "
Sokol1 Posted June 8, 2018 Author Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) Geometry kinematics is similar to P-47, P-51 rudder pedals. Tm H.E.A.R.T. means "HALL EFFECT ACCURATE TECHNOLOGY" = contactless sensor used all three axes (rudder, R/L brakes). Edited June 12, 2018 by Sokol1
Sokol1 Posted June 9, 2018 Author Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) On 6/7/2018 at 4:57 PM, Thad said: But the pedals 'appear' to be rather close together. Picture are in perspective, so don't give a clear idea of width. Anyway an beta test (on CheckSix) suggest that width is close to ~50 cm, fit just in an Akers-Barners cockpit ~50 cm width (RL F-16 cockpit is 20 "3/8 = 51,52cm). Brake pad inclination is adjustable ~45º - 90º. Edited June 9, 2018 by Sokol1 type
1CGS LukeFF Posted June 9, 2018 1CGS Posted June 9, 2018 The TPRs are being demo'd here at the Vegas show by Aerosoft. They are massive, suffice it to say. 1
bubo942 Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, LukeFF said: The TPRs are being demo'd here at the Vegas show by Aerosoft. They are massive, suffice it to say. Do they show something else or just the ruder pedals ????
1CGS LukeFF Posted June 9, 2018 1CGS Posted June 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, bubo942 said: Do they show something else or just the ruder pedals ???? That's the only thing I have seen.
-332FG-Gordon200 Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 Quote Pricing and availability hasn’t been officially announced yet, but our PR contact hinted it will cost around $500 (£373). https://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/Thrustmaster-TPR-Rudder-System-revealed-for-hardcore-flight-sim-fanatics
1CGS LukeFF Posted June 10, 2018 1CGS Posted June 10, 2018 Unfortunately, the ones here at the Vegas show weren't hooked up to a computer, so I didn't get to try them out in a sim. Still, the basic "feel" of them was good. I'd definitely keep an eye on these.
fiddlinjim Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 They do look impressive and the first pedal assemblage that appears to truly replicate the action of real plane pedal/rudder movement. The vast majority of sets, as everyone knows is push forward on one pedal and the other pedal swings rearward. If the pedal separation is sufficient to allow for a center Monstertech joystick mount, then I will sell my new MFG Crosswinds on ebay, and buy a set of these. I have had great luck with my TM Warthog and hope these are the same high quality. 1
Guest deleted@134347 Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 17 hours ago, LukeFF said: Can of Pepsi for reference: that's a huge b%@#%.. they said it's around 15 lbs. With this size I'm surprised it's not whole 40lbs..
Sokol1 Posted June 11, 2018 Author Posted June 11, 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yev_wGV_73U 1 1
fiddlinjim Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 After watching Sokol's video I see that the pedals swing on a central pivot and do not move independently.
Guest deleted@134347 Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 52 minutes ago, Sokol1 said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yev_wGV_73U when the 2nd guy tried them out it did look like they seem to provide a very ergonomic form factor for the natural leg movement. I use the push pedals from the VKB, i.e. I simply use my toes and it provides the minimum yet a lot more precise input. Although I do understand it's not authentic flying barefoot in the real plane.. Before that I tried the plasticky ones from saitek and those were a massive let down as far as the mechanical feedback. These TPR's are something else.
TWC_Ace Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) Thanks Sokol1 and LukeFF for pictures and video. Now, it seams they are huge and comfortable. Definitely not nut crackers (with that said I definitely get used to CH pedals just with the foots resting under 45 deg, no probs). The mechanism itself is very interesting. I suppose one can rest his foot on the floor while moving the pedals with the upper part of the foot. Now, we will se what would be the price. Also we will need to see first serious reviews to make any conclusions if those will detronize MFGs. Edited June 12, 2018 by blackram
303_Bies Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 3 hours ago, blackram said: Now, we will se what would be the price. TPR Rudder has beed added to FlightsimWebshop so probably they will be available soon: https://www.flightsimwebshop.com/en/thrustmaster-tpr-rudder-system.html cheers 1 1
Sokol1 Posted June 12, 2018 Author Posted June 12, 2018 Another price speculation: "Pricing and availability hasn’t been officially announced yet, but our PR contact hinted it will cost around $500 (£373)." 1
Lusekofte Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Being Thrustmaster I have a inborn skepticism , but this looks great. And if it is what it looks , I will switch my Crosswind with it. I think there will be a lot of them in the marked
TWC_Ace Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Sokol1 said: Another price speculation: "Pricing and availability hasn’t been officially announced yet, but our PR contact hinted it will cost around $500 (£373)." whole 134 EUR more than MFG....nah I will stick with ordering MFG.
