l-16 cannon tracer?

[Sandinourcoffee6]

When I fire the cannons on the l-16 I get no tracer effect,is this correct or do I have a bug in my game?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Historically correct - before a certain time, the 20mm weren't loaded with a tracer compound.

[Voidhunger]

Its correct.

[Lensman]

On the plus side: more rounds.

[Sandinourcoffee6]

Ok thanks for the info

[Yogiflight]

56 minutes ago, Lensman said:

On the plus side: more rounds.

Could you please explain this?

[Frenchy56]

If you haven't noticed, you don't get any tracers with the La's and the MiG's with the cannon loadout either.

[56RAF_Roblex]

39 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

Could you please explain this?

 

Tracers are extra rounds that do no damage (other than maybe a small incendiary effect with some)   mixed in with the actual rounds so instead of having 1 tracer after every 4 cannon rounds you just have five cannon rounds.

Edited April 23, 2018 by 56RAF_Roblex

[Pupo]

 

33 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

Tracers are extra rounds that do no damage (other than maybe a small incendiary effect with some)   mixed in with the actual rounds so instead of having 1 tracer after every 4 cannon rounds you just have five cannon rounds.

 

That is not true at all. Both in reality and in-game. In reality, most tracer ammo doubled as incendiary ammo or an explosive round. In the game there  is no difference between the damage model of a tracer round and a non-tracer round. It's just a visual effect.

Edited April 23, 2018 by Pupo

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

27 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

Tracers are extra rounds that do no damage (other than maybe a small incendiary effect with some)   mixed in with the actual rounds so instead of having 1 tracer after every 4 cannon rounds you just have five cannon rounds.

Solid projectiles will certainly do damage regardless of the tracer. Furthermore, there existed 20 mm tracer ammunition that also had a sizeable HE load. 

[ethelward]

5 hours ago, Frenchy56 said:

If you haven't noticed, you don't get any tracers with the La's and the MiG's with the cannon loadout either.

 

You have tracers in the La-5, unless you take the pure AP ammo belt.

[LukeFF]

"Tracer rounds removed from ShVAK autocannons for Battle of Moscow timeframe planes because they were produced later in 1942"

 

[Bilbo_Baggins]

8 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

Tracers are extra rounds that do no damage (other than maybe a small incendiary effect with some)  

 

You take LaGG-3 with 23mm HE tracer loadout, then come back and report how many wings, pilot kills and entire 109 tail sections you took off.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Mcdaddy

[56RAF_Roblex]

9 hours ago, Mcdaddy said:

 

You take LaGG-3 with 23mm HE tracer loadout, then come back and report how many wings, pilot kills and entire 109 tail sections you took off.

 

So you are saying the 23mm loadout has nothing but 23mm tracers in it, no normal 23mm shells?

17 hours ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

Solid projectiles will certainly do damage regardless of the tracer. Furthermore, there existed 20 mm tracer ammunition that also had a sizeable HE load. 

 

The I-16 used one TP-T shell for every four HE rounds.  The TP-T was an empty solid head projectile with tracer in the base.

[Pupo]

28 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

So you are saying the 23mm loadout has nothing but 23mm tracers in it, no normal 23mm shells?

 

In game there are no differences between a tracer vs a non-tracer round. They share the same ballistics, damage model, impact VFX, etc.. The only difference is that a tracer round gets a a VFX for its path.

 

33 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

The I-16 used one TP-T shell for every four HE rounds.  The TP-T was an empty solid head projectile with tracer in the base.

 

Even an Inert 96gr bullet fired at 770 m/s will still do some significant damage.  AFAIK, AP and HE tracer rounds were also available at some point.

[Danziger]

1 hour ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

TP-T was an empty solid head projectile with tracer in the base.

What exactly does it mean "empty solid"?

[CrazyDuck]

1 hour ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

The TP-T was an empty solid head projectile with tracer in the base.

 

In other words, that's ball type ammo (with tracer).

[Danziger]

I'm not sure about Russian 12.7 but American 12.7 tracer rounds do just as much damage as non-tracer rounds.

[JaffaCake]

12 hours ago, Mcdaddy said:

 

You take LaGG-3 with 23mm HE tracer loadout, then come back and report how many wings, pilot kills and entire 109 tail sections you took off.

 

 

This is an issue with HE damage, or more specifically crazy high AP damage. Which appears to have been fixed to some extent in the latest version.

[56RAF_Roblex]

32 minutes ago, BorysVorobyov said:

What exactly does it mean "empty solid"?

 

Sorry. I missed a comma.   It should have been 'Empty, solid-head'   Basically instead of explosives it was filled with an inert substance to give it the same ballistics as the HE round. They used a target practice round to get their tracer.

 

If it makes it easier to visualise:-  For every five HE shells hitting the target, one failed to detonate.   Without tracers all five detonated so giving a 25% increase in HE damage.     People are arguing that the 'Game' version does identical HE damage so we may as well load nothing but tracers but I cannot comment on the truth of that.   

Edited April 24, 2018 by 56RAF_Roblex

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

3 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

People are arguing that the 'Game' version does identical HE damage so we may as well load nothing but tracers but I cannot comment on the truth of that. 

In the game files, there doesn't seem to be any connection between tracers and projectile damage.