My first time...and it hurts

[ironk79]

today i decides it was a good idea to get back in shape, as a result i am now grounded due to a strained neck. Cant turn my neck for more than 90° to the left, from there its painfull as f**k.

Not something you want when flyingin VR. Never had an injury that prevented me from playing, so def. a first for me . Or i just make right hand turn while dogfighting, maybe worth a try.

[Finkeren]

And there is the reason I’m staying away from VR for the time being. 

 

No way I’m gonna strain my neck just to check my six.

[ironk79]

the strained neck is the result of doing pullups (dont ask me how), VR thankfully never hurt or injured my neck or other bodyparts.

[Utopioneer]

15 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

And there is the reason I’m staying away from VR for the time being. 

 

No way I’m gonna strain my neck just to check my six.

I know how this sounds, but I actually play IL2 in VR in my swivel computer chair, which makes checking six a LOT easier...

[seafireliv]

Get better fast.

[Lensman]

Well that's a pain in the ... errr.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

20 minutes ago, ironk79 said:

the strained neck is the result of doing pullups (dont ask me how), VR thankfully never hurt or injured my neck or other bodyparts.

 

The problem is likely in the area of your upper back.  Take some ibuprofen and then stretch it out.

 

Place your right hand on the top of your head, towards the back, then let the weight of your arm (don't muscle it!) pull your head down.  Don't fight it, just let your head fall as it will while you hold it.  Do this for 30 seconds.  Then do the other side.

 

Next, put both hands on your head, let the weight of your arms pull your head down forward so that your chin touches your chest.  Hold this 30 seconds.

 

Next, lock together the fingers of both hands, and extend your arms out in front of you as far as they'll go, with your palms outwards away from you.  Put your chin down as you do this.  Hold this for thirty seconds.

 

This should take some of the pressure off your neck, and allow you to move at least a little bit better to get through your day.

[Warpig]

Neck kinks are the worst!

[C6_lefuneste]

I also find that checking six is hard, due to thé reduced FOV. 100-110 °is too few, so we need to turn head more than needed in RL. I used a tweak to reduce strain: if  you want to check six to the left, turn your head to the right, press 5, then turn your head to the left. It is then much easier to look back. After checking point your head forward and press 5 again.

It is slower and may make you a bit dizzy but it is working.

Edited April 12, 2018 by lefuneste

[ironk79]

39 minutes ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

 

The problem is likely in the area of your upper back.  Take some ibuprofen and then stretch it out.

 

Place your right hand on the top of your head, towards the back, then let the weight of your arm (don't muscle it!) pull your head down.  Don't fight it, just let your head fall as it will while you hold it.  Do this for 30 seconds.  Then do the other side.

 

Next, put both hands on your head, let the weight of your arms pull your head down forward so that your chin touches your chest.  Hold this 30 seconds.

 

Next, lock together the fingers of both hands, and extend your arms out in front of you as far as they'll go, with your palms outwards away from you.  Put your chin down as you do this.  Hold this for thirty seconds.

 

This should take some of the pressure off your neck, and allow you to move at least a little bit better to get through your day.

will try, thanks!

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, ironk79 said:

the strained neck is the result of doing pullups (dont ask me how), VR thankfully never hurt or injured my neck or other bodyparts.

 

Maybe pushups are safer. That's what I do.

[ironk79]

29 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Maybe pushups are safer. That's what I do.

pushups are great, but today was pullup day

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, ironk79 said:

pushups are great, but today was pullup day

 

How many pullups can you do?

 

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Sounds like running 10km is safer

 

I haven't injured myself in at least 6 months.

[CanadaOne]

25 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

Sounds like running 10km is safer

 

I haven't injured myself in at least 6 months.

 

You can run 10K?

 

Oh, if my knees would only let me...

[MiloMorai]

I thought it would be thread about loosing ones virginity.

[CanadaOne]

21 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

I thought it would be thread about loosing ones virginity.

 

Given that this is an internet chat forum about video games, odds are the majority here have yet to experience that.

[ShamrockOneFive]

50 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

You can run 10K?

 

Oh, if my knees would only let me...

