Is Ju-87 automatic dive recovery system working in the game?

[MicEzo]

Is it possible to use automatic dive recovery system in Ju-87?

 

I remember in old legacy IL2 the system worked (with preset recovery altitude if i remember correctly).

 

BTW. Did some other planes like Ju-88 or Pe-2 have similar systems? What about Dauntless or Val?

Edited May 3, 2018 by MicEzo

[303_Bies]

1) I think this system do not work, unfortunately. What is very strange considering how detailed other systems are. I don't know the reason.

 

2) Ju-88 also had automatic recovery system http://pl.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1znyicy&s=4#.WuseKOJuLI4 and

it is also lacking the feature in the game. 

 

3) SBD Dauntless didn't have similar system. D3A Val and Pe-2 - i don't know.

[1./KG4_OldJames]

I read (and reposted) that most ju87 pilots had this facility disabled due to the fact that it forced the aircraft to fly straight and level,  much to the delight of the aaa batteries. True, or false? You decide! 

 But in game it is not available.

[MicEzo]

Do you know what is the reason why the system do not work in the game?

Did developers say something about that? It doesn't like complicated.

I also remembert it worked in old IL2 Sturmovik.

[SCG_OpticFlow]

21 hours ago, bies said:

1) I think this system do not work, unfortunately. What is very strange considering how detailed other systems are. I don't know the reason.

 

2) Ju-88 also had automatic recovery system http://pl.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1znyicy&s=4#.WuseKOJuLI4 and

it is also lacking the feature in the game. 

 

3) SBD Dauntless didn't have similar system. D3A Val and Pe-2 - i don't know.

 

They are also both missing the dive bombing sight, Stuvi. It was used to compute the bomb impact point during dive. http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.com/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/r/Reflexvisiere/BZA_1/BZA 1.html

[fjacobsen]

One explanation is the one about that in real life they where removed as told in a post above.

for a long time ago though, the dev’s said they would look onto somewhere in the future.

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, MicEzo said:

Do you know what is the reason why the system do not work in the game?

Did developers say something about that? It doesn't like complicated.

I also remembert it worked in old IL2 Sturmovik.

 

Because it's never been modeled.

[Royal_Flight]

On 04/05/2018 at 4:44 PM, LukeFF said:

 

Because it's never been modeled.

 

Then this begs the question why was it never modelled. 

And why no Stuvi sight?

[Tyberan]

Probably busy fixing all the other stuff everyone whinges about or making expansions to keep the series alive.

 

can you still dive bomb in the Stuka without it? - yup

 

so why need it. 

[seafireliv]

So the Stuka has no auto-dive bomb recovery? That seems to be a big thing to miss in the sim. I was just reading up on Stukas yesterday and it mentioned the auto-pull out.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Because the Stuka was the lazer guided precision weapon of its day, you can dive bomb with nearly any of the planes in game, but none have any precision, including the Stuka.

[MicEzo]

17 hours ago, Tyberan said:

can you still dive bomb in the Stuka without it? - yup

 

so why need it. 

Do not be mean.

 

Can you still hit the aircraft without reflector gunsight using just mechanical? - yup

so why need it.

 

Can you still fly the aircraft without trimers? - yup.

so why need it.

 

Can you still land the spitfire without flaps? - yup.

so why need it.

 

etc etc.

 

Automatic dive recovery system in Ju-87 increases your precision of bomb droping because of the comfort you are going to be recovered instead of hitting the ground after you focus fully on target instead of altimeter.

Edited May 14, 2018 by MicEzo

[Tyberan]

im Not being mean just being realistic. I mean if it took a programmer a couple of weeks doing the automatic recover instead of say fine tuning an FM, what would you prefer? For a feature that maybe 5% of players use, I mean how many still fly the Stuka now days.

 

obviously the devs have to prioritise some features over others for the sake of profitability and efficiency of their time, profit which will see the series continue I’m all for it. 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2018 by Tyberan

[303_Bies]

22 minutes ago, Tyberan said:

I mean if it took a programmer a couple of weeks doing the automatic recover

Couple of hours you should say It was implemented in old IL2 Sturmovik.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I don't see why they could not just make a more aggressive auto level that will work from a dive or take some of the autopilot routines and adjust it. I don't see it as being technically hard but just something that is not at the top of their list.

 

EDIT I have no idea how the real thing worked. Did you have to pre-set the alt for recovery?

Edited May 14, 2018 by AeroAce

[303_Bies]

From coding point of view it is very easy to implement. They have to have some other reason.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

They did disable it as it made pullout and recovery too predictable for flak, detailed in this book... https://www.amazon.com/Memoirs-Stuka-Pilot-Helmit-Mahlke-ebook/dp/B00ISYMY4U 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2018 by [CPT]Pike*HarryM
added snippet from book

[seafireliv]

Interesting. But I think some of you are missing the point:  The option to use the auto-pull out was there, should it not be so for the Player User also? And he can decided whether to disable it or not?

 

I do imagine some pilots in game thinking, "The Stuka`s leaving it a bit late, but no problem, it`ll pull me out!" and finding themselves being shocked by hitting hard dirt!

Edited May 16, 2018 by seafireliv

[angus26]

Personally, let’s just let the devs work on all the projects going on. With three separate projects, I think they have their hands full right now.