HE-177

[Bolt1]

I am eagerly anticipating the arrival of Bodenplatte and all the things going on with it , but I have a question concerning adding a certain late war Luftwaffe bomber to the mix along with maybe a couple of Allied bombers later on . I would like to see the He-177 Grief added to this upcoming sim , the attention to detail the developers have for each plane is impeccable , developing  and adding this plane if it has enough backing , would be a great addition to the sim ,  so why not add it to the best ?  I hope you consider it and hopefully others would agree , let's start a He-177 thread and see if we can fund the development and get it done .

 

 

V/R

Bolt

Edited May 19, 2018 by Bolt1

[=27=Davesteu]

There is a quite similar thread getting out of hand right now located just below yours.

Short answer:
He 177 was largely phased out by this time consuming too much fuel.
Most Luftwaffe Kampfgeschwader disbanded or reformed, few remaining and not very active with their bases mostly located outside of the BoBP map.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'd love to see bombers, attack planes, transports, fighters, whatever in the sim at every chance we get. There are limits to what the dev team can do and unfortunately bombers are just bigger efforts so we'll definitely see fewer of them.

 

There's also the issue of history. On the Allied side, yes, absolutely there's plenty of bombers to choose from and ones that were active during the time period that the devs have set out. Even active within the tactical air forces that Bodenplatte is focused on. But on the German side? I'm having trouble finding any. He177 would be a rare sight indeed.

 

Name the squadron and the aircraft type and I will jump on the bandwagon for it though

[ZachariasX]

The less documentation there is about a plane, the less you can expect it to appear in the game.

[rmmoran9]

I dfiently think they should add the he177, also i wana know does il-2 1946 have the he 177?

[PatrickAWlson]

He177 might be interesting in a 1944 module.  Still, it's a 4 engine plane and that is viewed as a sticking point.  It is also very complex, with four engines driving two props.  That could be a flight and damage model nightmare.

[[TWB]80hd]

46 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

He177 might be interesting in a 1944 module.  Still, it's a 4 engine plane and that is viewed as a sticking point.  It is also very complex, with four engines driving two props.  That could be a flight and damage model nightmare.

 

Shhhhhhh the Fuhrer thinks it's only a 2-engine plane, do you want to get us all killed?!

[Yogiflight]

3 hours ago, german12345 said:

also i wana know does il-2 1946 have the he 177?

It was not modelled in IL-2 1946 itself, but there was a mod for the He 177. But I never had it installed, so I can't say how good it was.

[Enceladus828]

3 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

It was not modelled in IL-2 1946 itself, but there was a mod for the He 177. But I never had it installed, so I can't say how good it was.

The He-177A-3 became flyable in Patch 4.14.1 (the current patch).

 

Great airplane to fly. You can even bomb Moscow.

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, PatrickAWlson said:

That could be a flight and damage model nightmare.

It actually was a flight and damage model nightmare.

[Yogiflight]

1 minute ago, Enceladus said:

The He-177A-3 became flyable in Patch 4.14.1 (the current patch).

 

Great airplane to fly. You can even bomb Moscow.

Intersting. It is quite some time, since I was in the old game. I gotta look if it is in the Steam version.

[crewchief]

I can understand that you might want a He 177 but the amount of research involved would be huge (assuming the documentation exists) Really it is a pretty marginal aircraft. It would surely be far more help to the game in general if the B-17, B-24, B-26 and Lancaster were provided as non-flyable aircraft with the clear understanding that they were not going to be made flyable. All four of these aircraft are major to both Normandy and the Rheinland maps. B-17 and B-24 would add a huge area to the game that is not there at the moment and provide a suitable goal for those who fly Luftwaffe and have sore throats as well as P-51 jockeys. We have got that unsung hero the Hawker Typhoon for which I thank you sincerely but would the devs consider a Meteor? 

 

Pip pip 
Ouston

 

 

[Winkysmith]

7 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

It actually was a flight and damage model nightmare.

Yes, it certainly was that. It didn’t even have an engine firewall for lack of space.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

To have the He-177, we would also need the Battle of The Atlantic. 

[Motherbrain]

I'd rather have a Ju188. It would fit better with Bodenplatte and Normandy and would give the Germans a much needed late war bomber.

 

 

But for the most part asking for aircraft is a waste of effort. The developers have a plan for what they want to create and they stick to it. Anything new needs a whole new module to justify.

 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Motherbrain

[Avimimus]

I tend to think of it in terms of utility:

 

The He-177, Do-217E, Do-217K and Do-217M were all withdrawn in the second half of 1944. The Ju-88, Ju-188, and Ju-388 formed the bombing force going into 1945.

However, the Ju-188 enters service a bit later than the Do-217E and He-177. The ones that are least useful are the Do-217K and Do-217M, since they had the shortest service lives.

