More American Spitfire IX Skins than British.

[SqueakyS]

There are more skins for American pilots than there are British pilots. In a Spitfire.

 

This is a small nitpick sure but there is only one British born pilot skin in the entire lineup. Its nice that there is a good mix of all the nations that flew for the RAF in the spitfire and I'm happy that most of them are represented but how did we end up with only one British born pilot in the entire lineup? Will all of the allied planes be getting such treatment? One American ace for the P-51 and the rest representing all the other nations that flew it?

[wellenbrecher]

Which of these is the British born dude? Just out of interest.

Dave Glaser

Robert Gibbes

John Plagis

Pierre Clostermann

 

As opposed to one named Canadian, one named Norwegian, one named Polish, one named French and two named US American.

And a smattering of non-named ones.

 

 

Actually, now that I am typing this I am rather surprised by the sheer amount of skins. oO

Edited May 24, 2018 by wellenbrecher

[LukeFF]

I love that there are some American Spitfire skins, because I don't think a lot of people realize the USAAF operated it.

[SqueakyS]

TBF there are an impressive amount of skins and a good veriety but Dave Glaser is the only one born in Britain.

 

After counting there are actually three french pilots. One Free French, one French Recce and Pierre Clostermann. Do the devs not like Brits or something?

[354thFG_Leifr]

Robert Gibbes and John Plagis are pilots of the Commonwealth (Australia and Zimbabwe respectively). I suppose their contribution to the war-effort is to be considered less than that of a true British-born pilot.

 

Johnnie Johnson is in there too. He was born in Leicestershire but eventually took command of the RCAF wings over Europe... I think you're being a little short-sighted with the claims of there not being 'enough' British pilots. ?

 

 

Edited May 24, 2018 by Leifr

[=621=Samikatz]

When the templates are released I am sure that problem will be solved pretty quickly

[LukeFF]

6 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

When the templates are released I am sure that problem will be solved pretty quickly

 

That's assuming one believes there is a problem.

[SqueakyS]

Leifr please don't put words in my mouth. Every pilot of every skin made for the spitfire deservs the honour.

[Dakpilot]

30 minutes ago, Leifr said:

Robert Gibbes and John Plagis are pilots of the Commonwealth (Australia and Zimbabwe respectively). I suppose their contribution to the war-effort is to be considered less than that of a true British-born pilot.

 

Johnnie Johnson is in there too. He was born in Leicestershire but eventually took command of the RCAF wings over Europe... I think you're being a little short-sighted with the claims of there not being 'enough' British pilots. ?

 

 

 

Actually John Plagis was a Greek national flying for RAF and although he lived all his life in Southern Rhodesia, only becoming a Rhodesian Citizen after the war,  he always considered himself a Rhodesian

 

Zimbabwe has only existed since 1980 (minor point, with no intent of politics)

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

[354thFG_Leifr]

35 minutes ago, SqueakyS said:

Leifr please don't put words in my mouth. Every pilot of every skin made for the spitfire deservs the honour.

 

Apologies, but what's the hang-up then of only wanting to fly British-born aircraft? If you're so desperate for it, make some skin packs up fella!

 

12 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

Actually John Plagis was a Greek national flying for RAF and although he lived all his life in Southern Rhodesia, only becoming a Rhodesian Citizen after the war,  he always considered himself a Rhodesian

 

Zimbabwe has only existed since 1980 (minor point, with no intent of politics)

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

 

Many thanks Dakpilot, I had only a cursory glance at some of the profiles of the available skins. Fact is; there are several Commonwealth pilots available, including two British-born skins (despite Johnson flying in one of the RCAF wings) for SqueakyS. It shouldn't matter much for long anyway, sooner or later there will be some excellent custom skins available I am sure.

[SqueakyS]

You are right Leifr I should take this as a challange to lern how to make skins and hopefully learn about more British pilots.

[DD_Arthur]

10 minutes ago, SqueakyS said:

 hopefully learn about more British pilots.

 

Or how truly international a service the RAF had become by 1945?

[ShamrockOneFive]

I went through the list wondering if they had picked the must-have (in my mind) Spitfire IX skins and they are all there.

 

A great list of skins for this aircraft representing the various squadrons and famous Spitfire IX units. Of the things to complain about...

[Rjel]

More RAF skins I bloody weIl say. I like the Brits. I'm sure some of my ancestry is from there. It isn't widely known, but it was actually Americans who designed the Spitfire. And the Ju-88. Zero too. All of them actually. Saw it on Youtube.

[Jade_Monkey]

We are reaching new levels of pettinness here.

[ATAG_Flare]

1 hour ago, Rjel said:

More RAF skins I bloody weIl say. I like the Brits. I'm sure some of my ancestry is from there. It isn't widely known, but it was actually Americans who designed the Spitfire. And the Ju-88. Zero too. All of them actually. Saw it on Youtube.

 

Americans actually designed the Bf 109 and the Tiger Tank and the Bismarck was built in New York.

