Willy__ Posted June 3, 2018 Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) Old but gold edit: Found more of the good stuff, one example just like the op stated, only difference is that it wasnt a pk: And my favorite, the psychic gunners, as I like to call: You dont need to search very hard, and there are tons os similar videos showing the laser guided accuraccy of the gunners. Edited June 3, 2018 by Willy__ 4
[CPT]Crunch Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 They'll shoot right through another Pe-2 or escort if you can get them lined up right approaching a formation. Plenty of room for improvement. Than the poor schmuck get kicked from the server for friendly fire.
Gambit21 Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, [CPT]Crunch said: They'll shoot right through another Pe-2 or escort if you can get them lined up right approaching a formation. Plenty of room for improvement. No doubt - but a German AI gunner set to 'ace' will do the same thing. 2
EAF19_Marsh Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 Was practicing against AI bombers in a Spit IX and decided on convergence at 500m. The gunners opened fire at me 700 - 600m but inaccurately and I was able to deliver pretty heavy blows (dead or disabled) without encountering any problem. I'll try this against Pe-2s and see what happens. Bu the 'firing while spinning' things is a bit silly.
56RAF_Roblex Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) While I do disagree that gunners (on both sides) are way too good at shooting while spinning etc., I do remember reading a pilots autobiography where he mentioned killing a German bomber that went into a death spiral then when he followed it down to watch it crash the rear gunner shot out his engine. You would think the gunners would be more concerned about getting out but it seems that sometimes they just accept they are not going to escape and do their best to take you with them. It may have been in 'Ten Little Fighter Boys'. I say again, I am not saying that AI gunners firing from impossible angles under high G is reasonable. I just offer that story up as a curio ? One thing that could probably be done fairly easily is to say 'If a bomber is mortally damaged then the crew abandon their guns and try to bail.' The game certainly makes a decision quite early on that the plane is 'Dead' as evidenced by the number of times it gets it wrong and you RTB with a 'Dead' plane ? It looks like there is some sort of built in delay when crew bail out as there is often a 5 second delay between losing all engines or a a wing etc and the first crew member jumping but the problem seems to be that the game decides if the gunner has not actually got out the hatch then he is still at his station shooting back. Of course this fix contradicts my opening story but never mind ? A block on shooting under heavy G would also be a useful fix though I don't doubt that a determined, and scared, gunner might do his best to shoot even under 5G. Edited June 4, 2018 by 56RAF_Roblex 1
Yogiflight Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, 56RAF_Roblex said: the problem seems to be that the game decides if the gunner has not actually got out the hatch then he is still at his station shooting back. Remembers me of the Bf110 E2 gunner still shooting, however he is just reloading my 20mm guns.
SYN_Haashashin Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 One more and this is locked and PMs will be sent. Knock it off. Haash 2 1 2
Lensman Posted June 4, 2018 Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) "Great, kid! Don't get cocky." (Han Solo to Luke Skywalker as the latter gets an improbable hit on a Tie-fighter.) Edited June 4, 2018 by Lensman 1
Haza Posted June 4, 2018 Author Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lensman said: "Great, kid! Don't get cocky." (Han Solo to Luke Skywalker as the latter gets an improbable hit on a Tie-fighter.) So are you implying that Pe-2 gunner's are part of the jedi order? I guess that explains everything! Can't wait for Princess Organa to appear in my cockpit after the next update as I would certainly let her take control of my yoke and throttle. However, I wouldn't trust her with my 30mm weapon. Edited June 4, 2018 by Haza
Wolfram-Harms Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 Oh dear - from IL-2 to STAR WARS in just two pages...
Haza Posted June 5, 2018 Author Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, Wolfram-Harms said: Oh dear - from IL-2 to STAR WARS in just two pages... No it's not that bad, I guess you can call it mild humour! However, now that you mention it, I'm starting to see similarities of the Pe-2 to the Millennium Falcon. Once again, humour!
