Planes to easy to Taxi and Take off

[unreasonable]

2 hours ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

I posted the no rudder take off before.

No real airplane can take off without rudder input (Maybe Aircoupe but that one has ailerons linked to rudder).

 

 

 

 

That maybe not enough:

 

 

Edited June 2, 2018 by unreasonable

[Hoss]

Grandpa said if it seems too easy yer not tryin hard enough!..................................

 

Cheers

 

Hoss

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@19/Hoss....

 

I really like your Avatar!  ?

[D3adCZE]

16 hours ago, 19//Rekt said:

I've just completed a very successful round of PTSD counseling from the times when landing the LaGG-3 or La-5

I cannot land Spitfire mk IX safely, it is so god damn floaty even without flaps, that I cannot hoover it above the airfield and force it to stall. All this without flaps. Last two times I tried to land this plane, I smashed the gear into my wings. The PTSD is real.

Edited June 6, 2018 by CSAF-D3adCZE

[Yogiflight]

41 minutes ago, jcomm-in-combat said:

I really like your Avatar!  ?

Which one of those two?

[unreasonable]

1 hour ago, CSAF-D3adCZE said:

I cannot land Spitfire mk IX safely, it is so god damn floaty even without flaps, that I cannot hoover it above the airfield and force it to stall. All this without flaps. Last two times I tried to land this plane, I smashed the gear into my wings. The PTSD is real.

 

You should not be forcing it to stall: you just fly down until your wheels are just off the ground, full tail down trim, power at idle or just above, about 100 mph, get into three point position slowly as the speed drops - and wait.   It lands itself with no obvious stall: be patient.  Now I have got used to flying it all the way down I find the Spitfires among the easiest to land.

 

My problem is bringing it to a stop without ground looping right at the end: I get it right often than not, now but you have to be absolutely concentrating on keeping dead straight or it gets away from you.

[D3adCZE]

1 hour ago, unreasonable said:

 

You should not be forcing it to stall: you just fly down until your wheels are just off the ground, full tail down trim, power at idle or just above, about 100 mph, get into three point position slowly as the speed drops - and wait.   It lands itself with no obvious stall: be patient.  Now I have got used to flying it all the way down I find the Spitfires among the easiest to land.

 

My problem is bringing it to a stop without ground looping right at the end: I get it right often than not, now but you have to be absolutely concentrating on keeping dead straight or it gets away from you.

Tail heavy trim might help, I will definitely try it out, thanks. So far I learned 1 critical thing: I cannot land it like 109 or 190 - 200kph IAS, flare out, 3 point attitude few feet above ground and wait for the plane to stall and sit on the runway. 

 

Is the difference in landing possible due to different tail trim mechanism? That german planes trim whole stab, and Spits have only small trim planes?

[unreasonable]

If you compare it with a 109 (and I think a 190) it sits on the ground much "flatter", ie less nose high. So it is going to land like that too. With a big wing it needs less AoA for lift at a given speed. This means it will slow down much less fast than the German fighters as you rotate to three point,  so the landing feels much less abrupt. Take a good look at the appearance of the ground before take off and aim for that angle at touch down.  Spitfires like it smooooth.

 

TBH I do not think that you should be stalling out 109s a few feet above the runway either.  

[D3adCZE]

42 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

If you compare it with a 109 (and I think a 190) it sits on the ground much "flatter", ie less nose high. So it is going to land like that too. With a big wing it needs less AoA for lift at a given speed. This means it will slow down much less fast than the German fighters as you rotate to three point,  so the landing feels much less abrupt. Take a good look at the appearance of the ground before take off and aim for that angle at touch down.  Spitfires like it smooooth.

 

TBH I do not think that you should be stalling out 109s a few feet above the runway either.  

I land all german planes in the same manner: slow to 280kph IAS, gear out, 0 throttle, 100% flaps, keep the slope to keep the approach speed, side slip in case if I am too fast, flare out into 3 point attitude and let it sit on it's own.

[DD_Perfesser]

2 hours ago, CSAF-D3adCZE said:

Tail heavy trim might help, I will definitely try it out, thanks. 

Think of elevator trim as your cruise control.  If you want to fly your approach at 200km you trim it to fly at 200 and adjust touchdown point with throttle or sideslip with very little elevator input till its time to flare for landing.

In all the planes I've flown here (except the Spit) full nose up trim is very close to a good approach speed.

Try that, see the effect when you drop gear and flap. 

Edited June 6, 2018 by DD_Perfesser

[SCG_motoadve]

Just now, DD_Perfesser said:

Think of elevator trim as your cruise control.  If you want to fly your approach at 200km you trim it to fly at 200 and adjust touchdown point with throttle or sideslip with very little elevator input till its time to flare for landing.

In all the planes I've flown here (except the Spit) full nose up trim is very close to a good approach speed.

You nailed, and this also applies in real airplanes.

[GridiroN]

Planes being far too easy to take off and land was a byproduct of the updated flight model. It's an alright trade off. I'm not overly bothered by it, but it did take away some of the skill ceiling to sim, which was unfortunate...

 

I remember spending two whole nights learning how to take off in the MiG properly. Now it doesn't care at all how it's handled. 

Edited June 24, 2018 by GridiroN