Bf 109 G14 v K4

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

1 hour ago, Sgt_Joch said:

As to how much punishment a fighter can absorb, I just read about a P-38 that flew back from a bomber escort mission over Bremen to england in nov.43 on one engine with over 100 bullet holes and 5 20mm holes. The pilot landed safely.

 

Just your usual Lagg3 sortie

[Voidhunger]

I like this report from Eberhard Burath  III/JG 51 :

 

...I gave my Bf109K-4 full throttle and swiftly left my Staffel.

I opened MK108 fire at quite unusual distance - the Pe-2 filled only half of the "Revidurchmesser".

In the fire directing to fuselage axis space one shell hit the starboard wing and its root and made it fell apart"

 

 

Edit: and this reminded me that I have not encountered single Pe-2 in my Kuban career yet

 

 

Edited August 26, 2018 by Voidhunger

[D3adCZE]

On 8/21/2018 at 10:19 PM, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Let's get back on topic, which is whether the K4 could only mount an MK108 or could get fitted with MG151/20 or MK108.

 

I looked around a bit, and it seems that this discussion had been completed to conclusions several times already, with sources given as well.

 

 

Hence, to quote a user called Messerschmitt (all thanks to him!)

 

 

I just checked, you can (edit) buy one of the books here as well.

 

 

It is amusing how I am trying to translate some foreign language and I found out after 5 minutes that it is my mother tongue.

[EAF19_Marsh]

On 8/26/2018 at 2:54 PM, Sgt_Joch said:

As to how much punishment a fighter can absorb, I just read about a P-38 that flew back from a bomber escort mission over Bremen to england in nov.43 on one engine with over 100 bullet holes and 5 20mm holes. The pilot landed safely.

 

While that is quite possible, the problem is the number of aircraft that do not return and so the effect of fire cannot be accurately gauged.

 

Most fighter are damaged or downed (from statistical and reported events) from an unseen attack. Aircraft sometimes do return with scarcely believable levels of damage, but most that did not return probably were lost to a brief attack unseen by the pilot at short range. They may not all have fallen immediately or spectacularly, but the conclusion of Anthony Williams, Alfred Price etc seems to agree that a 30mm hit on fighters or 3x 30mm hits on a bomber were on average sufficient to be lethal.

 

Very brief (not conclusive) overview from Williams here: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/ideal.htm

 

 

[CrazyDuck]

16 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

While that is quite possible, the problem is the number of aircraft that do not return and so the effect of fire cannot be accurately gauged.

 

Precisely. A "dead people don't speak" kinda syndrome, where listening only to those who survived, will make you believe that aroma oils cure cancer. Same story here.

[5./JG11_Rain]

Bf-109 G-10 must appear in Battle of Bodenplatte, right?

Its not only the dream 109 to fly, but it also participated in that operation.

[ShamrockOneFive]

40 minutes ago, 5./JG11_Rain said:

Bf-109 G-10 must appear in Battle of Bodenplatte, right?

Its not only the dream 109 to fly, but it also participated in that operation.

 

Only the G-14 and K-4 have been announced.

[CountZero]

41 minutes ago, 5./JG11_Rain said:

Bf-109 G-10 must appear in Battle of Bodenplatte, right?

Its not only the dream 109 to fly, but it also participated in that operation.

 

usealy DLCs had 3 fighters 1 GA and 1 bomber for BoBp we get 5 fighters and still no room to fitt all ppl wonted.

Since they anounced what airplanes they will make ppl asked for 109A9, 109G10 or 109G14AS for axis and Typhoon, Spit14 and razerbacks or late war 51s and 47s and 38s so only way any of them would be added is if after BoBp they decide to add some as collectable like they decided to do with 109g6+la5fn after BoK, or maybe they are saving them for some other DLC pack

[Willy__]

1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said:

BoBp we get 5 fighters and still no room to fitt all ppl wonted.

 

Technically, all of those fighters did ground attack business at some point, so you can also classify then as GA.... 

[CountZero]

Yes, and have good bomb loads and other GA options