Feathered_IV Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 It’s the mixed aviation regiments that interest me the most, especially within the context of the sim. It really brings home the degree to which it truly was a people’s war for the Russians. When you’re listening to the radio chatter of a formation of aircraft rolling in on a target and it’s the voices of both men and women who are going in to the attack, the effect can be really quite moving. 2 1
Original_Uwe Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, seafireliv said: Well that didn`t take long. Captain save-a-ho to save the wimmins from the evil man is here. What do you expect? A whole generation now have been programmed to be simpering beta males. Diversity uber alles kameraden. 5 hours ago, Habsburger said: But I don't think anyone here's asked for female German pilots? This whole topic's been about soviet female pilots, which were definitely a real thing. I feel kind of embarassed, this being the first time I've taken part in an internet argument. Sorry about that, everyone! I do believe that the world should work in a certain way. I'm a young man and no doubt have a lot of growing up to do, but I feel like in this conversation I've acted maturely enough. If not, mods will no doubt let me now. You laugh at the idea of social justice, but I believe in being kind and compassionate and basically supporting anything that is found in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. And not being rude to people, unless they act rude towards me or someone else first. If what I've written makes me less of a man, I don't want to be manly. Oh, we’re well aware there are many genetically male persons who will never aspire to masculinity. As a young man myself I have grown up in a world where every leftist political movement has as its target one group-white men. The entire idea of masculinity is called into Question and derision. Falsehoods like a gender pay gap are forced down our throats by leftist media and if it’s not accepted as truth despite the evidence against it you are labeled a misogynistic Neanderthal. The modern left is not more than an extension of soviet style Bolshevism attempting to overthrow the bedrock of western civilization. Identity politics and ‘equality’ are the weapons they use. The farther left they go in the name of ‘equality’ the farther right they push those of us who still produce testosterone and aren’t ashamed of it. Edited April 6, 2018 by 1./JG54_Uwe 4 2
AndyJWest Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said: This is becoming deranged. Indeed. It would appear that the mere mention of 'women' on this forum causes some contributors to fear that their organs of reproduction will fall off. 5
Danziger Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 Lol wtf happened in here? Nothing wrong with female pilots. Nothing wrong with ogling female pilots either as long as you aren't a douche about it. I think one rule should apply to everyone. Nobody said it better than Abraham Lincoln at his San Dimas high school speech when he said, "be excellent to each other". People are too ready to go to war over any little thing... 2
Lusekofte Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, 1./JG54_Uwe said: Oh, we’re well aware there are many genetically male persons who will never aspire to masculinity. As a young man myself I have grown up in a world where every leftist political movement has as its target one group-white men. The entire idea of masculinity is called into Question and derision. Falsehoods like a gender pay gap are forced down our throats by leftist media and if it’s not accepted as truth despite the evidence against it you are labeled a misogynistic Neanderthal. Been in USA many times, in one occasion for 3 month, luckily I know people there with a rather enlightened view on these things. I sense there is a possibility I misread you, I hope I did. Your view is considered obsolete at a time steam engines was invented, or it can easily be understood as such. That said I see no relation in your post that is relevant to what is asked in this tread 1 1 5
Wolfram-Harms Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Trooper117 said: I could just as easily pretend I was Sophia Loren... You could TRY to pretend you were Sofia Loren - but NObody would fall for it, Trooper.
Cybermat47 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 I do like the fact that saying the word “woman” is now a political statement. 1 1
Finkeren Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, Wolfram-Harms said: You could TRY to pretend you were Sofia Loren - but NObody would fall for it, Trooper. I dunno. Trooper is a pretty decent looking fella. I sure wish I will look that good when I get to his age. 1 minute ago, FFS_Cybermat47 said: I do like the fact that saying the word “woman” is now a political statement. Iknowrite? 1
busdriver Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 Oh this is getting locked for sure. BorysVorobyov, a fellow Bill & Ted fan... Wasn’t Abe repeating Rufus? No matter, clearly good advice. Uwe you’re apparently a fan of the old Tarzan movies, “Me Tarzan, you Jane.” 1
Finkeren Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 2 hours ago, 1./JG54_Uwe said: -snip Funny, as a white, hetero, cis-male who is sexually active, likes to play at war, enjoys heavy metal, red meat and exploitation cinema, I should feel under tremendous attack all the time, yet I don’t? 2 1 2
Cybermat47 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 2 hours ago, 1./JG54_Uwe said: -snip- ... you know that there were female pilots in the Soviet Union, right? Lidya Litvyak, Yekaterina Budanova, the Night Witches, etc... It’s funny, I thought that it was just the SJWs who thought that historical facts were sexist political statements.
