G14 OMG

[Voidhunger]

For me  its the MK108, since we are now facing equal of better planes you have not much time to fire and with MK108 its usually one round = one kill.

Also AI planes fight to the end with damaged engines and wings so MK108 is clear winner for me.

Its a very very good cannon. Good is that in game its flawless not like in real life.

[Eicio]

17 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

For me  its the MK108, since we are now facing equal of better planes you have not much time to fire and with MK108 its usually one round = one kill.

Also AI planes fight to the end with damaged engines and wings so MK108 is clear winner for me.

Its a very very good cannon. Good is that in game its flawless not like in real life.

 

True but I'm sure some will stay on the 20mm that deals sufficient damages, carry more ammo and have an higher velocity since you don't have many ammuntions in the 108 and in a fight against a real player you may not hit every times. 

 

For me both canons are too weak, I'll probably stay on my airacobra 

[VesseL]

G-14 is the best 109 now, like it should be. Its like I expected it to be. The 108 cannon is great. Even from long distance it is effective. But need to use sparingly coz not much bullets. My favorite fighter now.

[Godspeed]

Sorry for small off topic but..

Are developers planning to give Bf-109 G6 MW50 and rockets if used in bodenplatte?

 

G6 was used to end of the war.

[Stryker07]

I am also hoping the give the G-6 a few more mods to keep it competitive until the end of war time frame. I fly against the AI, so take that for what it is, but I greatly prefer the Mk 108 to the MG151/20 in the G-6 at least. I haven't picked up BoBp yet but I imagine the G-14 is kind of like a G-6 with more go and better vision outside, which is awesome since the G-6 is a beast IMO.

[Custard]

1 hour ago, Godspeed said:

Sorry for small off topic but..

Are developers planning to give Bf-109 G6 MW50 and rockets if used in bodenplatte?

 

G6 was used to end of the war.

IIRC it has been mentioned, but not as a priority,

[Yogiflight]

4 hours ago, Godspeed said:

Are developers planning to give Bf-109 G6 MW50 and rockets if used in bodenplatte?

 

G6 was used to end of the war.

Then it would have to be a late version with Erla-Haube and larger wooden tail, too. Our early version surely would not fit to this.

[PainGod85]

19 hours ago, ATAG_Flare said:

 

Well I've been able to win a few times now. I think the boost really helps and I have just been getting the hang of the 109. You have to be gentler than you do with the Spitty but I've found that if you need it to it will turn tight as well. Still think the Spit is a lot easier to win as though.

 

I ended up finally enabling Tacview for IL-2.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/229513999815933952/450069413178114048/record.2018-05-27_00-32-39_00.acmi

 

Ace AI Spit IX versus me in the G-14. Granted, not much of a challenge, especially considering the G-14 is the plain better plane right now.

Edited May 26, 2018 by PainGod85

[Godspeed]

Ok thanks im sure G6 with or without "modernisation" features it will be available to use in bodenplatte career.

 

[Voidhunger]

I just had fight against Spit IX and he survived 3 hits from MK108.

One to the wing and 2 to the rudder area. Another shot to the other wing finally send him down.

 

I just hope that this will not be standard case when the P47 comes out, because I read somewhere that P47 durability had no chance against 30mm round from MK108

[III/JG2Gustav05]

According to the manual in game MW50 is forbidden to use over 6000m, This is new to me, never know that before.

[IVJG4-Knight]

1 hour ago, III/JG2Gustav05 said:

According to the manual in game MW50 is forbidden to use over 6000m, This is new to me, never know that before.

 

That is accurate.I don't know about forbidden but it doesn't give any performance boost at high altitude.

Edited May 28, 2018 by IVJG4-Knight

[Legioneod]

10 hours ago, Voidhunger said:

I just had fight against Spit IX and he survived 3 hits from MK108.

One to the wing and 2 to the rudder area. Another shot to the other wing finally send him down.

 

I just hope that this will not be standard case when the P47 comes out, because I read somewhere that P47 durability had no chance against 30mm round from MK108

All depends on where the round impacts (this goes for any aircraft). If it impacts a non vital part of the aircraft then there is no real reason it should go down, the flight characteristics will be messed up due to damage though and it would be harder to fly with big holes in the airframe.

 

From what I've gathered the image below is the result of 1 or mutiple (not sure how many) hits by a 20mm or 30mm cannon, the aircraft made it home safe but note the extensive amount of damage. I would think that this type of damage would be from flak but apparently is was from cannon rounds.

 

Another interesting thins is that flak damage doesn't look nearly as severe:

This is the result of a Flak 88.