 

I do every weekend

 

And usually another 5-6km during the week. Been a runner for coming up on 10 years now and done a bunch of half-marathons. Great physical and mental workout!

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

It takes about 12-15 running sessions for me to reach 10k...in total.  But that 10k in total only takes about 20-25 minutes in total.

[Soarfeat]

1 hour ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

It takes about 12-15 running sessions for me to reach 10k...in total.  But that 10k in total only takes about 20-25 minutes in total.

Pretty amazing ( 10k in 20-25 min's= maintaining roughly 4 min per mile pace for 6 miles ) You need to shoot for the world record !!! 

Currently the world record for men is held by Kenenisa Bekele of Ethiopia in 26:17.53, posted at Brussels, Belgium on August 26, 2005.

Perhaps I misunderstood your post, in regards to the 12-15 running sessions ( are you saying each running session takes 20-25 min's and that your 10k run is broken into 12-15 sessions ) ? Regardless I am glad they're some folks involved in fitness. 

Cheers --sf-- 

Edited April 13, 2018 by soarfeat

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

I do every weekend

 

And usually another 5-6km during the week. Been a runner for coming up on 10 years now and done a bunch of half-marathons. Great physical and mental workout!

 

Very cool!

 

We have a treadmill in the house, and if I'm not working that day I'll do a few 30 or 45 minute sessions of medium to fast walking with 10lb weights in each hand. Lately I've gotten into outdoor walks with weights. Most nights after dinner I'll walk a mile around the hill with about 40 or 50lbs. Feels good.

 

I wish I could run, but that's not in the cards.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I recently cranked out a 10k time of 52 minutes which was a PB. This was during a race and the course was nice and flat so that helps immensely. My next goal is to beat my 10k PB for trail races which sits at 58 minutes.

1 minute ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Very cool!

 

We have a treadmill in the house, and if I'm not working that day I'll do a few 30 or 45 minute sessions of medium to fast walking with 10lb weights in each hand. Lately I've gotten into outdoor walks with weights. Most nights after dinner I'll walk a mile around the hill with about 40 or 50lbs. Feels good.

 

I wish I could run, but that's not in the cards.

 

Its not for everyone and not everyone can. There's many options out there... I've thought about getting into swimming and cycling too. I also usually do yoga twice a week for about 30 minutes.

[CanadaOne]

6 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

I recently cranked out a 10k time of 52 minutes which was a PB. This was during a race and the course was nice and flat so that helps immensely. My next goal is to beat my 10k PB for trail races which sits at 58 minutes.

 

Its not for everyone and not everyone can. There's many options out there... I've thought about getting into swimming and cycling too. I also usually do yoga twice a week for about 30 minutes.

 

The guy I work with is a certified instructor. He keeps trying to get me into it, but it's not my bag. I can appreciate it's benefits though.

 

Swimming is great, but unfortunately the people on bikes around here are so mind bogglingly annoying and self-righteous, I would rather be dipped in liquid ebola than join their horrid ranks. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

 

The guy I work with is a certified instructor. He keeps trying to get me into it, but it's not my bag. I can appreciate it's benefits though.

 

Swimming is great, but unfortunately the people on bikes around here are so mind bogglingly annoying and self-righteous, I would rather be dipped in liquid ebola than join their horrid ranks. 

 

Ahh yes the road warriors

[Vig]

As a Senior Citizen, I will warn you youngsters that when you hit 40 or so your muscles will be much stronger than your tendons, and that breaking or otherwise damaging tendons will become your chief form of injury.  Some of it is ridiculous; I once completely snapped a tendon in my hand by putting on my underwear because I was late for work and hurrying. Tendon injuries take an extremely long time to heal as you age and can put you off your program for a very long time. 

 

Re: people on bikes being insufferably self-righteous, I understand that.  They are here too.  But I like bikes, so I ride this to dissociate myself from the smug set:

[ShamrockOneFive]

Looks like a great bike!

 

I know plenty of cyclists who are awesome. It's, as usual, a small subset of folks who cause some trouble in any group. I can relate to the tendon injuries issue. I seriously injured the tendons in both of my feet from running and a couple of other related issues and that took a year and a half to heal and I'm constantly on guard for reinjury now. Not a problem I had when I was in my teens and 20s.

