Mosquito in Bodenplatte?

[=27=Davesteu]

28 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

What bases on the map did RAF Mitchells operate from? Did any USAAF 9th AF B-26s have airfields on the map?

• RAF Mitchell: 98 Sqn, 180 Sqn and 320 (Netherlands) Sqn at Melsbroek

• USAAF A-20G/J (later A-26) and RAF Havoc units were stationed outside the BoBP map during the BoBP timeframe

• USAAF B-26 units were stationed outside the BoBP map during the BoBP timeframe*

  *: 449 BS and 452 BS of 422 BG moved to Le Culot, Belgium, on 26 March and 31 March 1945, respectively (last days of the BoBP-timeframe) 

 

52 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

Why put a Typhoon and a Mosquito up against eachother? 

I see no reason for not having both. 

Resources.

[Feathered_IV]

7 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Will the radar in the a/c be historic or modern? Historic style radar might be to much for many.

 

I was thinking neither.  I would hope instead that the radar was handled by the AI navigator next to you.  You get to watch the instruments and the moon while he murmurs in your ear; Contact, bearing 330... angels 15

[Lusekofte]

8 hours ago, =27=Davesteu said:

Resources

? 

 

So if we wish for a Typhoon, we’ll get it?

and if we ask for a Mossie as well, we wont?

 

how come you got an idea about resources ?

do you believe we actually gonna get it?

 

[=27=Davesteu]

1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

So if we wish for a Typhoon, we’ll get it? and if we ask for a Mossie as well, we wont?

how come you got an idea about resources ? do you believe we actually gonna get it?

To begin with, nobody put the Mosquito and the Typhoon up against each other. You were asking for "it all" and that's just not going to happen.

 

Mitchell II: very likely (AI-only version included in BoBP); Ar 234 B-2: very likely (engine model can be carried over from Me 262); Spitfire Mk. XIV: likely (much asked for Spitfire hot rod); Typhoon Ib: possible (2nd TAF's mainstay)

Four important collector aircraft; there are five standalone collector aircraft available in the shop right now - they are going to be busy for a while.

The Mosquito and the (better fitting) P-61 are nowhere near as important.

Edited August 1, 2019 by =27=Davesteu

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, =27=Davesteu said:

The Mosquito and the (better fitting) P-61 are nowhere near as important.

 

The P-61 is better fitting, the Mosquito is way more important in the big picture.

Easy call IMHO.

[ROCKET_KNUT]

An air war sim in the WW2 timeframe w/o a Mossie would cause a very, very sad Knut. On the other hand, has a P-61 ever been done before? Would fit into a PTO aswell... So, I'm looking forward to see both some day!?

Edited August 1, 2019 by ROCKET_KNUT

[=27=Davesteu]

16 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

1 hour ago, =27=Davesteu said:

The Mosquito and the (better fitting) P-61 are nowhere near as important.

The P-61 is better fitting, the Mosquito is way more important in the big picture. Easy call IMHO.

You missed my point.

The Mosquito and the (better fitting) P-61 are nowhere near as important as the the Mitchell II, Ar 234 B-2, Spitfire Mk. XIV, and Typhoon Ib.

[-332FG-Gordon200]

Here are some photos of a Mossie at Oshkosh last week. What a beautiful bird.

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/dh98-mosquito-at-oshkosh.51625/

 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2019 by Gordon200

[Dogbert1953]

On 7/18/2019 at 3:00 AM, Jade_Monkey said:

 

That's the attitude. 

 

It's the only bloody atitude.

 

My money, my decision and my choice.

[sevenless]

On 8/1/2019 at 7:38 AM, LuseKofte said:

how come you got an idea about resources ?

do you believe we actually gonna get it?

 

Nobody except the devs know what makes good business and what not. They will tell us if they plan to produce something we might buy. As long as they don´t announce something attractive they can´t earn money. Everything else is pure speculation. Maybe end of October we will know more about their plans with regard to collector planes.

[Bremspropeller]

On 8/1/2019 at 10:13 AM, =27=Davesteu said:

The Mosquito and the (better fitting) P-61 are nowhere near as important as the the Mitchell II, Ar 234 B-2, Spitfire Mk. XIV, and Typhoon Ib.

