I hate the H Hide/Show Command

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

I fly full real except for the Heading compass and icons on the right. Then, I have tried to take a step forwards and remove the heading at the bottom left-hand side corner so I can get accustomed to the compass in the cockpit and all the icons messages on the right side (flaps, engine, etc) so again I get used to reading all the gauges. To my surprise, I now get NOTHING AT ALL.  I cannot fully understand the radio messages because the sound is uncomprehensible (please, I beg you Devs, fix this! make them easier to hear them without so much radio distortions, just like in CLOD) and I cannot read them anymore in an English translationas they do not show at all and I do not know what is going on around me. I get no messages of destroyed targets ... what I guess ... it is fine because it's full real after all  but the map full screen, not transparent or resizeable, bla, bla, bla, in winter map is just unbearable. I sometimes get lost all the time in winter maps, I cannot find where I am because the map gets ALL the screen and and it takes some seconds to look at it while the plane is still flying. And it seems that nobody sees the advantages of that as it was implemented in the ROF. What am I missing here?   Have the Devs announced that it will be implemented in a future update in a previous DD and I am not aware of that or am I the only one in the world who like that kind of ROF map Gui?

 

In short, and humbly speaking in my on opinion, I just do not understand why all these features cannot be separated in an Expert Mode so that a pilot can select which one you want to have during your learning curve and which ones not.

They are all in the same hateful button ... H  I  just hate that key. I will remove it from my keyboard!  I can't even know what color bengals I am using if I don't press the H.

 

Right now, I want to fly full real, with NO heading, No icons on the right, but YES radio messages or other mission messages about the map issue ... I just give up 

Please Devs, take no offence in my words, it is only constructivism but I gotta be honest and say what I feel and think.  Just think about it and let see what my fellow pilot from the community think about it.

 

Edited April 14, 2018 by PA_Spartan-

[unreasonable]

Have you tried having HUD on by default, but in game messages off (which is the tech tips), instrument panel off, map off?  I seem to remember that there is some combination that will give you close to what you want.    Look under settings / user interface for HUD options and just use the difficulty section to put icons on or off.

 

BTW I agree that the GUI option layout is confusing.  It should just be a single picture with all the possible elements on the screen with a tickbox or option list next to each one that greys them out so that you can see what you will get with each option, preferably with the difficulty options on the same page since these sometimes effect the HUD. Legacy code I expect.  

[Art-J]

I can confirm that keeping HUD option ticked, while turning all message options off results in radio subtitles being displayed, but with all plane systems-related technochat being off. No idea about mission-related messages, though, as I'm still new to this game and only do some flying around in QMB.

Edited April 14, 2018 by Art-J

[Wolf8312]

2 hours ago, PA_Spartan- said:

I fly full real except for the Heading compass and icons on the right. Then, I have tried to take a step forwards and remove the heading at the bottom left-hand side corner so I can get accustomed to the compass in the cockpit and all the icons messages on the right side (flaps, engine, etc) so again I get used to reading all the gauges. To my surprise, I now get NOTHING AT ALL.  I cannot fully understand the radio messages because the sound is uncomprehensible (please, I beg you Devs, fix this! make them easier to hear them without so much radio distortions, just like in CLOD) and I cannot read them anymore in an English translationas they do not show at all and I do not know what is going on around me. I get no messages of destroyed targets ... what I guess ... it is fine because it's full real after all  but the map full screen, not transparent or resizeable, bla, bla, bla, in winter map is just unbearable. I sometimes get lost all the time in winter maps, I cannot find where I am because the map gets ALL the screen and and it takes some seconds to look at it while the plane is still flying. And it seems that nobody sees the advantages of that as it was implemented in the ROF. What am I missing here?   Have the Devs announced that it will be implemented in a future update in a previous DD and I am not aware of that or am I the only one in the world who like that kind of ROF map Gui?

 

In short, and humbly speaking in my on opinion, I just do not understand why all these features cannot be separated in an Expert Mode so that a pilot can select which one you want to have during your learning curve and which ones not.

They are all in the same hateful button ... H  I  just hate that key. I will remove it from my keyboard!  I can't even know what color bengals I am using if I don't press the H.

