fuel mixture and prop pitch after take off

[Roberts701]

Hello all

 

Just started IL2CLOD and engine management and am watching all the videos and guides that i can but have a couple of questions (i know that it has been asked a 1000 times but anyway )

 

Using the Hurricane MK 1 rotol 100ct : Once i am in the air after take off there is black smoke coming from the exhaust and the engine dies quickly, i have followed the take off procedure but was wondering about (when in the air). 

 

So my fuel mixture is rich for take off should i lower the mixture to lean once in the air and climbing also i should have prop pitch corse for take off and after lower it too around 80 once in the air?.

 

I also saw for assigning keys i can either go by increments or either rich/lean, would Rich & lean be enough or do i need the increments.

 

Any other tips on take off and more when in the air are welcome and thanks for reading.

 

P.S Other query, is it possible to start on the ground (engine off) in single player mode as i can not find it in the game menus. (Quick mission builder perhaps ?)

[LukeFF]

Might want to check the forum down below.

[BOO]

Forget the mixture - its irrelevant for the most part. You don't need to worry about unless you want to save some fuel when cruising. Other than that leave it as it is (you'll save more then enough fuel lowering your rpm and pitch in cruise). Its an auto rich arrangement so is intended to be used this way. 

 

Boost cut out isn't really needed for getting anything off the ground and the hurri should be fine assuming you've opened the radiator.

 

...is the radiator open? 

 

I'm not sure what the "fly all day" settings are anymore. For the hurri 100oct it used to be up to 100 throttle, 85 pitch , 75 rad  but you could push that upwards 9or downwards with the rad) quite a long way if the boost cut out was off. 

[Roberts701]

16 minutes ago, BOO said:

Forget the mixture - its irrelevant for the most part. You don't need to worry about unless you want to save some fuel when cruising. Other than that leave it as it is (you'll save more then enough fuel lowering your rpm and pitch in cruise). Its an auto rich arrangement so is intended to be used this way. 

 

Boost cut out isn't really needed for getting anything off the ground and the hurri should be fine assuming you've opened the radiator.

 

...is the radiator open? 

 

I'm not sure what the "fly all day" settings are anymore. For the hurri 100oct it used to be up to 100 throttle, 85 pitch , 75 rad  but you could push that upwards 9or downwards with the rad) quite a long way if the boost cut out was off. 

Yes radiator is open

 

I was having these problems on some of the online servers that use Full switch and my motor kept braking so was not sure what i was doing wrong. But yes i was using rich fuel mixture and not changing to lean after take off. So i do not need to touch fuel mixture even on the full switch servers then ?.

 

Thanks for the help.

[BOO]

1 hour ago, Roberts701 said:

Yes radiator is open

 

I was having these problems on some of the online servers that use Full switch and my motor kept braking so was not sure what i was doing wrong. But yes i was using rich fuel mixture and not changing to lean after take off. So i do not need to touch fuel mixture even on the full switch servers then ?.

 

Thanks for the help.

You shouldn't have to worry about the mixture in anything but the Italian stuff.

 

Hmmm...sounds like the engine is being starved of fuel. Not teaching you to suck eggs but are you noising the aircraft over from a steep climb perhaps? Are you on the main tanks (you should be on the gravity fed aux for take off in the RW but its a game so theres not currently any risk of an electrical failure). Shouldn't matter as I think all the quick missions start with full fuel. 

 

If your water is under 115 and oil under 95 all should be fine. The black exhaust smoke is usually due to fuel starvation.

 

For the hurri my old take off routine was:

 

Rads 100%

RPM (pitch) 100

Tap the brakes (in SP the brakes used to be engaged at spawn)

Apply some right rudder trim (or get ready with the rudder pedals if you got em)

Push the throttle firmly but gradually  to the wall

Stick forward at 60 to lift the tail

Balance in the plane to 90

Gently pull the stick back

Gentle climb (5 to 10 degrees) until the speed builds to 150 -clean up undercarriage on the way

 

No flaps - no Boost cut out

 

Once its up, rpms to 2750 (80-85%), Rad down to 75 (or further temp dependent) and throttle as you like

 

Currently there are no quick missions I can recall that start from cold (the Ai would be as likely to drive to Calais than fly there). The best option is a quiet server but you'll need a touch of patience for the engine to warm up. Other than that, drop into the ATAG server and look for ATAG_Marlow, or ATAG_Vampire, or D-Rock or FATAL ERROR or ATAG_Pattle. Any of those dudes would be happy to give you some time. For all its knockers CLOD on line and the ATAG remains the friendliest of Multi player games but that's not to say some of the ACG chaps wouldn't be just as helpful.

 

[Roberts701]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

You shouldn't have to worry about the mixture in anything but the Italian stuff.

 

Hmmm...sounds like the engine is being starved of fuel. Not teaching you to suck eggs but are you noising the aircraft over from a steep climb perhaps? Are you on the main tanks (you should be on the gravity fed aux for take off in the RW but its a game so theres not currently any risk of an electrical failure). Shouldn't matter as I think all the quick missions start with full fuel. 

 

If your water is under 115 and oil under 95 all should be fine. The black exhaust smoke is usually due to fuel starvation.