 

Different airplanes mean different things to different people.

 

I don't see the Ar 234 as a priority at all.

[DD_fruitbat]

49 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Different airplanes mean different things to different people.

 

I don't see the Ar 234 as a priority at all.

 

 

This.

 

For me the Spitfire MK XIV, Typhoon Ib and Bf109 G10 much more important, due to actual numbers that actually flew on a daily basis during the campaign, rather than exotics, which had a minimal involvement despite being quite interesting.

 

Would  love a mossie though that said!!

Edited August 3, 2019 by DD_fruitbat

[Rjel]

2 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Nobody except the devs know what makes good business and what not. They will tell us if they plan to produce something we might buy. As long as they don´t announce something attractive they can´t earn money. Everything else is pure speculation. Maybe end of October we will know more about their plans with regard to collector planes.

So true. Few of the airplanes we have so far in BoX wouldn't be considered iconic in the WWII time period. Maybe the only one would be the Mc.202, even though it is a personal favorite of mine. In that regard, I see the Mosquito as essential in any WWII setting. As cool as the P-61 is, it seems more interesting only in its technology as a night fighter. While the P-61 may have flown intruder missions late in the war, the Mosquito was a much more well rounded aircraft, capable of a much larger multi purpose role in WWII. It's actual accomplishments support that, IMO.

[Lusekofte]

I would not mind a bomber in bobp. Not including Typhoon is almost unbelievable in my mind. 

I rather have it than the Tempest. But that is me. 

I simply react on people arguing on what shall be or not.  

Talking like they know what recourses available. 

We know shit, and it is for all to wish , without any patronizing bs thrown their way. 

This is business, time is money. 3 full packs on their way. I am not sure there is going to be any extras

 

[BraveSirRobin]

40 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

 

This.

 

For me the Spitfire MK XIV, Typhoon Ib and Bf109 G10 much more important, due to actual numbers that actually flew on a daily basis during the campaign, rather than exotics, which had a minimal involvement despite being quite interesting.

 

Would  love a mossie though that said!!

 

They probably want to save the G10 for a late war VVS module.

[DD_fruitbat]

2 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

They probably want to save the G10 for a late war VVS module.

 

Well, i suppose that would make sense, maybe with an A9 as well.

 

What were the service dates for the G6 AS? Could also possibly fit for either scenario?

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

if you dont mean Oleg's wonder AS(M)....... very late 43 beginning 44 IIRC

[DD_fruitbat]

8 minutes ago, III/JG53Frankyboy said:

if you dont mean Oleg's wonder AS(M)....... very late 43 beginning 44 IIRC

 

I thought it finished production around feb/march 44, although could well be mistaken.

 

I was mainly musing about eastern front with that one, i would hazard a guess there were a few still in service late 44 there, but i doubt any still in service on the western front late 44.

Edited August 3, 2019 by DD_fruitbat

[Rjel]

2 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

I would not mind a bomber in bobp. Not including Typhoon is almost unbelievable in my mind. 

I rather have it than the Tempest. But that is me. 

I simply react on people arguing on what shall be or not.  

Talking like they know what recourses available. 

We know shit, and it is for all to wish , without any patronizing bs thrown their way. 

This is business, time is money. 3 full packs on their way. I am not sure there is going to be any extras

 

We are a supportive and compassionate community in regards to where we hope this series goes. I do think that bodes well for its future. It's been a great ride so far.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

37 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

I thought it finished production around feb/march 44, although could well be mistaken.

 

I was mainly musing about eastern front with that one, i would hazard a guess there were a few still in service late 44 there, but i doubt any still in service on the western front late 44.

the few G6AS produced were mainly used in the west, flying high cover for other fighterunits attacking the US big ones, at least that was the idea

 

the Eastern Front was not the right playing field for this engine : DB605AS = DB605A with the bigger supercharger of the DB603 to get a FTH of around 7000m !

[MiloMorai]

There was only 1 G-6/AS produced in Sept '44. All others were conversions from kits.