 

Right now, I want to fly full real, with NO heading, No icons on the right, but YES radio messages or other mission messages about the map issue ... I just give up 

Please Devs, take no offence in my words, it is only constructivism but I gotta be honest and say what I feel and think.  Just think about it and let see what my fellow pilot from the community think about it.

 

 

What are you actually asking for here? Clearer radio messages I understand. You're basically saying you have trouble navigating but dont like to use the map, the hud or the icons right?

 

And you are saying you cannot navigate, because when you bring up the map you have no time to concentrate on it? Well that is just practice. I had the same problem at first but can now do it in real time. I dont use, the HuD or icons or anything at all, and I can't understand the german messages but I always get home safely by just following the mission brief, and navigating using the map. Map needs to be big btw!

 

Before you take off ascertain your position and your heading (N,W,S,E). Then find something on the map like a river and follow it in the direction your eventual target will be. If one river ends, there is ussually another river, and if theres no river use towns etc. Rivers, roads (roads are a little difficult in BOS) rail tracks, they are all like great big arrows telling you where to go. 

 

Honestly it will take you only a few months to get good at navigation, and it will change the whole game for you, and very soon you will be loving navigation and finding that the game in itself is so much more interesting. Navigation gives you something to do on long flights. 

 

The feeling of being in control, and secure in the knowlege that you know where you are, and where you are going, makes the game less frustrating/daunting and more enjoyable by a factor of about a thousand!

 

I just flew a mission that a few months before I would have played using icons to guide me to my target. Looking back especially in VR it's just a horribly immersion breaking and silly way to fly. I flew like that for years, and it made much of the game and overall experience inaccessible to me.

 

Coming back to it after only a short time, I realized that it was in truth just a little box, and a small circut that is so easy to navigate I find it hard to understand how I couldnt have done so. But it felt like returning to a place from which I had once been utterly lost to a place that I now had full mastery over.

 

It really isnt anything wrong with the game, you just need to learn and put the effort in. For that you will be greatly rewarded later. Even winter maps with fog and heavy overcast clouds can quite easily be navigated they just require a little more concentration and a sharper eye for the rivers.  

 

 

Edited April 14, 2018 by Wolf8312

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

The problem is not the navigation itself, the problem is looking at a the map blocking your view for 10 seconds while the plane is in motion ... of course, pressing the P key is out of the question. I don't have it in my keyboard anymore.

Edited April 14, 2018 by PA_Spartan-

[Eicio]

2 hours ago, PA_Spartan- said:

The problem is not the navigation itself, the problem is looking at a the map blocking your view for 10 seconds while the plane is in motion ... of course, pressing the P key is out of the question. I don't have it in my keyboard anymore.

 

That's why you're A_Sartan-  !

[danielprates]

Indeed I think that some autoupdate must have screwed that up somewhat. It was working fine for me, I also dont like visual HUD cues but must have the radio message transcripts. All the sudden,  some days ago the heading + speed cue showed up uninvited. I went to the config screen and turned everything off (I never turned them on in the first place),  and all is well.... but the radio messages transcripts have disapeared too!  

 

Some time later I discovered I must press "H" to bring them back on. Mission starts with everything blank and pressing H brings back the visuals. Its a minor hassle. I am pretty sure it wasn't supposed to work like that!

[Sokol1]

Guy are working in a English version of "radio" - no MOD ON is required.

 

Print the map, or show then in other monitor may help navigation - of course not an easy solution like a resizable map (a la 46, CloD, RoF).

[Chief_Mouser]

If you are still depressed about this Spartan I do have just the thing you really asked for - a keyboard with the H fallen off.  It sprung off the other week and I've had to buy a new one as the little lugs are broken. Most annoying!

[dburne]

Assign those key commands to button presses gang!

[C130castrum8]

I have noticed after the update, the little GPS plane on the map can't be turned off by hitting I anymore to turn off icons, if the server I'm on has GPS on then I can't opt out of it anymore it seems   so I can't enjoy WoL for example because real navigation is my thing. Am I correct that the GPS icon is now inseparably tied to the realism settings of a mission or is there still a way to remove it?

