Why are there no Yak7s or Spitfires available in the final Kuban phase?

[spamRoast]

Why are there no Yak7s or Spitfires available in the final phase of the Kuban career (Novorossiysk - Taman Operation)? The second to last phase has 16 fighter units with all fighters available aside from the P-40, but the final phase only has 5 fighter units and it excludes the P-40, La5, Yak7b, and Spitfire. Some of the unit histories give some sort of an idea (some units moved or converted for example), but it's interesting that Yak7s and Spitfires would fight up to the last phase then not participate in the final operation. I don't know the history of this theatre at all. Was it historically accurate that Yak7s and Spits didn't participate in this phase or is this just due to the choice of units we have in game... or something else?

Edited May 12, 2018 by obit

[dburne]

I would love to see a little larger phase of operations for the Spit, would be nice.

 

I myself don't know what is accurate or not...

[Trooper117]

Have a read of this... http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/spit/

[Herne]

The Dev's and I think Blacksix particularly did a huge amount of research for the campaigns. If the spit has a tight window, then it represents the period that 57 GIAP were flying the spit operationally

[MeoW.Scharfi]

They took the 20-30 Spits Vbs back of the operational service at end of june. Reason for this was the spare part shortage for the Spitfire. 

Edited May 12, 2018 by MeoW.Scharfi

[spamRoast]

2 hours ago, =FEW=Herne said:

The Dev's and I think Blacksix particularly did a huge amount of research for the campaigns. If the spit has a tight window, then it represents the period that 57 GIAP were flying the spit operationally

1 hour ago, MeoW.Scharfi said:

They took the 20-30 Spits Vbs back of the operational service at end of june. Reason for this was the spare part shortage for the Spitfire. 

 

Oh, cool. So there's actually historical accuracy to it. I sort of assumed that was the case. I'm still amazed at how much work has gone into creating so much depth and realism in this sim.

 

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Have a read of this... http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/spit/

 

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about above. The fact that I can read actual history like this then go into the game, join the 57th, and be at the actual airfields they were at and participate in (similar) battles that they fought makes this that much more "real"... in a fun, stay at home and not die sort of "real". 

 

I looked at the units that had Yak7bs in The calm before the storm and it looks like they all were transferred away by Sept 1st 1943 which is before the N-T operation started so it makes sense now.

 

TL;DR Yak7s were diminished and/or transferred and the Spits had no parts. The 57th began flying P-39s after that because the Soviets were receiving more from the Americans by then.

 

Edited May 12, 2018 by obit

[BlackSix]

15 hours ago, obit said:

I looked at the units that had Yak7bs in The calm before the storm and it looks like they all were transferred away by Sept 1st 1943 which is before the N-T operation started so it makes sense now.

By mid-June, after losing most of its aircraft, all Yak-7b regiments were recalled to the rear for rest and re-equipment where they remained in the General Headquarters reserve until July-September 1943. The main Soviet fighters at the late phases of Kuban battle (July - October 1943) were late series of LaGG-3. Also there were one Yak-1 regiment and P-39 and P-40 Navy regiments

[seafireliv]

I tend not to argue about aircraft in cases like this, as these guys tend to know what they`re talking about and have done the research!

[spamRoast]

22 hours ago, obit said:

I looked at the units that had Yak7bs in The calm before the storm and it looks like they all were transferred away by Sept 1st 1943 which is before the N-T operation started so it makes sense now.

6 hours ago, BlackSix said:

By mid-June, after losing most of its aircraft, all Yak-7b regiments were recalled to the rear for rest and re-equipment where they remained in the General Headquarters reserve until July-September 1943. The main Soviet fighters at the late phases of Kuban battle (July - October 1943) were late series of LaGG-3. Also there were one Yak-1 regiment and P-39 and P-40 Navy regiments

Thanks for answering! Yeah, when I said they were transferred by Sept 1st and therefore didn't fight in the final phase, I just meant that's when the Yak7 units were transferred to "278th IAD of the 3rd IAK of the 8th Air Army of the Southern Front" (judging by game text) so that was my simple answer as to why they didn't fight in the final phase, but I should've clarified what's said in the game and what you said. They were depleted and pulled away to regroup months before then.

 

2 hours ago, seafireliv said:

I tend not to argue about aircraft in cases like this, as these guys tend to know what they`re talking about and have done the research!

 

I definitely wasn't trying to argue either. I know close to nothing about this theater and I knew literally nothing about the units so there's nothing that I could argue lol. I very much respect the research they've put into all of this. This post was more about curiosity and learning more about this operation and why certain planes didn't participate.

Edited May 13, 2018 by obit

[Finkeren]

It is always, and I mean always, okay to ask. You raised the question in a polite and respectful manner and that’s exactly what this forum is for.

[Field-Ops]

I'd say this is reason enough for a LaGG 3 Ser. 66!!

[[CPT]milopugdog]

4 hours ago, Field-Ops said:

I'd say this is reason enough for a LaGG 3 Ser. 66!!

I would support such a cause. Maybe get a pack of a BoK and BoM LaGG-3???

I honestly find the lack of early Soviet fighters a little saddening as it lies.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Yeah, an early LaGG-3 and a Yak-1 would be nice for Moscow...