Battle of Bodenplatte

[BadBud]

When is BoB expected to be ready for release?

BadBud

[ShamrockOneFive]

There's a lot in there from the official announcement. Early Access should begin sometime this spring (I'm guessing late spring... May or June) probably with the Spitfire IX or Bf109G-14 and then it will grow from there. I'd estimate that the release is about 12 months after that. So Spring 2019 release date. We'll have a lot of content before Spring 2019 no doubt just as IL-2: Battle of Kuban slowly released new content until we had most of it nearly 7 months ago.

 

BTW: I think we're going with BoBp in order to not confuse BoB (The Battle of Britain aka IL-2: Cliffs of Dover).

 

 

[CrazyDuck]

I cannot help, but this Battle of Bodenplatte name still doesn't go well into my ear.

A simple "Battle of the Bulge" for example would sound much better. But, we'll have to live with it I guess.

[ShamrockOneFive]

4 hours ago, CrazyDuck said:

I cannot help, but this Battle of Bodenplatte name still doesn't go well into my ear.

A simple "Battle of the Bulge" for example would sound much better. But, we'll have to live with it I guess.

 

Except we don't know if the Battle of the Bulge is entirely on the map. Some of that battle probably but the rest of it not.

 

The naming isn't ideal and there may not be an easy name for this to go with the convention already established. Kuban is a region, Stalingrad and Moscow are cities, but all of those battles are very contained. The September 1944 to March 1945 battle area along the western front is over multiple cities, towns, and countries. The Baseplate/Bodenplatte operation is probably the most recognizable event during that time that focuses on the air war.

[CrazyDuck]

2 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

Except we don't know if the Battle of the Bulge is entirely on the map. Some of that battle probably but the rest of it not.

 

The naming isn't ideal and there may not be an easy name for this to go with the convention already established. Kuban is a region, Stalingrad and Moscow are cities, but all of those battles are very contained. The September 1944 to March 1945 battle area along the western front is over multiple cities, towns, and countries. The Baseplate/Bodenplatte operation is probably the most recognizable event during that time that focuses on the air war.

 

Well, that's precisely why the name "Battle of the Bulge" appears a lot more convenient to me. Battle of the Bulge does not refer to the entire western front from September 1944 to March 1945 - it lasted about a month (Dec44 - Jan45) and is very contained, you can cover it basically with a map of 100x100 km. The needed map to cover all operations (including home bases of german attackers) for the Battle of Bodenplatte is actually bigger than the one of the Battle of the Bulge, containing even more cities. However, I trust the developers have thought it through and chose the theatre and the name the best they could.

 

All I'm pointing out is that the "Bodenplatte" was a name of an operation, not a battle per se, therefore it sounds weird. It's like saying: "Battle of Overlord" - and if it was up to me I'd rather name it after a battle - which would stay in the context of previous titles. I'm quite sure the devs had deep debates about this and surely there are a lot of reasons for their choice.

[ShamrockOneFive]

It's still an issue where if the map doesn't really contain the full extent of the Battle of the Bulge it's a bit of a misnomer to call it that. Bodenplatte sounds weird but is a tiny bit more accurate in terms of what it represents.

 

Neither represent the full time period that it looks like the devs are planning to include.

[CrazyDuck]

Ah, I see your point. Ardennes offensive actually took place in the middle of the Battle of Bodenplatte theatre of operations! I've overlayed both maps here:

 

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Exactly. At this point its splitting hairs either way but I can see why they decided what they did.

 

I don't know if even the devs are fully certain on how much territory the map will include ultimately. Should be interesting to find out when they have decided and show off the area planned. I'm excited no matter what

[Aap]

It is what it is, but I also think that Battle of the Bulge would have been a better choice. There was actually a battle called like that and the main point of Operation Bodenplatte was to gain at least limited air superiority to support this battle. So why not call the title after a well known battle, like the previous titles, instead of picking a single operation within the battle and creating an odd-sounding name for the title that will inevitably create topics like that in the future also.

[dburne]

11 minutes ago, II./JG77_Kemp said:

It is what it is, but I also think that Battle of the Bulge would have been a better choice. There was actually a battle called like that and the main point of Operation Bodenplatte was to gain at least limited air superiority to support this battle. So why not call the title after a well known battle, like the previous titles, instead of picking a single operation within the battle and creating an odd-sounding name for the title that will inevitably create topics like that in the future also.

 

Yep my father was in the Army in WWII, and fought on the lines in the Battle of the Bulge.

He got frozen feet from that battle and was hospitalized for a few weeks.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

 

7 hours ago, CrazyDuck said:

I cannot help, but this Battle of Bodenplatte name still doesn't go well into my ear.

A simple "Battle of the Bulge" for example would sound much better. But, we'll have to live with it I guess.

 

I think something strange happened in the process of creating the English title. The Russian title is "Ил-2 Штурмовик: Операция Боденплатте" (Il-2 Sturmovik: Operation Bodenplatte). 

 

It's surprising that they replaced "Operation" with "Battle" in the English title. I understand the need to clearly associate it with the Great Battles series, but at what cost? The disparate names in the old Il-2 series didn't seem to cause any problems. 

[Sharpe43]

I suppose something got lost in translation..

[PantsPilot]

Erm shouldn't there be the Griffon powered, 5 bladed prop Spitfire XIV in this game? The Spitfire IX was a 1942 aircraft!!!!

[LukeFF]

1 minute ago, PantsPilot said:

Erm shouldn't there be the Griffon powered, 5 bladed prop Spitfire XIV in this game? The Spitfire IX was a 1942 aircraft!!!!

 

Forum search. Use it.

[PantsPilot]

8 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Forum search. Use it.

What do you mean? 

Nope forum search didn't bring up anything on Spitfire XIV with or without Bodenplatte for me.....so would you care to enlighten me? Anyway can't see any valid reason why this superb fighter which outperformed both the Dora 9 and the P-51D should be left out - except perhaps for those very reasons? If it's gen on the plane you could try asking an aviation historian in the UK.... 

[BOO]

10 minutes ago, PantsPilot said:

What do you mean? 

Nope forum search didn't bring up anything on Spitfire XIV with or without Bodenplatte for me.....so would you care to enlighten me? Anyway can't see any valid reason why this superb fighter which outperformed both the Dora 9 and the P-51D should be left out - except perhaps for those very reasons? If it's gen on the plane you could try asking an aviation historian in the UK.... 

if you hit the forums tab and type in "XIV" it brings up 11 pages for threads most relating to Griffon (or the absence) of it discussion. Id imagine that most if not all the for and against arguments are in there somewhere

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, PantsPilot said:

Erm shouldn't there be the Griffon powered, 5 bladed prop Spitfire XIV in this game? The Spitfire IX was a 1942 aircraft!!!!

 

The Spitfire IX we're getting is definitely not a 1942 aircraft. We're getting a LF.IXe with a Merlin 66 engine (rather than a Merlin 61 or 63 as per the 1942 version). There were many changes through the life of the Mark IX and we'll be seeing a late model. This type was the bread and butter of the 2nd TAF's fighter force equipping dozens of squadrons on Jan 1st 1945.

 

The XIV I'd love to see and we may yet as a Collector Plane.

1 hour ago, BOO said:

if you hit the forums tab and type in "XIV" it brings up 11 pages for threads most relating to Griffon (or the absence) of it discussion. Id imagine that most if not all the for and against arguments are in there somewhere

 

Also this. We've had numerous lengthy discussions.