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

ok, guys let me think for new way of arranging things here. 

 

We should have different commands assigned to different keys for:

 

1. Hide/show HUD cues

2. Compass bottom left hand side corner.

3. Radio messages transcriptions and ... what about being able to select the language we want to? The oral radio message could be in original language (too weird otherwise for me) but the written message in a different language that can be selected by the player, not only in English. For example, I am a Spanish player and I fly Axis so I have the oral messages in German but the written ones in Spanish or I am a French player flying Soviet, so Oral in Russian and written in French.

4. In flight map in expert mode with different options: transparency and resizeable.

 

Something else that I am missing?

 

10 hours ago, Eicio said:

 

That's why you're A_Sartan-  !

 

It's good that I still have the R key! 

Edited April 15, 2018 by PA_Spartan-

[Lusekofte]

I have a second screen for my map

Using this tool you can make new headings as you go . and will always know what heading to take. 

I highly recommend it. I have flown without the techno chat for a long time, I switch it on when I fly new planes, just to have an idea in the beginning about its limits. But I keep my heading compass, I find it difficult on russian compas to be accurate enough. 

[blitze]

If you don't want the compass on your hud then use the "I" key.  That will get rid of it and still allow you to see radio chatter and game objective messages.

[Wolf8312]

17 hours ago, PA_Spartan- said:

The problem is not the navigation itself, the problem is looking at a the map blocking your view for 10 seconds while the plane is in motion ... of course, pressing the P key is out of the question. I don't have it in my keyboard anymore.

 

Yes but honestly again that is just practice. If you get good at navigation you can just flash the map up for a second and immediately turn it off again knowing where to go. Like I said I had the same problem and the only solution I could find was to pause the game which I didnt like to do because I felt it was cheating. It's just something you need to train yourself to be able to do at a glance.

 

And if you're not playing in VR a second screen sounds like a good plan!

Edited April 15, 2018 by Wolf8312

[Voidhunger]

On 4/14/2018 at 8:09 PM, Art-J said:

I can confirm that keeping HUD option ticked, while turning all message options off results in radio subtitles being displayed, but with all plane systems-related technochat being off. No idea about mission-related messages, though, as I'm still new to this game and only do some flying around in QMB.

No it doesnt work. With HUD on there are no subtitles

[Herne]

pa_spartan You can configure what you are asking for by default from the gui options.

As others have said you leave the HUD on ( needed for the chat window ) turn hints, tips and hud instruments off.

 

This way you don't get the compass, or the tech chat, but still have your chat window. This is how I fly in MP

[BM357_TinMan]

Regardless of all, it is a really bad developer decision to have them tied together as they are now.  There should be independent and EASY toggles & settings for each.

[1./KG4_OldJames]

My preference would be this;

As the virtual pilot is invisible, why not put the map on the pilots lap, after all, a pilot would place a map on his lap IRL rather than unfold the complete map and hold it up vertically in front of his/her face!

[Sambot88]

I hate to keep bringing up Rise of Flight but the Map in that one was movable and didn't cut to a different screen. Seemed like there was a completely different way of handling that aspect of the UI.

[Art-J]

3 hours ago, Voidhunger said:

No it doesnt work. With HUD on there are no subtitles

 

What can I say, they're there everytime for me and I did check my settings before writing the post. I think it might depend on whether you begin mission with hidden or un-hidden HUD ("H" key)?

[Voidhunger]

Hmm, ill try this. Thanks

[Art-J]

On 16.04.2018 at 4:24 PM, Voidhunger said:

Hmm, ill try this. Thanks

 

Just to make sure we're talking about the same options: my "Show HUD by default" window is ticked, "Ingame messages" is set to OFF, and the bottom three windows are un-ticked.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

After the 3.002 patch the little compass in the bottom left hand side corner is in the I key and not in the H key.

I like it. I can fly without the compass but still have the messages.

But the messages and the tech info on the right are still under the same key, H. Right?

I'd like that also separated.

Edited April 18, 2018 by PA_Spartan-