Lensman Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, Haza said: No it's not that bad, I guess you can call it mild humour! I'll settle for "mild". ?
EAF19_Marsh Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 10 hours ago, Haza said: Han Solo to Luke Skywalker as the latter gets an improbable hit on a Tie-fighter. Actually it was a fairly low head-on deflection angle and the Tie Fighter overtaking speed appears to be only tens of meters per second ? c. 2:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_OSeRxhGOY
D3adCZE Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) Batushka Stalin: "Use the force Vasilij! Let go Vasilij." Darth Hanz in 109: "The force is strong with this one." Batushka Stalin: "Vasilij trust me." Darth Hanz: "I have you now!" *wingman gets destroyed by wunder Berezin* Darth Hanz: "What?!" *forgets about control stiffening and becomes beautiful pancake near Karpovka* Ivan in Yak7: "You are clear tavarish, now lets blow it and go home to drink some vodka." Vasilij bombs the Karpovka out of the existence and flies away into sunset while the State Anthem of the Soviet Union plays in the background. Now to the topic, reaction times of Pe-2 gunners are sometimes godlike. However in last few patches while flying on Liberty or TaW I did not experience this issue when attacking the bomber with proper slashing attack. Same with IL2s. The thing is that one must have enough relative speed in good direction where gunners cannot fire. My favourite, most successful, attack pattern is following: 1) position yourself on high 2 o'clock of the bomber 2) turn around and commence the attack with a dive towards the Pe-2 3) as you get closer, start doing tight right hand turn, lead the bomber and start shooting, you should hit both wings like that and if you aim well, you might hit top gunner. 4) escape as fast as possible at the bomber's low 10 o'clock, where it cannot endanger you. 5) ??? 6) profit Edited June 5, 2018 by CSAF-D3adCZE 1
Livai Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 Compared the problem with older game builds like this here, enjoy 1 1
Willy__ Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Livai said: Compared the problem with older game builds like this here, enjoy -snip- Published 22 nov 2014 Ah.... The days where everything got set on fire by the slightest smell of gunpowder.... those were the days... Edited June 5, 2018 by Willy__
VesseL Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Willy__ said: Published 22 nov 2014 Ah.... The days where everything got set on fire by the slightest smell of gunpowder.... those were the days... We still have 109... In the beginning when it was like 1 or 2 hits was enough to down every fighter, I did like it more immersive than now. Its fine now too so no demands here. For some reason I dont find Pe-2 snipers PK me often, but my plane do get hits every time I do attack it. And i usually have to jump or crash land..
Willy__ Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, VesseL said: We still have 109... In the beginning when it was like 1 or 2 hits was enough to down every fighter, I did like it more immersive than now. Its fine now too so no demands here. For some reason I dont find Pe-2 snipers PK me often, but my plane do get hits every time I do attack it. And i usually have to jump or crash land.. True, the 109 didnt change much in that regard, instead of getting set aflame on the first bullet you now lose a wing or the entire tail I also dont have problems attacking pe2, it takes time, and it doesnt mean the gunner behaviors are correct, it just means I know how to "game the game"... which is getting old btw. 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted June 6, 2018 1CGS Posted June 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, 6./ZG26_Gielow said: The Pe-2 must be someone very important favorite plane. If the Pe-2 was a German plane, everyone would be screaming about German bias. Be sure. 1 2
Wolfram-Harms Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Gielow said: -deleted post- That is "paranoid thinking", Gielow - have some trust in the makers! Did you miss the previous posts, which said that the Junkers Ju88 has rear gunners who are of the same lethality? Edited June 6, 2018 by SYN_Haashashin 1
BearMilitia Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 One thing I'd like to see more of, although I don't know how much it will affect gunners, is more night-ops on servers. The AAA is definitely affected by night time and it feels nice to run night strikes. With the Po-2 supposedly coming this is doubly important since it will need night time to actually operate. I haven't tested gunners at night as much as AAA so maybe someone can input with the affects there?
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