[Sublime]

21 hours ago, Rjel said:

So true. Few of the airplanes we have so far in BoX wouldn't be considered iconic in the WWII time period. Maybe the only one would be the Mc.202, even though it is a personal favorite of mine. In that regard, I see the Mosquito as essential in any WWII setting. As cool as the P-61 is, it seems more interesting only in its technology as a night fighter. While the P-61 may have flown intruder missions late in the war, the Mosquito was a much more well rounded aircraft, capable of a much larger multi purpose role in WWII. It's actual accomplishments support that, IMO.

I hacent really heard of people pining for

Hs129s

Po2s

Or Laggs as "iconic" ww2 ac

[EAF19_Marsh]

Does Mossie not count (and -234) on account of their being a little different, rarely modelled and add to the tac. air aspect of Bp? Typhoon, G-10, XIV all good, but the light bombers would add more variety and offer more to those less focussed on fighter.

 

Just my view.

[Bremspropeller]

The Typhoon and Spit XIV would also count as "rarely seen in sims".

 

The Mossie offers the most mission-diversity per buck, though.

[EAF19_Marsh]

55 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

The Typhoon and Spit XIV would also count as "rarely seen in sims".

 

The Mossie offers the most mission-diversity per buck, though.

 

Yes, that was a much better summary.

[Rjel]

1 hour ago, Sublime said:

I hacent really heard of people pining for

Hs129s

Po2s

Or Laggs as "iconic" ww2 ac

To my mind, iconic in this case would mean aircraft that significantly contributed to their given combat arena. Successful or not, they were used in larger numbers and for a longer period than was the Mc202. In that regard both the Hs 129 and the LaGG represent that to me. The Po2s exists in this sim more because it was used as a test vehicle for another team to introduce aircraft into this sim. Whether that means iconic or not is an argument that could be made. 

[HylaHyla]

The Mossie is a must for this game.  So many variants, such adaptability and effective in all assigned tasks, plus it looks like a dream. PLEASE developers include this as a Bodenplatte aircraft. If you want to bolster your economic intake, it's a no-brainer.

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, Rjel said:

The Po2s exists in this sim

Oh the po 2 is as iconic as it gets without being a spit or a P 51

Spit became a icon due to propaganda in bob first. If you look at statistics that is unfair for the hurri. But it did not get long before it earned it on its own.

 Quite a lot happened in a po2 and night witches made it a icon

[Sublime]

6 hours ago, Rjel said:

To my mind, iconic in this case would mean aircraft that significantly contributed to their given combat arena. Successful or not, they were used in larger numbers and for a longer period than was the Mc202. In that regard both the Hs 129 and the LaGG represent that to me. The Po2s exists in this sim more because it was used as a test vehicle for another team to introduce aircraft into this sim. Whether that means iconic or not is an argument that could be made. 

Oh I agree. - Im not only.talking about how actually good they were. For better of worse though the hot rod and better performers seem to have caught the publics memory and historians more so than others.  For example the P51D is iconic to most people, where the P39 isnt unless your into the history

[=621=Samikatz]

22 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

The Typhoon and Spit XIV would also count as "rarely seen in sims".

 

Hell, neither were in vanilla 1946 as I recall

 

As I recall, the justification for the Tempest over the Typhoon is they wanted the RAF to have a real high speed fighter competitive with the lufties, and the IXe was difficult to exclude because of how common it was. The options were basically

 

Spit IXe/Spit XIV - Very similar, less variety than the Tempest provides

Typhoon/Spit XIV - IXe is the most common plane over the continent and really hard to leave out

Typhoon/Tempest - Can you imagine the forum if there was no Spitfire in an expansion with the RAF?

Spit IXe/Typhoon - No genuine frontline fighter for the RAF. Without 150 oct the RAF would be stuck with 1943 performance aircraft mostly used as fighter-bombers

Tempest/Spit XIV - Opposite problem, no aircraft regularly outfitted with ordnance. Both less common than their older siblings

[danielprates]

21 hours ago, Rjel said:

To my mind, iconic in this case would mean aircraft that significantly contributed to their given combat arena. Successful or not, they were used in larger numbers and for a longer period than was the Mc202. In that regard both the Hs 129 and the LaGG represent that to me. The Po2s exists in this sim more because it was used as a test vehicle for another team to introduce aircraft into this sim. Whether that means iconic or not is an argument that could be made. 