SCG_Fenris_Wolf Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 Uwe is perfectly right. The amount of white beta-males has become astonishing. And women hate it, it doesn't light a fire in a girl to be around a guy that is constantly weak, without decisive action, without his own head, always considerate to others, usually accompanied by passive aggressive behaviors because nature wants to break through. It's repulsive to the largest part of them, it's not natural, it's damaging to yourself. You don't get it, if you're such a softy, full compassionate, if you actually mirror the ideal woman's characteristics. Especially when you're like that deep down already. This especially refers to you, Senor Habsburger. Read and listen to what Uwe said, and internalize it, reflect upon it. And just be yourself. Or turn into a wizard if you reach 30. 2 1
Finkeren Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said: Uwe is perfectly right. The amount of white beta-males has become astonishing. And women hate it, it doesn't light a fire in a girl to be around a guy that is constantly weak, without decisive action, without his own head, always considerate to others, usually accompanied by passive aggressive behaviors because nature wants to break through. It's repulsive to the largest part of them, it's not natural, it's damaging to yourself. You don't get it, if you're such a softy, full compassionate, if you actually mirror the ideal woman's characteristics. Especially when you're like that deep down already. This especially refers to you, Senor Habsburger. Read and listen to what Uwe said, and internalize it, reflect upon it. And just be yourself. Or turn into a wizard if you reach 30. The irony of deriding people for being a certain way that doesn’t conform to your norms and then ending by saying “just be yourself”... Edited April 6, 2018 by Finkeren 2 1
6./ZG26_Custard Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, Finkeren said: Iknowrite? Check your privilege, it's Womyn. 2 hours ago, Feathered_IV said: This is becoming deranged. It certainly has, its called the culture war 1
Fritz_X Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Finkeren said: Funny, as a white, hetero, cis-male who is sexually active, likes to play at war, enjoys heavy metal, red meat and exploitation cinema, I should feel under tremendous attack all the time, yet I don’t? I couldn't have worded it any better. Thanks alot, Finkeren. I wonder if the fact that I'm having a beautiful fiancee, with a wedding and our first child planned soon makes me a 'beta male' or a winner of society (just kidding, of course it is the latter one). To contribute something to the threads initial cause: I'd like to see a Soviet female pilot. It would be a worthy historical correct addition. 1
SCG_Fenris_Wolf Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Finkeren said: The irony of deriding people for being a certain way that doesn’t conform to your norms and then ending by saying “just be yourself”... There is no irony in that. Natural men aren't pussilacious. Cool word, innit? Anyway, the point is: Keep this culture war out of these forums. Keep SJWing out of these forums. If you want night witches because of a Sabaton song, go for it, you can make your own campaign. The devs have provided you with all the tools necessary. I would like the devs to rather push for fixes in AI behavior, further improving their amazing dynamic campaign (!), for BoBP, put their available working hours into the new cockpits, the textures (they just implemented 4k), Kuban map optimization (which is gfx engineering work again). Just make that campaign yourself. The devs provided you with everything. Edited April 6, 2018 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf
Finkeren Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said: Anyway, the point is: Keep this culture war out of these forums. Your very first post in this thread went like this: Spoiler SJW intruder alert! In my honest opinion, the potential time spent on developing a female pilot that you meet in 1 out of 20 missions in career mode could be spent much better into cockpit mods like Erla Haube, Panzerglass refraction, additional mirrors for Bf-110s, Stukas, Sturmbock variants for FW 190 A, etc. Also, flying in MP with radio voices and half of them being female would kill immersion. That's just not how it was. Especially for the Germans. And it reminds me of the SJW culture of "the current year" in North America, annoying the heck out of me and breaking immersion even harder. I think you are the one who needs to cut back on the culture war ‘tude. 3
Cybermat47 Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said: Keep SJWing out of these forums. I’ve dealt with plenty of SJWs before. And I can’t see any of their nonsense here. If there were SJWs here, they’d be demanding that all white men pay reparations to everyone else before killing them, and boycotting the game until purple otherkin agrisexual pilots were added. 1
SCG_Fenris_Wolf Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) There are no SJW here move along Edited April 6, 2018 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf 1
Mauf Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Finkeren said: I think you are the one who needs to cut back on the culture war ‘tude. This is the interesting bit about these kind of culture war clashes. They're rhetorically rigged to quickly define anyone who backs down as conceding defeat of the own point of view. The erosion of the middle ground so to speak. In the end, the topic of the "clash" is the one losing. Taken to its idiotic extremes, IL2 BOS would either become a "mysogenistic shitfest that denies women's contribution in the war" or it becomes a "history violating piece of nonsense like certain WW2 shooters". We want neither of these people and we know it's better than this. We want IL2 to succeed and fill as many niches as possible. That includes the topic of female pilots and soldiers with proper representation. Given enough time and resources, they will get included I bet. So be patient. 2
6./ZG26_Custard Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Gambit21 said: 800,000 women or so. Likely a conservative number. The majority of soviet women served in medical service and anti-aircraft roles (around 300,000) the 800,000 figure is over the course of the war. In 1943 for instance approximately 350,000 women were military personnel. The 586th flew around 4,500 missions with a 120 odd air battles with 38 aerial victories. The night witches flew approximately 24,000 missions. These numbers come from (soviet women in the frontline, Women’s studies international forum and heroines of the Soviet Union)
dun_aenghus Posted April 6, 2018 Posted April 6, 2018 I'm currently reading a book called "Defending The Motherland" about the USSR's female pilots. Good read so far: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Defending-Motherland-Soviet-Fought-Hitlers/dp/0857051954/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523001903&sr=8-1&keywords=defending+the+motherland Quite a lot to admire about those women. Many of them were really brave and exceptonal pilots. 1 1
1CGS BlackSix Posted April 6, 2018 1CGS Posted April 6, 2018 Politics, off-topic discussion, closed. 2
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