P-40 vs P-39

[56RAF_Roblex]

I think we can agree that in real life  *all* fighters setting out on a general sortie where there is no urgency and fuel might be an issue would use the economy setting at least until they reach the combat area. I think we can also agree that 99% of us, whatever side we are flying, might use reduced settings initially but don't use economy settings unless we are forced to by realising we might not have enough fuel to get home.  It is stupid to call it unrealistic to not do the same as the original pilots. It's a game,  we have different priorities.  We don't care about fuel shortages or prolonging a probably action-less patrol as long as possible. We know we will probably see action and want to find it quickly.   My squad has used economy settings but only when we were escorting bombers on a very long raid using escorts that barely have the range to do it.

Edited April 18, 2018 by 56RAF_Roblex

[Feathered_IV]

First time flying it, and I find my P-39 engine sounds are very poor.  Without being melodramatic it sounds like a washing machine with a heavy load.  The sound is not steady, but rather sounds like a very short sample played over and over again.  A sort of rhythmic laboring like it is struggling to operate.  This is when player controlled and when on autopilot.  Is this normal?

[CrazyDuck]

26 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

First time flying it, and I find my P-39 engine sounds are very poor.  Without being melodramatic it sounds like a washing machine with a heavy load.  The sound is not steady, but rather sounds like a very short sample played over and over again.  A sort of rhythmic laboring like it is struggling to operate.  This is when player controlled and when on autopilot.  Is this normal?

 

LOL I guess so. My association when I first heard this sound was about my first car in student years ages ago - driving in reverse that lump of metal sounded exactly the same! :D

[Mauf]

On 4/18/2018 at 10:49 AM, 56RAF_Roblex said:

I think we can agree that in real life  *all* fighters setting out on a general sortie where there is no urgency and fuel might be an issue would use the economy setting at least until they reach the combat area. I think we can also agree that 99% of us, whatever side we are flying, might use reduced settings initially but don't use economy settings unless we are forced to by realising we might not have enough fuel to get home.  It is stupid to call it unrealistic to not do the same as the original pilots. It's a game,  we have different priorities.  We don't care about fuel shortages or prolonging a probably action-less patrol as long as possible. We know we will probably see action and want to find it quickly.   My squad has used economy settings but only when we were escorting bombers on a very long raid using escorts that barely have the range to do it.

 

Agreed with one addendum: For me, this changes once I'm in a setting where I don't have GPS on the map. The moment where I have to navigate on my own, having to reorient myself after a dogfight and whatnot, I'm happy about every little precious drop of fuel I have in my tank and I avoid high settings for just that reason. Every bit of fuel I save gives me more time if I need to get my bearings and plot my new course back home. When there's no icons on the minimap, I rarely fly direct line from my current location to my airfield or target and rather pick a course along more obvious landmarks to not get lost often requiring a longer flight.

 

In other words: if you create the proper situation, people would adopt the more realistic behaviour sooner or later.

[Art-J]

6 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

First time flying it, and I find my P-39 engine sounds are very poor.  Without being melodramatic it sounds like a washing machine with a heavy load.  The sound is not steady, but rather sounds like a very short sample played over and over again.  A sort of rhythmic laboring like it is struggling to operate.  This is when player controlled and when on autopilot.  Is this normal?

 

Yup, it is what it is. I like the generally more beefy sound of this plane compared to P-40 and prefer it actually, but the effect you mention technically shouldn't be there indeed, as it happens only in twin engined planes with props running a bit out of sync (which leads me to believe they might have used some P-38 in-cockpit recordings to create samples for the Cobra).

 

I'm more annoyed by two-shots sample being played whenever firing a single shot from the 37mm, though!

[GridiroN]

Because this thread is still getting attention, particularly my pro/con post I felt I should update that I checked the speeds below 2k, and the plane goes quite a bit faster. I'm now getting 475kph cruise, 525kph combat. 

 

I'm unsure if the plane was stealthed buffed (they have stealth changed planes before) but either way this a fair bit higher than I was getting before. 

[Feathered_IV]

Thanks for the answers on the engine noise.  Perhaps they are just placeholder sounds and the devs intend to revisit them later.   The Yak-1 by comparison sounds a lot more convincing, but I find the P-39 sound is such that I'm not in a hurry to fly it again.  The engine noises are too much "in the spirit of 1946" if you know what I mean. 

