P-40E-1 or MC.202 Series VIII

[Adger]

Hi All as ive previously mentioned im loving this sim. Some of the mods are fantastic and im really enjoying the career mode (flying the Mig) at the moment.

 

Im looking to purchase one of the above mentioned planes and im looking for any advice as to which one? Pros,and Cons of each im still single playing at the moment but playing Multiplayer is certainly on my radar once i become more "Accustomed" to the BOX series.

 

Also do both planes feature on both BOS and BOM maps? thanks in advance for any replies..safe flying everyone

Edited May 10, 2018 by Adger

[LukeFF]

5 minutes ago, Adger said:

Also do both planes feature on both BOS and BOM maps?

 

Yes

[-SF-Disarray]

Both planes are competitive, though I feel the 202 has a bit of an edge over the P-40. The P-40 is a bit more complicated to fly, more engine management, but dives well and packs a punch with it's 6 .50's. The plane can also take an impressive amount of abuse before going down. The 202 on the other hand is very maneuverable and decently fast, especially if you activate the boost mode. The stock armament on the 202, 2 .50 MG's in the nose and 2 wing mounted .30's, is sufficient for killing just about anything but the plane can be up gunned with 2 20 mm cannons replacing the wing mounted MG's. The 202 isn't quite as robust as the P-40 but it takes a punch better than 109's in most cases. The biggest problem I have run into with these planes is friendly fire in MP. For whatever reason 109 pilots love shooting up 202's. On the Soviet side there are some people that have trouble seeing a P-40 for the friend it is, I'm guilty of this a few times

[Porkins]

Full disclosure, I have not flown either of these, but I've flown against them plenty and am familiar with their real life historical performance. I think which one depends on your style. If you want a nimble fighter with good maneuverability, go with the 202. If you want a good "boom and zoom" plane that packs a powerful punch, go with the 40. 

[Adger]

Thanks to you all..I think il purchase the MC.202,i love quick maneuverable fighters.

Cheers Guys

[Guest deleted@134347]

mc202 hands down. But you'll be cursing for a week before you'll get a handle on it. May be 2 weeks. Or a month.    It has a smaller frame, so it offers a much smaller target area for the newbie shooters, however the pros will take you down anyway.  It takes a massive discipline to fly this plane to retain every oz of the energy, because if you don't you will lose it in two seconds. The gunsight is .. Italian...  i'm sure you'll be questioning about the design decision there, however if you forget about it and try to feel it out you'll be much better off in the long run.

[Adger]

1 minute ago, moosya said:

mc202 hands down. But you'll be cursing for a week before you'll get a handle on it. May be 2 weeks. Or a month.    It has a smaller frame, so it offers a much smaller target area for the newbie shooters, however the pros will take you down anyway.  It takes a massive discipline to fly this plane to retain every oz of the energy, because if you don't you will lose it in two seconds. The gunsight is .. Italian...  i'm sure you'll be questioning about the design decision there, however if you forget about it and try to feel it out you'll be much better off in the long run.

Haha Thanks Moosya,most new planes i learn have me cursing so it,ll be nothing new

Cheers for your input mate.

[Guest deleted@134347]

Just now, Adger said:

Haha Thanks Moosya,most new planes i learn have me cursing so it,ll be nothing new

Cheers for your input mate.

oh.. oh.. this one is super 'special'..   i.e. like very very special..  

 

but it's also my favorite plane. I love this little machine.

[-SF-Disarray]

One thing I forgot to mention about the 202 is it has advanced ruler based fuel gauge technology. Really this is light years ahead of it's time. Rather than one of those dumb, old fashioned, and frankly absurd round fuel gauges on other inferior planes it has the 'wave of the future fuel ruler gauge' down the right side of the cockpit. By far it's best feature, I don't know how I forgot about it.

[Adger]

4 minutes ago, Disarray said:

One thing I forgot to mention about the 202 is it has advanced ruler based fuel gauge technology. Really this is light years ahead of it's time. Rather than one of those dumb, old fashioned, and frankly absurd round fuel gauges on other inferior planes it has the 'wave of the future fuel ruler gauge' down the right side of the cockpit. By far it's best feature, I don't know how I forgot about it.

