Tompa_73 Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Superexited about this title, even more since early access and getting to try it. Very good and smooth performance for me. Anyway, my pulse went skyhigh when I saw that HE 111 H-6 is one of planes at launch. However, will we be able to fly and operate this plane in missions or MP? And what about the gunners, will they be operated by AI or how will it work, bombsights, cockpit etc. Thank you.
Bando Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Well, if you take a look at Rise of Flight, I guess it will be more or less like that. Bombers can be flown as any crewmember. It'll be exiting to get it done in this sim no doubt. Really looking forward to next friday DD.
BMA_West Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 For ROF bombers and 2-seaters, the gunners are operated by IA but the pilot may change positions and operates bombing from the cockpit or with bomb view for the 2 biggies. In MP anyone may participate as gunner by making a selection out of the available the crew positions. However you better know that it is possible to block crewing before spawning a bomber or 2-seater, also before selecting an available crew position in MP it is considered good etiquette to ask the pilot first. Most likely if a crew position is open he will welcome you aboard and may even give some pointers. It is considered rather bad etiquette to just man a gun pit unannounced and start shooting up the boarded plane or the escorting team LOL Always causes lots of mayhem, this one Why not installing ROF and just giving it a try, the game is for free (with 2 available planes) while you don't have to own the planes in order to be able to crew. In BOS it will most likely be the same while the bomb view may eventually become available for a crew
OBT-Psycho Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 so as I understad it, there is no way in rof to board an aircraft as bomber? I don't have any bomber in RoF, neither my squadmates so I can't try, but it would be so cool! anyhow I can think of several issues why it would not be the case and why it is complicated to make it so... like bombers aircraft control override, but I so want this to b in MP
1./KG4_Blackwolf Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Yeah you can be a gunner but the pilot is the bombardier. My ROF complaint is you have to spawn in and lock the gunners if you don't want any guest flying with you. You should be able to do that in the arming screen. Many times I have had gunners jump in without asking (when I forget to lock) and either shoot up my plane or direct their buddy's on the other side right to me. Like West said ask first most pilots will let you in.
Cybermat47 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 We will be able to fly bombers... Including the beautiful He-111. Damn, I can't wait for the He-111. So crap, yet so beautiful.
Fodder Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 So crap, yet so beautiful. Sounds like both Italian cars I've owned. 1
Tompa_73 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Posted January 8, 2014 Thanks for answering guys. Im really new(noob) in flying multiplayer, I actually started not long ago in Warthunder as a fighter, recently changed to bomber cos I suck at dogfighting and realised that it was fun, have just got HE 111, fell in love with her and discovered it was one of the planes in BoS and the rest is history. Bombers in WT doesnt have cockpit view, thats a big downer for me. Yes I have RoF, the MP menu was quite confusing for me but I finally got in and started in midair only to crash and leave lol. Didnt know about crewpositions, I will try again, this is exiting and new for me. The MP of flying part that is....
BMA_West Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Level bombing with the bomb view eg HP400's is demonstrated by IRFC Requiem here: You'll notice the sight needs input available in the cockpit -beside some genereal mission info- also from that possition some minor rudder input is possible to direct the bomber to taget which has probably induced the devs to make it only available to the pilot.
OBT-Psycho Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 that is the main reason I see for not having bomber position avalaible in multiplayers. 'cause you know... we all had one time a guy that spawn into gunner and started shooting at everything. give that guy hability to mess with rudder control and you just opened the Pandora's box... but still if it's possible add some rights to the pilot, letting him accept or decline request from a player to enter the plane and we are good to go, aren't we?
ShamrockOneFive Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Having bombers is one of the reasons why I applaud many of the choices made by the Battle of Stalingrad team in which planes to bring to the table. In terms of variety and usefulness the He111H-6 and Pe-2 are great multi-position bombers for the Stalingrad battle. Useful and well used in this and other battles.
ShamrockOneFive Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Without forgeting the widely used JU87! I consider the Ju87 to be a bit of a different aircraft. It's not a multi-engine, multi-position aircraft... just the pilot and the gunner more like the IL-2 but with a different attack delivery method. Very happy to see this critically historical plane added as well. It's really a well rounded stable... a couple of key fighters, a single engine attack type aircraft (technically attack and dive bombing) and two twin-engine bombers. The He111 being a level bomber only and the Pe-2 being both level bombing and dive bombing capable. It's quite a good selection.
Finkeren Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) My main problem with bombers in RoF unfortunately seems to be carried over into BoS: the generic bomb sights. When so many other things in RoF are modelled with such attention to detail and historical accuracy, it's really a shame, that we can't have historically correct bomb sights with different features and methods of control, operating within their historical limitations and having their own unique visuals. Edited January 9, 2014 by Finkeren
jaydee Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Sounds like both Italian cars I've owned. Fiats and Lancias ?
Meteor2 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 My main problem with bombers in RoF unfortunately seems to be carried over into BoS: the generic bomb sights. When so many other things in RoF are modelled with such attention to detail and historical accuracy, it's really a shame, that we can't have historically correct bomb sights with different features and methods of control, operating within their historical limitations and having their own unique visuals. Are you quite sure about this ? Is this really evident ? I am hoping for a detailed and (more or less) correct modeling...(have a look at my picture :-) ).
Georgio Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 The best representation of bombing in simming was B17 II using the Norden bombsight. The jewel in the sim was the realistic operation of the bombsight which was difficult to get right but very satisfying when you did. It was a pity that it was way ahead of it's time and lacked core features that were supposed to be in at release like MP plane postions. But for that it was still reasonable at release and even better a few years after when the rigs improved to give decent framerates. If you see it in a sale it's worth picking up.
=RvE=Windmills Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 My main problem with bombers in RoF unfortunately seems to be carried over into BoS: the generic bomb sights. Have they even said anything about this?
Finkeren Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 It's a long time ago, but there was a discussion, where someone from the team confirmed, that they were looking at a model similar to RoF. I'll try to dig up, in which discussion it was.
6./ZG26_Emil Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 It was in one of the updates with a lot of questions and answers iirc
6./ZG26_Emil Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Hmmm I cannot find it for the life of me :S
Sokol1 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Better dont dream so much.... http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/785-level-bombing-ie-he111/?do=findComment&comment=14611 http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/785-level-bombing-ie-he111/?do=findComment&comment=14626 Sokol1
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