Why can't we have a Luger and Tokarev?

[69th_Ustio]

Sure it will be rather pointless but why not? ROF has pistols, and especially with the upcomming PO-2 i think it needs a little bit more of a "self defense"

 

Edited May 6, 2018 by Ustioo

[Trooper117]

This isn't WWI... How on earth are you going to aim a pistol and fire it at 400 kph from an enclosed cockpit ???

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Rather hanging in the Chute, defending yourself from Chute Killers.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I don't see anything wrong with including sidearms, even if only for completeness. They were never particularly useful in the air-to-air role, even during the Great War. 

 

Interestingly, the Il-2 game files contain leftover references to these pistols. That said, I imagine that the developers have other things to worry about at this time. Perhaps they could eventually trickle down through Flying Circus. 

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, Ustioo said:

Sure it will be rather pointless

 

There's your answer.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

You're flying a hurtling death machine at several hundred kilometers per hour.  Surely you can find a better way to kill yourself.

[BOO]

As an on enjoyer of the Ju52 im very disappointed that a good book and a nice packed lunch isn't available in the options. 

[Feathered_IV]

[Frenchy56]

3 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

Rather hanging in the Chute, defending yourself from Chute Killers.

You know, someone might have shot down a Jap plane in the Pacific this way.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_J._Baggett

Edited May 6, 2018 by Frenchy56

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Some are already using the flaregun to rack some airkills.

[Trooper117]

Ah, so it's the stat whores that need them... thought as much.

[69th_Ustio]

8 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

This isn't WWI... How on earth are you going to aim a pistol and fire it at 400 kph from an enclosed cockpit ???

 

6 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

There's your answer.

 

What about when you are in a stall fight?

Edited May 6, 2018 by Ustioo

[Trooper117]

I'm into flight sims, not arcade games... it's that simple.

[danielprates]

11 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

 Is this from band of brothers? IIRC he shot himself accidentally as soon as he got his coveted luger!

 

If the idea is to have some realism or even a bit of immersion after bailing out,  I think the sidearm is a bit pointless. But i would welcome a random chance to come out injured,  for instance,  springing an anckle, leaving you in sickbay for a few days or weeks in career mode.

Edited May 6, 2018 by danielprates

[BlitzPig_EL]

Luftwaffe pilots were typically armed with Walther PP or PPK pistols in 7.65 Browning (.32 ACP) caliber.

 

The P.08 (Luger in common parlance), was not only functionally obsolete (Too expensive, too mechanically complex, too trouble prone, though still issued to ground troops, but really replaced by the Walther P.38), it was really fairly bulky to be carried by a fighter pilot, especially in the rather tight confines of a Bf 109.

[Sharpe43]

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/last-dogfight-of-wwii-in-europe-was-between-two-spotter-planesfiring-pistols-at-each-other-the-german-aircraft-was-destroyed.html

 

The final dogfight of World War II may be the most unusual of all the air-to-air combat missions in the entire war. On April 12, 1945, two Americans in an L-4 Grasshopper were flying low on a routine scouting mission near Berlin when they came upon a German Fieseler Storch spotter plane flying even lower.

Neither airplane was configured for fighting but the Americans, having the superior air position, opened their doors and began firing their service pistols at the German plane. As the Storch tried to evade their fire, he brushed the ground with one wing and crashed. The Americans landed nearby, provided first aid and captured the Germans.

It is the only known instance where a WWII aircraft was brought down with only pistols.

 

In reference to the above I can kind of see where the OP is coming from, but then, we would also need to have 1911s..

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Were they credited?

[Danziger]

Probably because we would have to deal with countless threads about how the German pistols are nerfed and underpowered while the Soviet laser sniper anti tank pistols are way too OP. The Luger's mine rounds don't deal enough damage...

[Frenchy56]

.45 strong

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

On 5/5/2018 at 11:19 PM, Ustioo said:

Sure it will be rather pointless but why not? ROF has pistols, and especially with the upcomming PO-2 i think it needs a little bit more of a "self defense"

 

Answered your own question.