Thanks Disarray for your input pal..Massively appreciated. 

 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

I see P-40s online regularly.  Mc202s hardly ever.  You might have a rough time downing Pe2's or Il2s in the 202 there.  So depending on what you want to do with it, that might make a difference.

Edited May 10, 2018 by hrafnkolbrandr

[Guest deleted@134347]

6 minutes ago, Disarray said:

One thing I forgot to mention about the 202 is it has advanced ruler based fuel gauge technology. Really this is light years ahead of it's time. Rather than one of those dumb, old fashioned, and frankly absurd round fuel gauges on other inferior planes it has the 'wave of the future fuel ruler gauge' down the right side of the cockpit. By far it's best feature, I don't know how I forgot about it.

 

and in fact it was so advanced that it took me 2 months to finally find it! Or, let's say, figure out what the hell it was for...

[Adger]

14 minutes ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

I see P-40s online regularly.  Mc202s hardly ever.  You might have a rough time downing Pe2's or Il2s in the 202 there.  So depending on what you want to do with it, that might make a difference.

 

I think it,ll be a while until i venture into MP territory Hrafnkolbrandr.

Im still finding my way (badly) i may add in SP but thank you for your advice..Cheers

[-TBC-AeroAce]

With 40 % off atm get both

[Jade_Monkey]

Macchi is more fun but the armament is kinf of weak. I am not a fan of the P40 and how it flies.

[150GCT_Veltro]

Good choice, some original documents for you, in Italian.

[Ehret]

11 hours ago, Disarray said:

For whatever reason 109 pilots love shooting up 202's. On the Soviet side there are some people that have trouble seeing a P-40 for the friend it is, I'm guilty of this a few times

 

The 202 has very similar radiators configuration to the Soviet fighters and fuselage kind of reminds of the Mig3. Similar situation to the P-40' wings (at least from the top) and canopy similar to the 109'.

[Adger]

7 hours ago, AeroAce said:

With 40 % off atm get both

 

My daughters bloody horse vet bills have just landed Aero..thing is a pay them and the bloody thing hates me (the horse not my daughter) .

il be picking up the 202 when I finish work later..cheers Aero

[Herne]

they are both great to fly. I think you will enjoy either one of them no matter which you pick. You can always pick the other up a little later.

[Eicio]

10 hours ago, moosya said:

The gunsight is .. Italian...  i'm sure you'll be questioning about the design decision there,

 

IMHO italian gunsights are the best so it's rather subjective.

10 hours ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

I see P-40s online regularly.  Mc202s hardly ever.

 

100% true, I think that the mc202 is much more forgiving for rookies but a well handled p40 might be more dangerous at a point that it's still used on theaters like Stalingrad and kuban.

On the contruary the only 202 I saw were... easy preys...

 

And btw dont even think to attack pe2 ans Il-2 with it, it's armament is way to weak and the italian .50 are nowhere near comparable to the US .50

[Guest deleted@50488]

Initially I didn't like the P40E, but it became one of my preferred aircraft to fly in IL2-BoX.

 

I would surely pick that one, although not saying the MC.202 isn't great too...

[150GCT_Veltro]

Safat 7,7 were removed (fiedmod) by pilots as soon as Macchi did arrive to the wing. Safat 12,7 with explosive ammo were more than enough. To reduce weight you can remove 7,7 aswell.

 

Later in the war, the San Giorgio gunsight was this one, not only for 205 but also for the latest serie of 202

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[Ehret]

32 minutes ago, Eicio said:

And btw dont even think to attack pe2 ans Il-2 with it, it's armament is way to weak and the italian .50 are nowhere near comparable to the US .50

 

However, they have a decent change of igniting fires and the ammo reserve is (400 rpg) generous. Very nice for long bursts in tracking shoots.

 

Nice perk of the 202 is that as long you keep her in 400-500km/h band she will stay coordinated by herself - that asymmetrical wing is doing something.