Edited May 28, 2018 by Legioneod

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

I would argue, that the first picture, the damage is structurally superficial. The flap seems to have blown off, but the wing itself seems fine

[Legioneod]

20 minutes ago, RoflSeal said:

I would argue, that the first picture, the damage is structurally superficial. The flap seems to have blown off, but the wing itself seems fine

Agreed, that's why I said it all depends on where the round hits, as long as its non vital the aircraft could make it home.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

I REALLY need to get Bodenplatte...

[Voidhunger]

Im ok with the wings, but rudder and elevator surviving two MK108 rounds seems weird. But i saw it only once. Most of the time part of the elevator is shot off with one round.  Maybe it wasnt a direct hit and the round scratch the edge of the rudder or elevator. If such thing is modeled in game.  its a shame that only wings and tail can be shot off. it would be nice to see big holes in the engine or missing engine cowling, propeller etc.

Only drawback with the MK108 is that its almost impossible to ignite enemy fighter.

[klebor]

Lame question, but what is the small thing in right side of the windscreen of G-6 and G-14?

[Voidhunger]

49 minutes ago, sereme1 said:

Lame question, but what is the small thing in right side of the windscreen of G-6 and G-14?

Silica gel pellets to prevent condensation

Edited May 28, 2018 by Voidhunger

[klebor]

7 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Silica gel pellets to prevent condensation

Strange they placed it in such important place and made it decrease visibility near the gun sight.

[III/JG2Gustav05]

Actually it is much lower than that we have currently in game, so does not impair the visibility too much. I don't want to say conspiracy, but such things come up every time. 

[Hoots]

10 minutes ago, III/JG2Gustav05 said:

Actually it is much lower than that we have currently in game, so does not impair the visibility too much. I don't want to say conspiracy, but such things come up every time. 

So you do want to say conspiracy. 

[unreasonable]

If you do not want to say conspiracy - do not use the word.  

 

7 hours ago, Legioneod said:

<snip>

 

 

Another interesting thins is that flak damage doesn't look nearly as severe:

This is the result of a Flak 88.

 

I suspect that just shows that the 88 shell - if that is what it as - exploded some distance away from the aircraft or even possibly went right through it without exploding.  Not all 88mm shells had a percussion fuze, and even if that one had,  it might not always work. Unlike the cannon shells fired by aircraft, they did not have to hit the target.

[klebor]

38 minutes ago, III/JG2Gustav05 said:

Actually it is much lower than that we have currently in game, so does not impair the visibility too much. I don't want to say conspiracy, but such things come up every time. 

 

So why in the game is placed higher than it was in real life?

There have to be some reason. I can hardly believe some guy said "ok, it was lower but i'll place it higher to limit the visibility to make it less dangerous to Russian fighters."

[303_Bies]

I have found only a few photos of real Bf109G6 cockpits with this device. 

It's definitely lower than in the game.

Other G6's i've found didn't have this element at all.

I don't know what is the reason, but i suppose developers just did a better research than me.

cheers

 

And from Smithsonian museum:

 

Edited May 28, 2018 by bies

[Danziger]

Put in a bug report. That definitely looks off.

[303_Bies]

Ok. I have posted it in  Bug Report -> Graphics-Models-and-Maps.

 

[Voidhunger]

Can someone check the position of the MK108 cover in the cockpit in G-14. I took a screenshot of it yesterday and its not straight, but positioned to the left.(im at work now). It seemed weird to me.

[Barnacles]

Yes, it's also like that in the G6 with 108 too. I think that's just how it looks like. Probably because the breech is asymmetrical.

 

 

[adler_1]

MW50

How do you ensure that the MW50 is working , is there an indicator ? does it come on automatically when in full acceleration ?

 recent experience

I was flying defensive over an airfield and the enemy arrived and i chased down the attacker from 3 mt and followed him back up  , i was in full acceleration in the climb , then the engine blew up within maybe a minute of chasing . I also couldnt catch him as well , he was silvery , maybe a P51 D .

RPM 

What is the unlimited  RPM limit in combat for this aircraft model ?  

 

[=FEW=fernando11]

You go for the aircraft specifications to find the info you need. While in game, press O to bring the full map on. Then look at the mission descriptions, on the Botton there is a way to Select another tab with plane info, at the bottom of this page should be the info you need.

 

 

IIRC you need 100% throttle. And there should be a gauge on the left side of the cockpit. Near the tail wheel lock, If you still have MW left. The gauge should read something like  0,5-0,6 kg, 

 

Pic from 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2019 by =FEW=fernando11
Correction

[Bremspropeller]

On 5/28/2018 at 10:16 AM, unreasonable said:

If you do not want to say conspiracy - do not use the word.  