[GridiroN]

16 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

Thanks for the answers on the engine noise.  Perhaps they are just placeholder sounds and the devs intend to revisit them later.   The Yak-1 by comparison sounds a lot more convincing, but I find the P-39 sound is such that I'm not in a hurry to fly it again.  The engine noises are too much "in the spirit of 1946" if you know what I mean. 

 

The sound the engine makes is stopping you from flying certain planes? The sound design in this sim is exceptional. Lots of layered noises. I'm surprised anyone feels this way. 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

1 hour ago, GridiroN said:

Because this thread is still getting attention, particularly my pro/con post I felt I should update that I checked the speeds below 2k, and the plane goes quite a bit faster. I'm now getting 475kph cruise, 525kph combat. 

 

I'm unsure if the plane was stealthed buffed (they have stealth changed planes before) but either way this a fair bit higher than I was getting before. 

At 37" 2600 RPM (the listed continuous mode) the top speed is 466 km/h at sea level, you can increase the throttle a bit up to 39.5" and it's still considered continuous, in this settings the top speed is 478 km/h

The 15 min Combat mode is at 42" 3000 RPM, with a top speed of 497 km/h. Combat mode goes on up to 46", but it will last less than 15 mins (don't know how much), top speed at 46" is 518 km/h

The 5 min Emergency mode is at 51" 3000 RPM, with a top speed of 540 km/h, then you have the 2 min Emergency mode at 60" and full rich mixture and it's top speed is 570 km/h.

It is the same as it was before.

[GridiroN]

Just now, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

At 37" 2600 RPM (the listed continuous mode) the top speed is 466 km/h at sea level, you can increase the throttle a bit up to 39.5" and it's still considered continuous, in this settings the top speed is 478 km/h

The 15 min Combat mode is at 42" 3000 RPM, with a top speed of 497 km/h. Combat mode goes on up to 46", but it will last less than 15 mins (don't know how much), top speed at 46" is 518 km/h

The 5 min Emergency mode is at 51" 3000 RPM, with a top speed of 540 km/h, then you have the 2 min Emergency mode at 60" and full rich mixture and it's top speed is 570 km/h.

It is the same as it was before.

 

The fastest I could get it to go before was in continuous was 435. Guess it was me. 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

2 hours ago, GridiroN said:

 

The fastest I could get it to go before was in continuous was 435. Guess it was me. 

It is important to have the radiators in the optimal position, 60% for the water and 45% for the oil, if you close them more than that they will cause more drag and make the plane slower (and also less cooling efficiency). Also the top speeds are listed for standard atmosphere which are the Autumn maps (15ºC at sea level).

Edited April 20, 2018 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Feathered_IV]

3 hours ago, GridiroN said:

 

The sound the engine makes is stopping you from flying certain planes?

 

Certainly.   If the sound is such that it interrupts my enjoyment of the game I’ll move on to something else.  I find myself counting the loops of the P-39 sound sample and it makes me exit the mission after 15 minutes or so.  

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

Perhaps they are just placeholder sounds and the devs intend to revisit them later.

 

Suggest you watch some taxiing and flyby videos of real P-39s.

[Feathered_IV]

I don’t use externals or flyby in-game.  Its okay though.  There’s other aircraft to play with 

[Art-J]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Suggest you watch some taxiing and flyby videos of real P-39s.

 

He's not talking about gearbox whine in external, which is an excellent realism touch, but about the prop sound in cockpit.

[Royal_Flight]

15 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

Thanks for the answers on the engine noise.  Perhaps they are just placeholder sounds and the devs intend to revisit them later. 

 

The Spitfire’s Merlin doesn’t sound accurate either and it hasn’t been fixed, so I wouldn’t hold your breath. 

[56RAF_Roblex]

On 4/19/2018 at 3:04 PM, Mauf said:

 

Agreed with one addendum: For me, this changes once I'm in a setting where I don't have GPS on the map. The moment where I have to navigate on my own, having to reorient myself after a dogfight and whatnot, I'm happy about every little precious drop of fuel I have in my tank and I avoid high settings for just that reason. Every bit of fuel I save gives me more time if I need to get my bearings and plot my new course back home. When there's no icons on the minimap, I rarely fly direct line from my current location to my airfield or target and rather pick a course along more obvious landmarks to not get lost often requiring a longer flight.

 

In other words: if you create the proper situation, people would adopt the more realistic behaviour sooner or later.

 

I don't fly in any maps that use GPS so I am always relying on my navigation skills, even offline. I don't often get so lost that I have to worry about running out of fuel