 

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

19 minutes ago, 150GCT_Veltro said:

Safat 7,7 were removed (fiedmod) by pilots as soon as Macchi did arrive to the wing. Safat 12,7 with explosive ammo were more than enough. To reduce weight you can remove 7,7 aswell.

 

Later in the war, the San Giorgio gunsight was this one, not only for 205 but also for the latest serie of 202

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Really wish we had this sight in game, the other one is by far the worst gunsight I have ever used. I even prefer those silly maginified ones on the Ki 43 

[150GCT_Veltro]

Neither in the ETO, nor in the MTO but only in the Italian front. What we have now is the correct version for ETO.

 

Here you can see the new gunsight on a Macchi 205 III Serie ANR, 1944 (at the beginning and at the end of the video). Somentimes it was also a German REVI.

 

[Feathered_IV]

Just choose the shape that you like the most.  Both the Macchi and the P-40 are just fighters.  They will not bring anything else to the table with regards to gameplay that the other default fighters do not supply already.  

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

1 hour ago, 150GCT_Veltro said:

Neither in the ETO, nor in the MTO but only in the Italian front. What we have now is the correct version for ETO.

 

Here you can see the new gunsight on a Macchi 205 III Serie ANR, 1944 (at the beginning and at the end of the video). Somentimes it was also a German REVI.

 

 

Yes the sight we have is correct unfortunately 

[Eicio]

It's funny how many people dislike it, why do you hate it so much ? It's very similar to the US ones.

[Venturi]

This thread does not address the real differences.

 

The P-40 does not climb as well as the Macchi. Its engine power falls off rapidly above 4km altitude wheras the Macchi's will fare better.

On the other hand, the P-40 is more forgiving in slow speed maneuvers or at the edge of the flight envelope, it gives much more flexibility in ground strike weaponry, and has overwhelming gun firepower as compared to the two paltry, low velocity, slow-firing Breda 12.7mm of the Macchi.

 

Additionally, the P-40 arrives at a timeframe when the competing aircraft in the Soviet lineup are all very different (Mig-3, LaGG-3, I-16). The Macchi comes in with the 109E-7 and 109F-2 - all these three are broadly similar aircraft with broadly similar performance envelopes - so the choice for the German pilot will usually be the Friedrich when available, whereas the red side's capabilities will be more varied with the addition of the P-40 to the stable.

 

Both P-40 and Macchi are not novice's aircraft, although I find both airframes to be equally durable. Buy both while they're on sale.

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

3 hours ago, Eicio said:

It's funny how many people dislike it, why do you hate it so much ? It's very similar to the US ones.

 

I don't hate it but I sure don't love it, the US style seems to be a lot thinner with the reticle and I like that, the mc202 has a real thick one that is very spaced out. Not so much the lines of the reticle, but more so the size and thickness of it.

 

Won't keep me from flying the 202 though, one of my favourite's to take to the sky in! 

 

[Adger]

Thanks for all your replies i decided on the MC202 and hopefully grab the P-40 very soon im gonna fire her up soon.

Really looking forward to testing..it sounds like its a favorite plane for some of you. Cheers as always guys

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

They both have a unique style, it might be a small challange at first but you have to understand both of these planes reward patience and control. Happy hunting!

[Walrusboy]

The P-40. Why? Because it's the only plane with 6 .50s in the wing right now, and enough ammo to figure out where to point 'em. :D

[Adger]

Purchased the MC-202 took her for a quick spin.wow what a nifty little fighter. Thanks again for all the advice.

 

A massive thanks to Farky who most generously gifted me the P-40 what a great gift,this community is arguably the most giving and helpful that I've come across. Fantastic group of members and a great sim,that I'm really enjoying.

Thank you all.

[Cybermat47]

I think that the MC.202 is underrated. The most succesful P-40 pilot of all time, Group Captain Clive Caldwell of the RAAF, flew against 202s in Africa. He said that, if not for the light armament, it would have been one of the best fighters of the entire war.