Bug or nonsense (soviet career) ?

[Semor76]

The 233th IAP at Moscow is fittet with Mig-3 and I-16´s. So far so good, but the player can´t choose one plane type and have to fly with both planes. That leads to the strange situation that I have to fly in a mixed group Mig´s & Ratas?

 

Is this a bug or an easter egg ^^

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

It's neither a bug nor an easter egg.

 

Way she goes, bubs.

[BM357_TinMan]

Yeah, I avoid those squadrons that have two completely separate plane types that they fly to avoid this very situation.

I suppose that, if I didin't mind flying two different types of planes (not variants but plane types) in a campaign, this would actually be a plus.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

1 minute ago, BM357_TinMan said:

Yeah, I avoid those squadrons that have two completely separate plane types that they fly to avoid this very situation.

I suppose that, if I didin't mind flying two different types of planes (not variants but plane types) in a campaign, this would actually be a plus.

 

Bf109 G-2/G-4 squadrons aren't too bad. I can see where a MiG-3/I-16 pairing could be a bit of a frustration.

[Danziger]

Yak-7/1b isn't bad either. 

[seafireliv]

I`ve had this. I think it`s great. It`s a `needs must` situation. That is what they have available, that`s what you must fly. Brilliant.

[Semor76]

5 minutes ago, seafireliv said:

I`ve had this. I think it`s great. It`s a `needs must` situation. That is what they have available, that`s what you must fly. Brilliant.

If you like it, no problem. From the historical point its nonsense. I never heared about pilots who fly a Mig in the morning and have to jump into the Rata in the evening.   I always thought 777Studios want to be "historical accurate"? Why cant the player choose only one Plane type if he wants to join this date of the Battle and squad.?

 

51 minutes ago, BorysVorobyov said:

Yak-7/1b isn't bad either. 

Yeah, On the start of the Kuban campaign. Can´t rember the squadron now.

 

 

[Finkeren]

15 minutes ago, Semor76 said:

 

Yeah, On the start of the Kuban campaign. Can´t rember the squadron now.

 

 

6th Navy IAP IIRC.

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

Start campaign as squadron leader, then you can choose the aircraft and how many to take for the mission, even in missions you aren't in. 

[Eicio]

16 minutes ago, RoflSeal said:

Start campaign as squadron leader, then you can choose the aircraft and how many to take for the mission, even in missions you aren't in. 

 

And I always keep the G6 for me, as my personnal stock. I would not want my pilots to waste those precious machine would I ? 

[Yogiflight]

I started a 109 G2/G4 career in a squadron, that later will get the G6. What I thought, how it woulg work, is I start with one version and fly this version (IRL one aircraft), until it is destroyed. Then I would get either the same version, or the other, depending on what the squadron has available. But not like it is now, where it changes from mission to mission, sometimes the plan sais, I will fly a G4, but when I get to the mission, it is a G2. I don't think it is very realistic, the way it works now.

[sniperton]

I took it as a challenge to fly one time an I-16, the other time a MiG-3, but I must admit I doubt that RL combat pilots changed their mounts more often than their socks.

[danielprates]

Perhaps the unit in question had some pilots trained on one plane,  and some pilots trained on the other. I too think it is a strange idea, that of a unit with pilots  who fly either one of two very different planes. Now,  the I-16 and the I-16,  or different yaks,  that would make more sense. But a mig and a rata?

Edited April 11, 2018 by danielprates

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

was there really no dedicated rat squadron in Moscow at that time? seems a bit strange to me but if that's the case so be it.

 

I would like an option to create a fictional squadron with a specific plane from that time period, for instances where the squadron is split between two aircraft types such as what OP describes. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

A lot of squadrons in 1941 went with the aircraft they could find with pilots flying what was available. You'd get checked out in one and potentially then checked out in the field for the other. I can't remember the squadron but the one I'm thinking of at Leningrad had all manners of aircraft from I-16 to LaGG-3 to Hurricane and P-40. Not quite all at the same time but they were scrounging for fighters.

 

It seems odd but in times of desperation it did happen. Did pilots more proficient with one fly one over the other... Probably.

 

If you must, restart as a squadron leader so you can just assign yourself the plane you want.

[seafireliv]

5 hours ago, Semor76 said:

If you like it, no problem. From the historical point its nonsense. I never heared about pilots who fly a Mig in the morning and have to jump into the Rata in the evening.   I always thought 777Studios want to be "historical accurate"? Why cant the player choose only one Plane type if he wants to join this date of the Battle and squad.?

