The clouds don't hide you

[ITAF_Cymao]

 

 

I can't see him but he can see me.

I hope this is one of the things that needs to be fixed.

 

S!

[Wolfram-Harms]

You had LABELS on - so you also knew where he was...

 

I guess it would be much to big a calculation process for a sim, to know if you can be seen from the AI's point, or if not.

The clouds are more a graphical matter, vague and scattered diffuse shemes.

They help against human players though!

 

 

[ITAF_Cymao]

Omg!

I was in multiplayer, there wasnt label in Finnish server and Yak was human pilot!

For information when you review track you have label...

 

[Lusekofte]

I have noticed that if you fly just below the clouds you get this heilo around you that makes you more visible . And you really do not hide in the clouds, those inside the clouds get obscured view, those outside see the shadow or shape of the plane. It has been like that as long as this sim existed. So your claim is correct

[Feathered_IV]

The propellers are visible long after the aircraft has vanished.  It's weird. 

[76IAP-Black]

in the original il2 1946, the clouds can hide you form enemy AI. the AAA will loose you and enemy fighters cant follow you

[Jade_Monkey]

2 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

The propellers are visible long after the aircraft has vanished.  It's weird. 

 

Exactly. You can still see the gray circle of the propeller through the clouds if you zoom in.

[SharpeXB]

I thought in Rise of Flight that the AI can’t see through clouds or darkness. I figure IL-2S is the same. 

[Wolfram-Harms]

5 hours ago, ITAF_Cymao said:

For information when you review track you have label...

 

Ah, okay - I didn't know that LABELS can even be switched on, when they were not active in the MP server. Sorry.

[ITAF_Cymao]

The problem is that here we see the whole plane as if it weren't in a cloud!
I didn't see my opponent but he saw me clearly as if I weren't inside a cloud and could aim calmly.
It isn't normal to see an airplane inside a cloud as if the cloud were not there.

If I do not see him, he should not see me!
I think it's a bug to fix!

 

S!

[HagarTheHorrible]

If the video is anything to go by then it looks like the attacker took you out, once you had vanished into the cloud, by assuming your trajectory and then spraying and praying, in this case successfully.  Before you disappear into the cloud he fires short aimed bursts, after, he fires almost continuously at your assumed position.

[Blackhawk_FR]

2 hours ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

If the video is anything to go by then it looks like the attacker took you out, once you had vanished into the cloud, by assuming your trajectory and then spraying and praying, in this case successfully.  Before you disappear into the cloud he fires short aimed bursts, after, he fires almost continuously at your assumed position.

 

 

No. The point of this video and this topic is not to speculate about what and how the Yak pilot is shooting. 

The point is the show (and it's clearly visible) that from the Fw POV (or in the cloud POV), you can't see planes under and out of the cloud. But from the Yak POV (or out of the cloud POV), you can still see the Fw flying into the cloud. 

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

With clouds there is a simulated “white out” effect that occurs upon coming in proximity of a cloud, you start to get the “I’m entering the cloud” feeling, when actually your about 10 feet from cloud base...  and as many stated, there’s prop reflection and or whole plane becomes pixilated and you can follow the distortion.. 

the cloud effects are my only issue with the sim... however I’m running everything maxed out I notice it a bit less.. but the “halo” effect is there...

 

clouds are my fav... save the clouds..

 

 

 

[ITAF_Cymao]

Just check the distance between the planes to understand that something isn't working well.
The 190 seems uncovered even as the Yak enters the cloud!
Fw enters the cloud when the yak is 330 meters, but the yak continues to see clearly Fw 190 up to 260 meters, at 250 meters begin the effects that we all know very well !

 

S!

[Eicio]

This is soviet special agreement with collectivist clouds comrades.

 

Jokes aside I also noticed that the mirrors do not reflect the clouds, so I was under a layer of clouds in my p-39 and was able to see what was going on above me.

 

Obviously I couldn't jump on the planes I saw but, still, I knew if the skies were clear or not. 

 

And, well it's not about the clouds but still it's weather concerned : I guess it could be nice to have some really bad weather like storms in MP to help the bombers and globally force fighters to change their tactics. (and for fun around the runway if you see what I mean  )

[sop]

The problem is Italian ISP 

Not weird have another look 

[Lemon]

6 hours ago, Sambot88 said:

Maybe my experience is misinterpreted but I am almost certain that I have used the clouds to hide from AI in BoS/BoM and I am even more certain I've used them to hide in RoF. In RoF the clouds are especially dangerous and scary because you're going so much slower and you don't have a very good way to see how you're oriented. This is actually my biggest issue with using icons in RoF, it makes the clouds feel less important.

you are right, the clouds can hide you from AI in BOx,  i mean if a human could be in the AI plane as spectator maybe he could see you, i just think when you get at a certain point in the clouds AI just stop seeing you from a mathematical result in the code, ai don t bother with visual glitches.

[1./KG4_OldJames]

9 hours ago, Eicio said:

 

 

 it could be nice to have some really bad weather like storms in MP to help the bombers and globally force fighters to change their tactics. (and for fun around the runway if you see what I mean  )

When it is poor visibility/overcast clouds, changing tactics means going to another server

I saw an interview with a hurricane pilot who said that when above the clouds, you could see aircraft in the clouds who had no visibility at all. He didn't mention from any other angle.

[JaffaCake]

There used to be a bit of a talk on the russian side of this community about certain older teamspeak overlays allowing people to see "through" clouds due to a graphical glitch. 

 

On top of that we of course have the usual glitches where sometimes you can see the propeller outline in the clouds, where the rest of the aircraft is already hidden. And sometimes You can't see the aircraft that should be clearly visible when the clouds are in the background of the said aircraft, but are not covering it.

 

Surprisingly WT used to have similar issue in the past.

[[CPT]Crunch]

My suspicion is if your not in the rain effect band, your still visible to the outside and AI.  Didn't see any on your canopy.  Thing is, it seems even if you exit the current cloud and hit a clear pocket, you still may be invisible depending on their angle and altitude as long as you stay in that thin rain band of altitude.  I've had pursuing AI fighters pass just meters directly overhead in clear air without detecting my plane staying in that thin layer.

[ShamrockOneFive]

15 hours ago, Sambot88 said:

My biggest issue with the clouds in BoX at the moment is that it causes aircraft to be blurry when they aren't even in the clouds. Like, if a plane just is sort of close to the clouds on the horizon from your point of view then the aircraft will get all choppy looking. I'm using "Medium" for the clouds graphics option, maybe that's it? Using the Sharpen filter helped a little bit.

 

Medium makes that could problem so much worse and Sharpen on/off won't change that specific issue.

[Redwo1f]

On 4/15/2018 at 7:32 AM, 76IAP-Black said:

in the original il2 1946, the clouds can hide you form enemy AI. the AAA will loose you and enemy fighters cant follow you

Yup. WOFF UE has cloud blinding AI as well...

 

The AI is the single weakest aspect of this sim. I really hope it is made more of a priority to enhance/adjust.