Want to buy a new monitor(size?)

[Roberts701]

Hello all

 

Coming back into gaming and flight sims after twelve years and was wondering what would be a good sized screen monitor for gaming. I have my eye on a 27" moniter LED 1920 x 1080 large format 16/9 with a 1m response time and was wondering is this a good choice for gaming and more so for my future buy of BOS.

 

There are quite a few sizes to be had so was just wondering, thanks in advance for any help or tips

Edited May 22, 2018 by Roberts701

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Screen size is mostly a matter of personal preference. The key is to get a balanced size that works well with the other specs and fits within the constraints of your desk. The following are some things that I look at when choosing a monitor:

1. Resolution. High resolutions show more detail, but require strong GPUs to run smoothly. 1920 x 1080 is very common now, but many people have moved to higher resolutions. What's your GPU?
2. Pixel density. The number of pixels per unit area affects the distance at which "jaggies" are visible. 1920 x 1080 can be somewhat low for a 27" monitor. 
3. Refresh rate. This describes the frequency at which the display draws images. 60 Hz is standard, but not great for gaming. Higher refresh rates improve responsiveness and reduce artifacts related to motion. 
4. Other technologies affecting responsiveness (e.g. G-Sync, FreeSync, ULMB, etc.). These can be quite intricate. Sometimes, they significantly increase prices.
5. Panel type (e.g. IPS, TN, VA). The choice can affect image quality and responsiveness. 

The monitor market is quite complicated. Carefully check monitor specs and read recent reviews to make sure that you're not paying for something silly. Vendors frequently make misleading and irrelevant claims. 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[Roberts701]

2 hours ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

Screen size is mostly a matter of personal preference. The key is to get a balanced size that works well with the other specs and fits within the constraints of your desk. The following are some things that I look at when choosing a monitor:

1. Resolution. High resolutions show more detail, but require strong GPUs to run smoothly. 1920 x 1080 is very common now, but many people have moved to higher resolutions. What's your GPU?
2. Pixel density. The number of pixels per unit area affects the distance at which "jaggies" are visible. 1920 x 1080 can be somewhat low for a 27" monitor. 
3. Refresh rate. This describes the frequency at which the display draws images. 60 Hz is standard, but not great for gaming. Higher refresh rates improve responsiveness and reduce artifacts related to motion. 
4. Other technologies affecting responsiveness (e.g. G-Sync, FreeSync, ULMB, etc.). These can be quite intricate. Sometimes, they significantly increase prices.
5. Panel type (e.g. IPS, TN, VA). The choice can affect image quality and responsiveness. 

The monitor market is quite complicated. Carefully check monitor specs and read recent reviews to make sure that you're not paying for something silly. Vendors frequently make misleading and irrelevant claims. 

Thanks for responding and good info Mitt

 

Oh wow i did not know it was so complicated the monitor was going for 200 Euros and was one of the cheaper ones and most of the others were a bit more expensive from 200/700 euros. I will be buying a computer with the screen and chose the below model. I guess i could go max 300 euros for a monitor, wife permitting

 

Processeur Quad-Core Intel Core i7-7700K (4.2 GHz)

Motherboard  MSI Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON

Ram 16 Go DDR4 2400 MHz

Graphic card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 Go

System disk SSD 180 Go Serial ATA 6Gb/s

Hard drive Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 SATA 6Gb/s 2 To

Tower Zalman Z11 Plus HF1

Alimentation modulaire 650W LDLC US-650G Quality Select 80PLUS Gold

 

I will also have a chat with the vendor as the store is a gaming kind of store so they will probably be able to recommend one. Yes monitors have become a lot more complicated since i last gamed, 15 yrs ago so thanks for the info you gave as i had know idea and would have brought the lesser one..

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

15 minutes ago, Roberts701 said:

Graphic card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 Go

 

The GTX 1060 is great for high/ultra settings at 1920 x 1080. You'll be able to use maximal antialiasing to keep the image smooth at 27". 

 

I'd be worried if you had either a much stronger or a weaker card, but it seems you're on the right track. 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[Roberts701]

Thanks for the info and taking the time to post, appreciated

[chiliwili69]

You have a quite good CPU, and very decent GPU.

 

IMHO, with a 300€ budget I would go for a 2K or 4K monitor 60Hz with no Free-sync or G-Sync with 27" or 28" (of course not before trying VR first... ;-) )

You PC will run 2K without problems always above 60Hz (60fps).

For 4K, you will probably loose some frames (below 60Hz) is dense scenarios.

 

About 3 years ago I was experimenting with a GTX970 and a 4K monitor with G-Sync at 60Hz.

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/13633-3840x2160-g-sync-and-one-gtx970/

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/32425-is-a-4k-display-worth-it/?do=findComment&comment=538688

 

look here at the monitor tabs:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gJmnz_nVxI6_dG_UYNCCpZVK2-f8NBy-y1gia77Hu_k

 

Bear on mind that with a 4K monitor you can always run it at 2K or FulHD. But you have a solid monitor for future PC upgrades.

 

If you would like to know how you will see a plane in FullHD or in 4K, look to this post:

 

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

 

6 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

You PC will run 2K without problems always above 60Hz (60fps).

For 4K, you will probably loose some frames (below 60Hz) is dense scenarios.

 

About 3 years ago I was experimenting with a GTX970 and a 4K monitor with G-Sync at 60Hz.

 

Keep in mind that requirements increased substantially with the Kuban update. For example, I know that a GTX 980 will frequently drop below 60 fps at 2560 x 1440 unless you lower some settings. 4K is really pushing it. 

 

Now, we even see very powerful cards (GTX 1080) going below 60 fps at maximal settings. Unless you can tolerate low frame rates or lowered settings, I'd recommend staying away from 4K. 

[chiliwili69]

16 hours ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

Keep in mind that requirements increased substantially with the Kuban update

Kuban increased the demand for CPU, not for GPU. The mountains in Kuban requires a more complex scene to be build, the bottleneck is CPU, not GPU.

 

A 1070 card (with a good CPU) at high settings has an avg fps of 92 in 4K monitor in a complex scenario (Balapan test), look at "Monitor 2.0" tab

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gJmnz_nVxI6_dG_UYNCCpZVK2-f8NBy-y1gia77Hu_k

 

I also think that it is better 4K or 2K with moderate settings than FullHD with max settings.

 

The instructions for the test are there. Anyone with a good CPU and a 1060 card can run the test at FullHD, 2K and 4K and report results.