 

Yeah, On the start of the Kuban campaign. Can´t rember the squadron now.

 

 

 

How is it not historical? Don`t you understand how war works?

 

I don`t even have to read historical books (and I`ve read a few) to know that in war, many times men had to fight with what they had. Sometimes you don`t have a neat row of identical aircraft to replace the half dozen just destroyed on the ground by the enemy. If that meant an I16 had to go up alongside a Lag because that`s all they had at the time, an I16 went up with a Lag. It all depends on the desperation of the situation and flying as Russia it fits the desperation of the situation perfectly.

 

You`re talking from just what you think. Go read a few history books on warfare and then you`ll know.

Edited April 12, 2018 by seafireliv

[danielprates]

2 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

A lot of squadrons in 1941 went with the aircraft they could find with pilots flying what was available. You'd get checked out in one and potentially then checked out in the field for the other. I can't remember the squadron but the one I'm thinking of at Leningrad had all manners of aircraft from I-16 to LaGG-3 to Hurricane and P-40. Not quite all at the same time but they were scrounging for fighters.

 

It seems odd but in times of desperation it did happen. Did pilots more proficient with one fly one over the other... Probably.

 

If you must, restart as a squadron leader so you can just assign yourself the plane you want.

 

That certainly was the case with the late 1941 soviet air force!

 

I think it is likelly though that in a squadron with varied planes, there would be specialized pilots for each plane. It is hard to imagine the same pilot simply jumping around different cockpits.

 

Then again... the situation was so desperate in 1941 that nothing can be discarded. Even after that. I read somewhere that in stalingrad, tanks would roll out of the factory without sights,  the aimer being supposed to aim by looking through the bore of the cannon!  If that happened,  its not hard to imagine some officer ordering a rata pilot to jump into a mig and fly it,  wheter he could do it or not!

Edited April 12, 2018 by danielprates

[seafireliv]

There was a saying that if you could fly an I16, you could fly anything.

[Finkeren]

10 hours ago, danielprates said:

Perhaps the unit in question had some pilots trained on one plane,  and some pilots trained on the other. I too think it is a strange idea, that of a unit with pilots  who fly either one of two very different planes. Now,  the I-16 and the I-16,  or different yaks,  that would make more sense. But a mig and a rata?

 

Actually virtually every single fighter pilot in the VVS in 1941 was trained to fly the I-16. 

 

Far fewer were trained to fly the MiG-3, in fact it was a persistent problem in 1941, that there were more MiGs available than there were pilots qualified to fly them.

[Trooper117]

The Dev's have given us a pretty good representation of historical accuracy actually...

Many times squadrons were operating with more than one aircraft type.

You don't just rock up to a squadron and tell them what plane 'you' want to fly. You fly the type that the command structure tells you.

For game purposes, if you don't want that type of historical accuracy you start as Squadron Leader and choose what you want... It's great having choices isn't it, everyone wins 

[sniperton]

What Fink says sounds highly reasonable: all VVS pilots were trained for the Rata, but only a portion of them were trained for the MiG as well. The game presupposes that Player is a new cadet who has been recently trained, and therefore for both. Realistically, one could argue that he was solely trained for the Rata, but no one could argue that he was solely trained for the MiG. Or something like that.

[danielprates]

That makes sense.

[Livai]

Don't wreck the Migs because you run out of Mig - supplies and the result is a mixed group of Mig-Rata-ta-tas -

[seafireliv]

From my flying in Career, I`ve discovered that one way to avoid been switched around is to pick a Squadron that only has ONE plane type. I chose a squadron with just the LA5 and no matter how many aircraft we lost (in one mission we lost all but 2 aircraft) we were simply resupplied with 6 La5s.

 

Don`t pick a Squadron with mixed aircraft if you don`t like mixed, but I like seeing mixed and being sometimes ordered to fly something I don`t actually want. When I eventually become the boss  it`ll be Spitfires for everyone!

[Yogiflight]

4 hours ago, seafireliv said:

From my flying in Career, I`ve discovered that one way to avoid been switched around is to pick a Squadron that only has ONE plane type.

Another way should be, that you only select the aircraft, you want to fly, when you start a new career.

[senseispcc]

The Soviets had mixed aircrafts squadrons but those where more and more rare with  the passing of time.

So later in the war most of the squadrons where of one type of plane, Yaks, Lagg, La, etc...