 

This is an interesting argument. We want the game to have only aircraft that excelled, or "iconic" ones too regardless of how well they did? I for one think that a sim with nothing but hot rods is boring. On the other hand the Fairey Battle was iconic too, in some sense of the word. The ju52 is a good mix of "iconiqueness", a very good addition to the game and an excellent example that we need more than just high performance fighters.

 

The Mosquito for sure was "iconic", in the good sense of the word.

[Rjel]

57 minutes ago, danielprates said:

 

This is an interesting argument. We want the game to have only aircraft that excelled, or "iconic" ones too regardless of how well they did? I for one think that a sim with nothing but hot rods is boring. On the other hand the Fairey Battle was iconic too, in some sense of the word. The ju52 is a good mix of "iconiqueness", a very good addition to the game and an excellent example that we need more than just high performance fighters.

 

The Mosquito for sure was "iconic", in the good sense of the word.

No I don't think one needs to look at high performance aircraft as only those that would qualify as iconic. The Hurricane wasn't and yet is recognized as iconic for its accomplishment. The same could be said for the U. S. Navy's F4F Wildcat and the Dauntless SBD. Neither was a hot rod but without them the war in the Pacific likely would have been lost. 

[danielprates]

1 hour ago, Rjel said:

No I don't think one needs to look at high performance aircraft as only those that would qualify as iconic. The Hurricane wasn't and yet is recognized as iconic for its accomplishment. The same could be said for the U. S. Navy's F4F Wildcat and the Dauntless SBD. Neither was a hot rod but without them the war in the Pacific likely would have been lost. 

 

I for one would also love to see underdogs like the ones you quoted!

[w00dy]

I went to the East Kirkby air show at the weekend and they had there Mosquito, which they have been restoring doing taxi runs. They are also restoring a Lancaster and they had them taxing together.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=wjorBCm1MzU

Edited August 5, 2019 by w00dy

[busdriver]

1 hour ago, w00dy said:

I went to the East Kirkby air show at the weekend and they had there Mosquito, which they have been restoring doing taxi runs.

 

Very nice NF Mk.II in 169 Sqdn markings. Thanks for sharing. 

[Herne]

18 hours ago, w00dy said:

I went to the East Kirkby air show at the weekend and they had there Mosquito, which they have been restoring doing taxi runs. They are also restoring a Lancaster and they had them taxing together.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=wjorBCm1MzU

 

Looks almost airworthy, wonder what bureaucratic hoops are left for it to jump through to be seen in the skies once more.

Would love to see that Lancaster taxiing too if you happened to record it ?

[Lusekofte]

37 minutes ago, ACG_Herne said:

 

Looks almost airworthy, wonder what bureaucratic hoops are left for it to jump through to be seen in the skies once more.

Would love to see that Lancaster taxiing too if you happened to record it ?

In such restitations they usually get control and approval step by step. If it can taxi it is probably just waiting for papers. 

[Dirt_Merchant]

On 7/20/2019 at 7:39 AM, I./ZG1_Krokodilor said:

Mosquito? No one needs a heavy fighters/ bombers, because they are boring and pure cannon fodder (just as the 110 G2).

They rather should make some cool, interesting and well selling aircrafts like the MK XIV, P47 M, Ta 152, Mustang MK III, He 162 , or the G10, this is the stuff wich the community wants!

 

 

 

Speak for yourself. You're only entitled to your own opinion not that of the community.

 

Full mix of aircraft types are needed, after all fighters only exist to establish air superiority for bombers to do their job.

[Sublime]

19 minutes ago, [_FLAPS_]Dirt_Merchant said:

 

Speak for yourself. You're only entitled to your own opinion not that of the community.

 

Full mix of aircraft types are needed, after all fighters only exist to establish air superiority for bombers to do their job.

He said he was kidding.. He actually flies the 110 alot and well too apparently.

I made the same error

[Dirt_Merchant]

55 minutes ago, Sublime said:

He said he was kidding.. He actually flies the 110 alot and well too apparently.

I made the same error

 

 

oh good, i come in with a hit after the whistle - embarrassing! Thanks for the heads up, and apologies @I./ZG1_Krokodilor.