[Ehret]

7 hours ago, Utopioneer said:

I know how this sounds, but I actually play IL2 in VR in my swivel computer chair, which makes checking six a LOT easier...

 

 I don't know but there should be an option to scale head angles, right? Wouldn't be fully realistic but much better than a strained neck.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

2 hours ago, soarfeat said:

Pretty amazing ( 10k in 20-25 min's= maintaining roughly 4 min per mile pace for 6 miles ) You need to shoot for the world record !!! 

Currently the world record for men is held by Kenenisa Bekele of Ethiopia in 26:17.53, posted at Brussels, Belgium on August 26, 2005.

Perhaps I misunderstood your post, in regards to the 12-15 running sessions ( are you saying each running session takes 20-25 min's and that your 10k run is broken into 12-15 sessions ) ? Regardless I am glad they're some folks involved in fitness. 

Cheers --sf-- 

Sprints, my dude.  All I run is sprint sessions. 

 

Anywhere from 40's out to 200's or occasionally 400's.

[Hoots]

2 hours ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

Sprints, my dude.  All I run is sprint sessions. 

 

Anywhere from 40's out to 200's or occasionally 400's.

Oof! Played rugby for years, then did nothing for the last five years so, decided to set a goal of a half marathon later this year. Nothing to half marathon, it's hard but I'm up to 5k and working to 10. I like being fit again but I still hate running...

[ironk79]

8 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

How many pullups can you do?

 

 

14 at the moment, did pause for half a year

Prefer Cycling to running. Asphalt and concrete dont go well with knee joints, even if you have to good running shoes. once your knees are done, thats basically it. I know 4 people (now between 45 and 60) that were active in running related sports, their knees are done and even walking stairs becomes torture. Surely there is some predisposition for it, but you have to be alert and really listen to your body.

[Chief_Mouser]

Hadn't thought about neck problems and VR. I have three fused vertebrae in my neck due to a cycling accident many years ago and my neck rotation is only around 45 degs each way. My situational awareness in the game is poor anyway, if VR's going to make it worse I shall be done for. Still have to try it first though.

[ironk79]

2 hours ago, 216th_Cat said:

Hadn't thought about neck problems and VR. I have three fused vertebrae in my neck due to a cycling accident many years ago and my neck rotation is only around 45 degs each way. My situational awareness in the game is poor anyway, if VR's going to make it worse I shall be done for. Still have to try it first though.

i wouldnt be so sure about that. since you move your head in vr without additional load (ok, VR adds a few grams), its basically like a holding/stretching exercise while playing. I wouldnt be surprised if your restricted movement and mobility get better. to be clear, i strained my neck during sport, not from VR.

 

Edited April 13, 2018 by ironk79

[THERION]

Well guys,

 

now that's what you get with sports. Keep in mind what Sir Winston Churchill once said: "No sports!" 

[ShamrockOneFive]

5 hours ago, ironk79 said:

14 at the moment, did pause for half a year

Prefer Cycling to running. Asphalt and concrete dont go well with knee joints, even if you have to good running shoes. once your knees are done, thats basically it. I know 4 people (now between 45 and 60) that were active in running related sports, their knees are done and even walking stairs becomes torture. Surely there is some predisposition for it, but you have to be alert and really listen to your body.

 

Knee arthritis is more a genetic predisposition rather than an activity thing. Dozens of studies have been done that have almost completely destroyed the myth that running kills your knees. Some studies have gone so far as to say that the constant compression from running actually spurs added regeneration of cartilage. Highly dependent on your weight, running style and pronation, so there are definitely still risks.

 

https://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/heres-more-evidence-that-running-doesnt-ruin-your-knees

 

You do definitely have to be alert and listen to your body. Runners are equal parts great and terrible at it. "Oh just a little pain... I'll run through that." "Your leg is falling off" "I've had worse."

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

18 hours ago, Finkeren said:

And there is the reason I’m staying away from VR for the time being. 

 

-snip-

 

I'm just staying away from exercise to compensate.