 

I really like the Ju-188 cockpit though - probably the most elegant ever designed for an aircraft.

[Alexmarine]

On 12/11/2021 at 8:50 PM, Avimimus said:

The Ju-88, Ju-188, and Ju-388 formed the bombing force going into 1945.

 

 

Going into 1945 there was no Ju-88/188/388 bombing force: of the seven KG operating on Junkers models in late 1944 only KG26 (with torpedo equipped Ju-88 and Ju-188) survived into the last year of the war without being ordered disbanded or converted to fighters or other models. Moreover, KG26 was not deployed in Germany in this period but it was in northern Norway operating in the anti-shipping role. The only two KG left in either the Western or Eastern front properly in the very last months of the war were the He-111 equipped KG53 (which also had a Gruppe operating in the V1 launch role against the western allies) and KG4.

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

Going into 1945 there was no Ju-88/188/388 bombing force: of the seven KG operating on Junkers models in late 1944 only KG26 (with torpedo equipped Ju-88 and Ju-188) survived into the last year of the war without being ordered disbanded or converted to fighters or other models. Moreover, KG26 was not deployed in Germany in this period but it was in northern Norway operating in the anti-shipping role. The only two KG left in either the Western or Eastern front properly in the very last months of the war were the He-111 equipped KG53 (which also had a Gruppe operating in the V1 launch role against the western allies) and KG4.

 

Ah, thanks!

 

I rather foolishly was going off an OKL order which would have seen five gruppen of Ju-188/388 as the last piston engined night bombers lasting until the middle of 1945 before being replaced. Obviously, it didn't happen.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Will they be adding both missions it flew to it's campaign?

[[TWB]80hd]

The He-177 is asked for in every sim, and the arguments against it are usually the same.  I would love to see the He-177 modeled in IL-2 if only because I know they would do a better job than that chingadera free to play goat rodeo (which I believe is the only "playable" He-177, at least that I am aware of, and I say playable instead of flyable for the same reason).

 

There were almost 1,200 airframes completed, which is far more than many aircraft already modeled/being modeled, but my take on why it doesn't fit the current development strategy:

 

1. It's a massive aircraft. 

• Wingspan-wise it would just edge the Ju-52 as the largest in the game, total wing-area being the only aspect where the Ju-52 is larger.  Length and height are significantly greater than any other modeled airframe.
• She thicc.  More than 50% higher empty weight than the next closest birds and absolutely dwarfs everything currently available from a maximum bombload standpoint.  So from both an overall modeling standpoint and a gameplay standpoint it would be a big outlier.
• Couple this with the fact that the dev team has stated in the past that they will not be producing strategic 4-engined bombers, even the fact that the Grief is technically two DB610s (which I am sure would be a challenge in and of itself to accurately model) and was used on the eastern front to deliver its bombs in a shallow dive rather than conventional level bombing in some cases, it would still be out of place in relation to the rest of the plane set.

2. It's not very well known.  If the Eastern Front had the marketing team that the Pacific War did (forget about the propaganda blitz on the Western Front), more people would know about the He-177's service than "Nazi engine don't work good!"  You slap a P-51 in game, hundreds of middle aged passive aggressive Americans are lining up to buy it (I mean, it won the war by itself).  You announce a CAC Boomerang, half of Australia is pre-ordering (that's at least 500 orders right there).  You start talking He-177, and the best that happens is every shut-in single-player-only oracle will make a pilgrimage to share their take on how it will literally ruin the game.

 

 

3. There is no feasible continuing benefit of the work required for the He-177 paying off dividends on other projects.  The He-274 prototypes were completed by the French and the He-277 (what the He-177 should have been) was a cocktail napkin only (some parts were built, rumor has it).  It would be the ostensible recipient of dev work already done (e.g., assuming there is a 3d model of the DB605 inside the cowling in-game, the 3d model of the DB610 would ostensibly start with smashing two of those existing models together; we already have the defensive guns modeled, and I think all the coventional bombs), but I can't readily think of anything intrinsic to what would have to be created out of whole cloth for the He-177 that would be useful elsewhere.

 

That alllllll said, I would pay $30 for the He-177 as a one-off collector plane, because it's an awesome looking piece of hardware, the speed and defensive armament would make it a challenge for Allied fighters, and the bombload would make long, high-altitude flights worthwhile (assuming every server didn't immediately neuter the load-out options.

Edited December 14, 2021 by 80hd

[LukeFF]

Equally important is that reference information on the interior is incomplete, last time I checked. Plus, yeah, it's one yuge interior. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Make mine an H8k, Sunderland, or PBY.

 

Thanks.

[CUJO_1970]

Yes, He-177 please and thank you ?