 

 

I suspect that just shows that the 88 shell - if that is what it as - exploded some distance away from the aircraft or even possibly went right through it without exploding.  Not all 88mm shells had a percussion fuze, and even if that one had,  it might not always work. Unlike the cannon shells fired by aircraft, they did not have to hit the target.

 

The soot-marks on the shrapnel-holes indicate the the explosion either took place inside or relatively close by on the opposite side. All the metal is bent outward.

Of interest is the heat-damage to the intercooler-door.

 

 

However: The shrapnel-holes might be from a different hit of a different caliber, too.

[ZachariasX]

On 5/28/2018 at 10:16 AM, unreasonable said:

I suspect that just shows that the 88 shell - if that is what it as - exploded some distance away from the aircraft or even possibly went right through it without exploding.  Not all 88mm shells had a percussion fuze, and even if that one had,  it might not always work. Unlike the cannon shells fired by aircraft, they did not have to hit the target.

 

They say it is indeed an 88 mm hit:

Spoiler

 

If it was, then there's only one explanation that makes sense to me. Forst of all, the shells don't have üproximity fizes, but are pre set by telemetry of radar and/or observers. You can be reather good in pre-selecting the detonation of your shells. If you are good and the plane is slow. (The P-47 is slow.)

 

What I see is shell the exploded close below the aircraft, coming in from 12 o'clock low, being almost dead center of the aircraft. When the shell explodes, fragmentation does not occur in a spheric pattern, but mainly to the front and the side. You have a considerable part that travels straight ahead, while most of the blast goes somewhat perpendicular to the shell. This was specifically researched with the advent of proximity (VT) fuzes and and rocket projectiles (the illustration below), that as such are not that different from 88 mm projectiles.

 

In principle, the blast of such projectiles is released like this:

 

AA-missiles use this effect to "inflate" a wire circle in a flight path that the target aircraft will travel though, essentially cutting it's soft skin with that wire.

 

In the case seen above with the P-47, the blast occurred below the aircraft, leading to the belly ripped partially open and part of the shell fragments travelling straight ahead, shooting through the aircraft. The fragmented shell tip (see the "spike" on the blast diagram above) along with part of the shrapnel entered from below the "5" and travelled upwards until it exited on the uper right on the picture.

 

The amount of explosive of an 88 mm shell would easily have torn the aircraft in shreds if it exploded inside, but it very obviously didn't do so. It fragmented outside below the aircraft but took a lot of pressure and shrapnell to travel throught the left side of the fuselage, bending the shrapnel holes on the upper fuselage outward. This is consistent with the firing demonstrators for other AA HE shells I have seen. The picture essentially always comes down to a region directly affected from the blast that (also depending on the grenade) usually is going mostly sideways that shreds the location of the blast site and something like a smaller caliber hole going straight forward.

 

Edited December 21, 2019 by ZachariasX

[von_Michelstamm]

Looking forward to playing with it. I’ve just worked up to the g4 after messing with my headtracking technique and I absolutely love them now despite the crazy hood.

g14 is next, I love the erla hood

[Blackhawk_FR]

MW50 is activated at full throttle (precisely over 95% throttle). That's all. What can kill the engine is keeping it between 85 and 95% (too much power and RPM without MW50 activated).

MW50 lasts 10min at 2800rpm. It can last for 20-25min if you switch to manual pitch and keep 2600rpm. But 10min is more than enough anyway.

Edited February 9, 2020 by JG300_Faucon

[Yogiflight]

And you can see it is working by either the increase of the manifold pressure or the gauge on the left cockpit side, that shows the working pressure of the MW50 boost. IIRC, the working pressure of the MW50 should be above 0.4.

Edited February 9, 2020 by Yogiflight

[jojy47jojyrocks]

On 5/25/2018 at 1:37 PM, 150GCT_Veltro said:

A nice pic of an italian G-14, North Italy. Nice addition but i still REALLY hope for G-10 DLC too.

Yeah was wondering...why G-14?...When in actuality its the G-10 thats the refined version and pretty sure it was used in the late stages of war along with K-4.

 

[LukeFF]

33 minutes ago, jojy47jojyrocks said:

Yeah was wondering...why G-14?

 

Because it was the most common 109 model in the last months of the war.

[FliegerAD]

37 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Because it was the most common 109 model in the last months of the war.

 

It also means the G10 is available to be used in other modules as an high-end fighter. It is actually a good decision I'd say.

[Kurfurst]

2 hours ago, jojy47jojyrocks said:

Yeah was wondering...why G-14?...When in actuality its the G-10 thats the refined version and pretty sure it was used in the late stages of war along with K-4.

 

 

G-10 = 25 km/h slower K-4 with an MG 151/20 option.

 

Doesn't add too much to it's K-4 half-brother, now does it, but its a pretty cool 109 to make for any future late war Eastern Front / MTO add on.