[unreasonable]

I think it is a reasonable question - but there is also a reasonable answer. The fact is that the RAF did not allow much customization of aircraft. Foreigners [edit in RAF service] were allowed a little more latitude, emotionally incontinent creatures as they are, needing little insignia and so on to feel happy. British pilots did not need any of that nonsense. 

 

So British squadron skins would all be pretty much the same except for the squadron letters and serial:  not particularly interesting for skin fetishists.

 

We shall no doubt see all sorts when the skin experts get going:  we need an Israeli and and Egyptian skin too.  

Edited May 25, 2018 by unreasonable

[Rjel]

27 minutes ago, ATAG_Flare said:

 

Americans actually designed the Bf 109 and the Tiger Tank and the Bismarck was built in New York.

The battleship or the jelly filled roll? 

[Bilbo_Baggins]

2 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

We are reaching new levels of pettinness here.

 

...Says the American!

 

Can you imagine if the P51 had more foreign skins than your Stars and Stripes? Let's be real here- that kind of thing would absolutely enrage the North Americans. Folks would be up in arms about it. 

 

The OP has been very reasonable, there's no need for the ridicule. Please keep it civil, gents.

[Avimimus]

8 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

That's assuming one believes there is a problem.

 

Generally speaking people in the Commonwealth have a right to be a little bit sensitive. With the exception of the Battle of Britain there has been almost no representation in simulators.

 

I've fought with the Might 8th in a dozen sims and never had a sim that modelled night bombing for instance - despite the fact that it was similar in scale and impact as the daylight campaign (and happened over a longer period of time, and had very high casualty rates). All because American studios and audiences were deemed to not be interested, and Russian studios assumed that night fighting would be boring or confusing for the player.

 

I grew up around a lot of veterans from that campaign, and read books at the library as a kid - but with the veterans gone and the books disappearing - and little artistic representation I fear we are forgetting here. Heck, I had two B-17 kits as a kid, but no Lancaster or Halifax - because only the American stuff was easily available.

[LukeFF]

52 minutes ago, Mcdaddy said:

 

...Says the American!

 

Can you imagine if the P51 had more foreign skins than your Stars and Stripes? Let's be real here- that kind of thing would absolutely enrage the North Americans. Folks would be up in arms about it. 

 

The OP has been very reasonable, there's no need for the ridicule. Please keep it civil, gents.

 

Enrage? LOL, talk about rhetoric. It wouldn't bother me in the least if they gave us a heavy helping of RAF Mustang skins. 

 

The OP is looking for a problem where there isn't one. 

[Danziger]

All I know is they better have a red tail P-51 skin ready if they want another penny from me and my 37 squad mates again...

[Voidhunger]

Please no, red tailed P-51 is op. I saw the movie. ?

[Bilbo_Baggins]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Enrage? LOL, talk about rhetoric. It wouldn't bother me in the least if they gave us a heavy helping of RAF Mustang skins. 

 

The OP is looking for a problem where there isn't one. 

 

Say what you like but we quite simply wouldn't hear the end of it if this were the North Americans without their P51 Stars and Stripes liveries as the majority. You can guarantee it. 

Edited May 25, 2018 by Mcdaddy

[Kurfurst]

13 hours ago, SqueakyS said:

There are more skins for American pilots than there are British pilots. In a Spitfire.

 

This is a small nitpick sure but there is only one British born pilot skin in the entire lineup. Its nice that there is a good mix of all the nations that flew for the RAF in the spitfire and I'm happy that most of them are represented but how did we end up with only one British born pilot in the entire lineup? Will all of the allied planes be getting such treatment? One American ace for the P-51 and the rest representing all the other nations that flew it?

 

Our thoughts and prayers with our fellow Spitfire pilots from Britain.

[150GCT_Veltro]

I think that the Mark.VIII was the "American" Spitfire, even if they did fly the Mark.IX too.

Edited May 25, 2018 by 150GCT_Veltro

[LukeFF]

26 minutes ago, Mcdaddy said:

Say what you like but we quite simply wouldn't hear the end of it if this were the North Americans without their P51 Stars and Stripes liveries as the majority. You can guarantee it. 

 

Last time I checked, I'm one of those North Mericans, and I'm failing to see where all the outrage would be. But hey, maybe I'm just weird like that.

 

On a side note, the small number of Merican Spitfire IX skins hardly constitutes the majority of stock skins included. So again, we have people trying to make an issue where there shouldn't be one. Using that sort of logic, we shouldn't have 2 Soviet skins either, especially since the type saw very little active service in the East.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Is there an area in the forum where I can see the skins. If not can someone post some screenshots please. I  will not be able to but the game for a couple of months.

 

Thanks

[PatCartier]

13 hours ago, SqueakyS said:

After counting there are actually three french pilots. One Free French, one French Recce and Pierre Clostermann. Do the devs not like Brits or something?

 

I don't think so : there is only Spad VII for Armée de l'Air in Flying Circus and plenty of british aircrafts...