[angus26]

2 minutes ago, Space_Ghost said:

 

Answered your own question.

He just wanted to dip his balls in the pointless discussions scattered on the forums.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

10 minutes ago, angus26 said:

He just wanted to dip his balls in the pointless discussions scattered on the forums.

 

If you dip your balls in every meandering discussion on these boards you just end up with a toxic outlook and a wrinkled sack.

[Avimimus]

The code is there from Rise of Flight.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

The code is there from Rise of Flight.

 

So? The code for balloons is also there. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Why can't we have period correct cranes?

[216th_Jordan]

I've shot down planes with flareguns when ammo was gone but its rather cumbersome. I'd go for the real guns

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

2 minutes ago, 216th_Jordan said:

I've shot down planes with flareguns when ammo was gone but its rather cumbersome. I'd go for the real guns

 

Flares are also super OP.

 

Especially Russian ones. 

 

No evidence - just an assertion of FACT.

 

/s

[falle96]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

So? The code for balloons is also there. 

I mean, barrage balloons were a thing...

[Nil]

Maybe one day, we could just get off the plane, use pistol, take a car or an another plane.

I guess we can still dream...

But I know one day, my dream will come true. 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

34 minutes ago, FarflungWanderer said:

I mean, barrage balloons were a thing...

There are balloons on the Moscow map.

[BOO]

7 minutes ago, 1./TG1_Nil said:

Maybe one day, we could just get off the plane, use pistol, take a car or an another plane.

I guess we can still dream...

But I know one day, my dream will come true. 

Isnt that GTA V?

[falle96]

42 minutes ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

There are balloons on the Moscow map.

Ah, I didn't know that. I haven't been able to play BoM, been away at college, and I look forward to flying there in just a few days time...

[NETSCAPE]

22 minutes ago, raaaid said:

i want hand grnades with samll parachutes to throw at the guys at my six

 

In "Memoirs of a Stuka Pilot" by Helmut Mahlke, they threw rolls of toilet paper out of the Stuka's to confuse British fighters because early in the war the Stuka's were not provided fighter escort. The Brits didn't know what to think of the new German wonder weapon and immediately disengaged when they saw huge stretches of white objects flying at them... eventually the Brits caught on and eventually the Stuka bro's got their 109 cover. 

 

[Trog1odyte]

[Avimimus]

On 07/05/2018 at 1:14 PM, LukeFF said:

 

So? The code for balloons is also there. 

 

So, you are saying that there is useful code for barrage balloons and observation balloons in WWII (a real thing)?

[InProgress]

I own replica of colt 1911 and Luger(bb gun), obsolete or not, it's way better to carry. Way lighter, more comfortable to aim and just better in my opinion. And looks pretty awesome good gun for officer. P38 does not look so good but i assume it was better. Still i really like german pistols, heavier where you hold them and front of gun is really light. If you hold it longer it's big difference while 1911 is pulling barrel down.

[BlitzPig_EL]

You cannot compare toys to real firearms.

 

Simple as that.

[Gambit21]

There is ZERO point in firearms...but I still secretly want one.

[InProgress]

5 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

You cannot compare toys to real firearms.

 

Simple as that.

It's replica not a toy... often real guns with removed ability to be used as a gun. Not a plastic toy.. And i compared handling it and not shooting. It's like saying you can't compare replica build tank with real tank just because it can't shoot..

And the same goes for real guns I can use on shooting range. Luger is more fun to hold with light barrel than typical pistol, just my opinion.

Edited May 10, 2018 by InProgress

[BlitzPig_EL]

Having shot all of the REAL ones myself,  I'd take the P.38 over the P.08 any day if really going into harm's way.  More accurate, more reliable, easier to maintain in the field.

 

And I'd also do just what the Luftwaffe did if I was a fighter pilot, carry the PP or PPK.