Career AAA

[InProgress]

I know there was lots of talk about aaa but I have feeling like once they are OP (in multiplayer) and in career they were a bit crappy. I went back to our airfield and was chased by 4x mig3. No ammo so i was just being ninja and trying to survive and let AAA destroy them. There was so many of them, bunch of medium and heavy ones. And they never really hit anything I don't know how long i was flying over my airfield. I started recording it and that lasted 3min. But i started it maybe 1-2min after action started.

 

Anyway, on that low flying, only one mig was shot down, then i was hit by crazy russian that was so greedy to get me that he was not able to pull up and smashed into the ground. So 2 kills, I crash landed and 2 other flew away. More less 5min of flying around airfield and only 1 russian got shot down few seconds before i was. Now that feels a bit weird, it was not high flying where aaa can be super unaccurate. But flying on from ground level to 1k max, and spam of aaa can't waste them all?

 

I don't know if that's realistic, just feels weird that so much aaa could not be effective vs low level flying planes.

 

Edit:

I was even going for straight passes over my aaa so they could have easy time taking off guy on my tail. But they miss all the time

Edited June 1, 2018 by InProgress

[Gambit21]

Where did this "OP" thing come from all of a sudden?

...and we've discussed AA AI settings so many times.

It's not easy as there's a fine line between incompetent and Terminator.

[InProgress]

By op I mean that in multi they could snipe you with one hit and completely destroy on high alt. Yes, it had to do with ace, ace is op. That's why I said op.

 

 

[Gambit21]

Ahh..yeah I wasn’t understanding “OP” except for in context now. WTF is OP?

 

Low tends to be the best AA setting. Still pretty good in real world terms, but not Terminator radar guided like even normal setting is.

[InProgress]

OP = OverPowered. 

Edited June 1, 2018 by InProgress

[Gambit21]

Got it.

 

[Yogiflight]

I know this experience very well, especially from FW190 A3 career starting from Pitomnik. As this airfield is pretty near to the frontlines, the russian fighters follow me often to my airfield and it is always the same rallye with very few hits from the AAA. Would be interesting to try to reproduce this with you flying several times over a defended enemy airfield, and see, if the enemy AAA is as inacurate as your own. From my experiences with enemy airfields, nope, it isn't.

[unreasonable]

50 minutes ago, InProgress said:

I know there was lots of talk about aaa but I have feeling like once they are OP (in multiplayer) and in career they were a bit crappy. I went back to our airfield and was chased by 4x mig3. No ammo so i was just being ninja and trying to survive and let AAA destroy them. There was so many of them, bunch of medium and heavy ones. And they never really hit anything I don't know how long i was flying over my airfield. I started recording it and that lasted 3min. But i started it maybe 1-2min after action started.

 

Anyway, on that low flying, only one mig was shot down, then i was hit by crazy russian that was so greedy to get me that he was not able to pull up and smashed into the ground. So 2 kills, I crash landed and 2 other flew away. More less 5min of flying around airfield and only 1 russian got shot down few seconds before i was. Now that feels a bit weird, it was not high flying where aaa can be super unaccurate. But flying on from ground level to 1k max, and spam of aaa can't waste them all?

 

I don't know if that's realistic, just feels weird that so much aaa could not be effective vs low level flying planes.

 

Edit:

I was even going for straight passes over my aaa so they could have easy time taking off guy on my tail. But they miss all the time

 

Long thread on AA accuracy a while ago - started by Custard, you may want to have a look. The problem is not so much the accuracy, at low AI levels it is plausible,  but in the behaviour of the AI who just ignore it. In reality they would be more likely to get clear as soon as they are attacked by the guns, since they were not participating in a planned ground attack. Our AIs are far too reckless.  Making them more accurate in career would make your own ground attack missions far too frustrating......

[seafireliv]

Had almost the same thing happen. 2 109s attacked, AS I was landing... Didn`t even notice them until the tracer hit as I touched wheels to tarmac. I was like, "What was that?"

 

Then I saw the 109 fly low and right over me over a wood. As I taxied, another 109 actually had a go at strafing, but instead of pulling up, he decided a dive was the best course of action with predictable results. The other 109 flew away once I switched the engine off... It seemed like he knew my engine was no longer active!

 

Anyway, I checked back the recording and saw that flak had been shooting, but it was one solitary AAA, which I didn`t even hear. Point is, I think the effectiveness of flak might depend on how big the airfriald is. My airfield is only one small strip in a forest.

[dburne]

Yeah the AAA is not very effective, if you get chased back to home field and outnumbered about best that can be done is get the plane on the ground ASAP or eject.

[RedKestrel]

I did this last night myself...I was flying a MiG-3 and a 109F2 followed me alllll the way back to my base, alone. Usually I can lose the AI on the way back but this one guy was persistent...I guess he was mad I shot down three of his buddies.

I was out of ammo, so I made a number of low passes over my own airbase, dodging his fire. There was at least 3 light AA guns firing at him constantly, but their streams seemed to be crossing at a point just in front of him, at a pretty consistent distance. Eventually though, they got some hits and tore his wing of. 

The best way to drag an AI into AA fire I think would be to dive right at your friendlygun...as you pass by, the AA should have a close to zero deflection shot. of course, there's a good chance they'll shoot you if you're in the way...

I've set my difficult setting in the campaign to Moderate, so I suspect that that leaves the AI for AAA at low. I've been hit a couple times in my fighter career but never seriously. Contrast that with a couple Il-2 sorties I made online last night in an Il-2, where the AA shot me down twice quite easily. (I will say that I am pretty noob-ish at fighting online and in this version of the Il-2, so i may not be the best metric for evaluating AA defenses.)

[Wolf8312]

Well the funny thing for me is that I dont think in my whole BOS career I have ever been hit by flak. I know it's not supposed to be very accurate but as I basically hold it to be of no threat whatsoever, it does sadly kind of make those black puffs of smoke, that appear in the sky next to your own AC, a whole lot less terrifiying than they probably should be! I guess this is done because nobody wants to lose their life to a random flak attack?

 

Can the flak actually kill you?    

[LukeFF]

26 minutes ago, Wolf8312 said:

Can the flak actually kill you?

 

Yes

[Wolf8312]

5 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes

 

T's!

[blitze]

Flack can kill you especially if you try a Moderate career with 109 E as a ground attacker.  Not much takes for your wing to be sheered off if you stick around ground targets for too long.

 

On the other hand, flying the other night in a 41 Il2, we were tasked with taking out soft column near a town, well it seemed the column was more in the town and the town was right next to a German Airfield.  We were set upon by 109 F2's of which I took out 2 keeping them off my flight leader and his second (3 ship flight).  By the time that had cleared and it seemed safe to go ground target hunting, I didn't find the column but obviously my flight had.  I circle back to the town where it is showing the target had been destroyed to see if there were any leftovers and lo and behold, disco lights near the air field.

 

I made a pass but was at a bad angle for a shot so I went around and came back on the 109 as it had finished rolling after landing.  I let loose with 2 132 rockets and it was bye bye to him.  Then made a pass on the Control Tower and Officers Mess with remaining rockets and bombs.  Finally letting the fuel dump have it too with the remaining cannon.

 

In all of that, not a peep from AA at the German Field.  I know in previous missions we had stomped AA in and around the town but there was nothing this mission.  The previous mission I had taken a few light AA hits to my wings.  So, it's horses for courses and when AA isn't lighting your flight up like a Christmas Tree, it is a nice change.

 

AA over Med to Large towns in Campaign can be quite dense - aka a lot of guns firing away.