Or french wings was dominant during WWI.

 

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Edited May 25, 2018 by PatCartier

[Haza]

I'm just hopeful that we don't get any Italian Spits as that would really confuse me in a dog-fight!

However, I believe that they used the MkVB, so we might see one eventually.

 

In saying that, although all of the aircraft skins look bloody amazing, I normally do not get to see any skins of the enemy close up (whether Allied or Axis) as they are either running from me or shooting me down, all usually from 500m-1000m away (2km away in the case of the Lagg-3), apart from when I'm in a Ju-52, as then I normally end up wearing the paint of the attacking fighters. 

 

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the skins or start a Monty Python "Biggusdickus", however, let's "Stone him".  

 

Regards

Edited May 25, 2018 by Haza

[ruby_monkey]

13 hours ago, SqueakyS said:

TBF there are an impressive amount of skins and a good veriety but Dave Glaser is the only one born in Britain.

 

After counting there are actually three french pilots. One Free French, one French Recce and Pierre Clostermann. Do the devs not like Brits or something?

The game engine doesn't support tin legs.

[Rjel]

25 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Last time I checked, I'm one of those North Mericans, and I'm failing to see where all the outrage would be. But hey, maybe I'm just weird like that.

 

Without a doubt, we colonials have been a pain in the Crown's arse for too long.

[Haza]

Just now, Rjel said:

Without a doubt, we colonials have been a pain in the Crown's arse for too long.

 

I guess it is just unfortunate that one set of former colonials are now just a pain in the arse for the rest of the World!

Perhaps the Brits got it right!! ?

Edited May 25, 2018 by Haza

[HBPencil]

I thought it interesting they included two MkVIII skins (the RAAF ones), but they do look good. As for RAF skins, the IX was the most produced variant, once we get a template there are a gazillion options for us to skin ?

[unreasonable]

52 minutes ago, Rjel said:

Without a doubt, we colonials have been a pain in the Crown's arse for too long.

 

But you see - you have spread our language and our ideas about law and property and representation, to the whole of the rest of the world that we had not already reached, without the crown having to spend a penny!

 

As a Brit I am pleased to see US skins: as LukeFF says the Yanks used a surprising number of them - and many of their pilots, I believe, enjoyed them greatly. The more the merrier. And to reiterate my previous point, the RAF simply did not allow much variation in it's British squadrons.  

[Haza]

Just now, unreasonable said:

 

But you see - you have spread our language and our ideas about law and property and representation, to the whole of the rest of the world that we had not already reached, without the crown having to spend a penny!

 

As a Brit I am pleased to see US skins: as LukeFF says the Yanks used a surprising number of them - and many of their pilots, I believe, enjoyed them greatly. The more the merrier. And to reiterate my previous point, the RAF simply did not allow much variation in it's British squadrons.  

 

Just a pity they didn't spread the correct way of spelling words!

I guess before 1066 the rest of the world had no idea about laws, property and representation!

Anyway, I thought it was the French that started it way back in 1066 or was it the Romans, or even perhaps the Greeks!?

Edited May 25, 2018 by Haza

[CanadaOne]

9 minutes ago, Haza said:

 

Just a pity they didn't spread the correct way of spelling words!

I guess before 1066 the rest of the world had no idea about laws, property and representation!

Anyway, I thought it was the French that started it way back in 1066 or was it the Romans, or even perhaps the Greeks!?

 

It was the Greeks. Though Socrates was born in Canada.

[Kurfurst]

23 minutes ago, Haza said:

I guess before 1066 the rest of the world had no idea about laws, property and representation!

Anyway, I thought it was the French that started it way back in 1066 or was it the Romans, or even perhaps the Greeks!?

 

Well, Romans had a fully codified civil law (which spanned back a thousand years already) some 1200 years before the US declared its independence and England became Great Britain, but hey, what did the Romans ever do for us (apart from the law, the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health of course)?

 

And Londinium, for that matter.

 

Edited May 25, 2018 by VO101Kurfurst

[unreasonable]

57 minutes ago, Haza said:

 

Just a pity they didn't spread the correct way of spelling words!

I guess before 1066 the rest of the world had no idea about laws, property and representation!

Anyway, I thought it was the French that started it way back in 1066 or was it the Romans, or even perhaps the Greeks!?

 

The common law, my dear fellow, is no one taught anything any more? [So Kurfust is right about that, in his own way but I am out of ticks....]   The British (and then US) system of law and government has been quite unlike that of the continent since Anglo-Saxons took over from the Romano-British.

 

Londinium existed before the Romans. After the Romans left, all the roads, aqueducts, schools etc fell down or were used as quarries, except for one exceptionally unsanitary public bath: in Bath.   So they get no credit for the modern versions.  

Edited May 25, 2018 by unreasonable

[Diggun]

First person to make me a pair of recce skins for the IX gets a gold star - PRU Blue and Recce Pink pleeeeease!