[Soarfeat]

10 hours ago, hrafnkolbrandr said:

Sprints, my dude.  All I run is sprint sessions. 

 

Anywhere from 40's out to 200's or occasionally 400's.

Oh--sorry about the confusion. Good show !!!!

  

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

Knee arthritis is more a genetic predisposition rather than an activity thing. Dozens of studies have been done that have almost completely destroyed the myth that running kills your knees. Some studies have gone so far as to say that the constant compression from running actually spurs added regeneration of cartilage. Highly dependent on your weight, running style and pronation, so there are definitely still risks.

 

https://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/heres-more-evidence-that-running-doesnt-ruin-your-knees

 

You do definitely have to be alert and listen to your body. Runners are equal parts great and terrible at it. "Oh just a little pain... I'll run through that." "Your leg is falling off" "I've had worse."

 

If I listened to my body, I'd stay in bed. Unfortunately my brain (almost) kicks in and I get up.

 

Do you use protein powders? I've been using them for about two years now, really helps. I'll have one after a workout at home, maybe twice a day, often one before bed, and always a big one at about 10Am when we're in the trees. That horrible time between second breakfast and lunch is too much to bear without a power drink.

[Soarfeat]

13 minutes ago, raaaid said:

what i dont understand is how people dont run like kids do skipping, downhill is much more eficient than just running

You are exactly right raaaid !!! I actually have been running ( barefoot running since I was 15 --- started out trying to be like Tarzan and found it felt good and now--- it is fashionable--ha !!! )

One of the running pioneers in the early 70's commented that to get a good picture of proper running form is to go and watch children run.

A word for the wise is--- it is never too late to begin a journey into fitness. At 61 1/2 years old my fitness sessions 5 days a week are,, 1 1/2 hour long ( all outside and in all weather and in nature, my total gym is the ground and a nice tree limb, ), comprised of 3-5 mile runs at pretty brisk pace with a circuit of each mile I stop and do 20 pull-ups ( total of 60/day ) ( will do chin-ups on alternate days for the back ).  I spend 5-6 min of intense core training 7 days a week ( abs are pretty resilient muscles )( ps--- do not do sit-ups or straight leg raises, they can and will do harm, and not that effective )  Also implement yoga for stretch and cool downs. I have had a few aches and pains but nothing too serious,and only doctor I see is a great chiropractor who happens to be a fitness buff also. So, for any of you youngsters out there, do not listen to talk that all goes south after 40. This could change for me at anytime, there are no guarantees in life, for now I embrace it and will continue this journey.  Hope this does not come across as boasting, my main purpose is to get rid of myths on aging and fitness/health.

-- sf --

[CanadaOne]

8 minutes ago, soarfeat said:

You are exactly right raaaid !!! I actually have been running ( barefoot running since I was 15 --- started out trying to be like Tarzan and found it felt good and now--- it is fashionable--ha !!! )

One of the running pioneers in the early 70's commented that to get a good picture of proper running form is to go and watch children run.

A word for the wise is--- it is never too late to begin a journey into fitness. At 61 1/2 years old my fitness sessions 5 days a week are,, 1 1/2 hour long ( all outside and in all weather and in nature, my total gym is the ground and a nice tree limb, ), comprised of 3-5 mile runs at pretty brisk pace with a circuit of each mile I stop and do 20 pull-ups ( total of 60/day ) ( will do chin-ups on alternate days for the back ).  I spend 5-6 min of intense core training 7 days a week ( abs are pretty resilient muscles )( ps--- do not do sit-ups or straight leg raises, they can and will do harm, and not that effective )  Also implement yoga for stretch and cool downs. I have had a few aches and pains but nothing too serious,and only doctor I see is a great chiropractor who happens to be a fitness buff also. So, for any of you youngsters out there, do not listen to talk that all goes south after 40. This could change for me at anytime, there are no guarantees in life, for now I embrace it and will continue this journey.  Hope this does not come across as boasting, my main purpose is to get rid of myths on aging and fitness/health.

-- sf --

 

Excellent!

 

You're not boasting, you're telling the truth. Keep the body healthy and so much else follows. And age is mostly irrelevant. The mind is where it is at.