Sokol1 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Not impressive in this "CAM" times, the old tweezers with "detent" (CH, Saiteks...) center system. ? Simmer impression Edited June 13, 2018 by Sokol1 video link
TWC_Ace Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) I agree with the "foot on the floor" remark. But they are still overpriced (compared to other high end designs). And we still dont know how precise they actually are. MFGs are very precise as we learned. I just wish Milan would finally 3D print the combat style footrests for MFGs. Edited June 13, 2018 by blackram
Sokol1 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) Precise should be, after all use same HALL sensor (Melexis) of Warthog (H.E.A.R.T). Claim that BRD or MFG or Slaw or VKB or Tm has more precise sensors is moot - all have more precision than our foots can handle. Quote I just wish Milan would finally 3D print the combat style footrests for MFGs. I wonder why MFG users don't did this themselves : 3D Print a combat foot rest. Edited June 14, 2018 by Sokol1
fiddlinjim Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 3 hours ago, blackram said: I agree with the "foot on the floor" remark. But they are still overpriced (compared to other high end designs). And we still dont know how precise they actually are. MFGs are very precise as we learned. I just wish Milan would finally 3D print the combat style footrests for MFGs. These look like a good product from Thrustmaster with their quality that you don't care for but curious as to what pedals you currently own and use? I own and use a set of MFG Crosswinds which are very good.
TWC_Ace Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Sokol1 said: Precise should be, after all use same HALL sensor (Melexis) of Warthog (H.E.A.R.T). Claim that BRD or MFG or Slaw or VKB or Tm has more precise sensors is moot - all have more precision than our foots can handle. I wonder why MFG users don't did this themselves : 3D Print a combat foot rest. I dont have a 3d printer and knowledge to do that, Im just a stupid customer. These look like a good product from Thrustmaster with their quality that you don't care for but curious as to what pedals you currently own and use? I own and use a set of MFG Crosswinds which are very good. I used to have Simped vario pro usb and now I have borrowed CH pedals while saving for MFGs. Edited June 14, 2018 by blackram
Sokol1 Posted July 14, 2018 Author Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) CheckSix review: http://www.checksix-fr.com/test-thru...ndular-rudder/ Point to notice: none of 3 reviewers are used to "high end" pedals (BRD, MFG, Slaw, VKB). Available for pre-order. Edited July 14, 2018 by Sokol1
303_Bies Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 And what do you think about them Sokol? You definitely have seen high end pedals I was wondering if centering mechanism is not outdated without cam. On the other hand he wrote: Quote It is also possible to adjust the central transition point of the yaw axis, for my part I chose a setting that allows you to feel the neutral point, but it remains very light when you quickly switch between one side and the other. However, there may be no central point if you wish.
Sokol1 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Posted July 16, 2018 Well, unless maybe by design no advantage over "high end" pedals (BRD, MFG, Slaw, VKB) - noticed that none of 3 reviewers in CheckSix use "high end" pedals for compare, but ones like Saiteks, CH's, TFPR, Simped or old RCS, Elite. Are rubber stops for pincers in central position that maybe minimize the "clunk" when one pincer stop and the other start move (like CH, Saiteks), but the "pincer" system still inferior than CAM. For some players the advantage will be TARGET integration.
Guest deleted@134347 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 i'm so used to CAM setups, their simplicity and preciseness of operation that I can't even imagine they'd put the pincer in a $500 piece of hardware... yikes..
KpaxBos Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Hello, Just to clarify this point : "Well, unless maybe by design no advantage over "high end" pedals (BRD, MFG, Slaw, VKB) - noticed that none of 3 reviewers in CheckSix use "high end" pedals for compare, but ones like Saiteks, CH's, TFPR, Simped or old RCS, Elite." See here bottom page 7. They use(d) some "high end" (and a lot of them). http://www.checksix-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=1667946#p1667946 Be Happy.
Sokol1 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 OK, the point is that in the the publicized review none mention their experience with "high end" models, so how someone outside of their circle will know? Would be interesting is how TPR compare to "high end" ones - specially Slaw, not with CH, Saitek, TFRP.
303_Bies Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) I was just wondering how easy (or how hard) it would be to DIY change centering mechanism to have cam centering. And how their centering mechanism will work in practice. Edited July 20, 2018 by bies
Sokol1 Posted August 23, 2018 Author Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) User review - notice their "anti-sliding device" (6:50). Edited August 24, 2018 by Sokol1 1
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