 

For the hurri my old take off routine was:

 

Rads 100%

RPM (pitch) 100

Tap the brakes (in SP the brakes used to be engaged at spawn)

Apply some right rudder trim (or get ready with the rudder pedals if you got em)

Push the throttle firmly but gradually  to the wall

Stick forward at 60 to lift the tail

Balance in the plane to 90

Gently pull the stick back

Gentle climb (5 to 10 degrees) until the speed builds to 150 -clean up undercarriage on the way

 

No flaps - no Boost cut out

 

Once its up, rpms to 2750 (80-85%), Rad down to 75 (or further temp dependent) and throttle as you like

 

Currently there are no quick missions I can recall that start from cold (the Ai would be as likely to drive to Calais than fly there). The best option is a quiet server but you'll need a touch of patience for the engine to warm up. Other than that, drop into the ATAG server and look for ATAG_Marlow, or ATAG_Vampire, or D-Rock or FATAL ERROR or ATAG_Pattle. Any of those dudes would be happy to give you some time. For all its knockers CLOD on line and the ATAG remains the friendliest of Multi player games but that's not to say some of the ACG chaps wouldn't be just as helpful.

 

Thanks Boo for explaining a little i appreciate all the help and yes i will definatly look for the pilots that you mentioned. 

[Buzzsaw]

Hello Roberts

 

I have moved this to the CLIFFS OF DOVER section.

 

First question:   Did you make sure your radiator was open?  Rad should be open 100% on takeoff, and I would recommend no less than 75% for normal flight considering you are a beginner and will have problems remembering to watch your temperature gauges.  100% open in combat.

 

As a beginner you should leave the mixture in rich all the time for all the British carbureted aircraft.

 

Only when you have some experience in flying should you consider switching to lean mix... and remember when you are running lean, you cannot exceed +0 boost and 2600 rpm in the Merlin engined types and +0 boost and 2400 rpm in the radials.  If you exceed these limits you will burn out your engine.

 

For the Italian aircraft, you do need to adjust the mix gradually to more lean as you gain altitude... but the changes are only one or two clicks.  Be careful not to adjust too lean or you will burn out your engine.

 

 

[Roberts701]

Thanks Buzzsaw

 

I have been practicing a bit from the advice i got and seem to be getting a little better at CEM, i am keeping my eye on the gauges and am figuring it out after multiple burnt out engines ha ha. Its a bit tricky to be honest but i will keep on practicing and familarize myself with the game before any real dogfighting.

 

Thanks for the help m8,

 

 

[BlindAsABat]

For the 100oct Hurricane once you are off the ground you can fly at 80/80/110* pretty much all the time.  Climbing hard at some altitudes with such settings may once in a while cause you a problem but in my experience that is pretty dang rare (and rarer under 4.5 than it was under 4.312).  I vary the throttle depending on what is going on but seldom if ever touch the prop pitch or radiator controls until I am coming into land when, if I remember, I put everything back to 100%.   It ain't realistic but it works.

 

*80% prop pitch, 80% radiator, 110% throttle (i.e. with the tit pulled)

[Sokol1]

On 21/05/2018 at 2:39 PM, Roberts701 said:

P.S Other query, is it possible to start on the ground (engine off) in single player mode as i can not find it in the game menus. (Quick mission builder perhaps ?)

 

Only one default QM allow take off - from Upavon (near Stonehenge), is "Cross Country", by click over Blenheim picture you can select any flyable plane -  BI-1 silhouette options is not functional... 

 

But this mission start with engine is ON - originally was OFF but was changed after some official patch for whatever reason...

 

The training QM in the link bellow allow start with engine OFF - from runway and so avoid the unpleasant CloD taxi, but is set for Luftwaffe, so you will fly in an "captured" Hurricane.

 

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/Downloads.php?do=download&downloadid=4

 

Anyway, set a Single Mission* for one plane take in Full Mission Builder (FMB) is simple, just place 2 waypoints and set the first as take-off, then save. 

CloD don't have a true Quick Mission Builder.

 

* For this Single Mission became a QM is need move their  files from missions\single folder to mission\quick folder (attention to the 's') inside:

 

...\Documents\1SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\

 

FMB save missions only in single folder.

 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Sokol1

[Roberts701]

On 5/22/2018 at 7:59 PM, Sokol1 said:

 

Only one default QM allow take off - from Upavon (near Stonehenge), is "Cross Country", by click over Blenheim picture you can select any flyable plane -  BI-1 silhouette options is not functional... 

 

But this mission start with engine is ON - originally was OFF but was changed after some official patch for whatever reason...

 

The training QM in the link bellow allow start with engine OFF - from runway and so avoid the unpleasant CloD taxi, but is set for Luftwaffe, so you will fly in an "captured" Hurricane.

 

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/Downloads.php?do=download&downloadid=4

 

Anyway, set a Single Mission* for one plane take in Full Mission Builder (FMB) is simple, just place 2 waypoints and set the first as take-off, then save. 

CloD don't have a true Quick Mission Builder.

 

* For this Single Mission became a QM is need move their  files from missions\single folder to mission\quick folder (attention to the 's') inside:

 

...\Documents\1SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\

 

FMB save missions only in single folder.

 

Thanks Sokol just what i needed.?