Doogerie Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 has anyone ever flowen using an external view. i never have flowen a whoel mission like that but have used it as an aid in take off and landinding when I am in a new air craft just whil I am getting used to how the aircraft reacts like a traning aid will we have an external view in the new sim becaus it is really usefull for traning.
dburne Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 The only time I have ever used an external view, in any of my flightsims, is momentarily to view the eye candy so to speak. Pretty much all my flying is done within the cockpit. 1
Ribbs Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) I would rest assured that it will have an external view...usually they always have them. S! For the eye candy of course Edited December 30, 2012 by 352ndRibbs
startrekmike Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 I would never try to actually fly a mission or do combat in external but I do like it as a option for the before or after battle eye candy on long flights.
Bearcat Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Me too.. One thing that really impressed me with IL2 back when I first got it was that whole flyby view.. I was an F3ing fiend.. I thought it was so cool. My first real flight sim was CFS1 .. I got CFS 2 but it was OK to me.. When I got IL2 it just grabbed me y'know.. In so may ways.. The sounds.. the flak sounds ... I had seen it in the stores.. but I looked at it and said.. "Where's the P-51?!!" .. and my local Best Buy had CFS 1 set up on a PC ... I was walking by and I tried it.. Real schway that was.. I didn't know it but the ug got me at that moment.. I had just moved into town on a wing and a very big prayer...literally.... this was around summer 01... and I had very little money to mess with.. but I had been wanting to get a "WWII flying game" for the PC ever since I had a PC.. which was right after my now 22 year old daughter was born.. ( I already had F-117 Night Hawk and Warbirds II but WBII was bad for offline.) I had just upgraded my DX486 machine to a PII .. 233MHZ.. (OoOOOOoooo blazing fast.. ) before I moved down.. Anyway.. I ran into a guy in the parking lot of Best Buy one day when I was doing my customary drive by.. to see if CFS 3 was released yet.. This guy said he already had it .. and he said IT SUUUUUCKKED!! What!!! No Way man!! .. and he told me about this Russian sim.. something called.. IL2 -_- I had upgraded again for CFS 3 so by then I had an XP1600 with a R9000 GPU.. Man I got IL2 home and installed it and booted it.. My forst night I was like.. this thing SUCKS!! You cant even take off..!! WTF!!! .. but there was something about it.. so I tried the next night.. and the next.. and then I discovered the tracks.. WHAT THE H@LL IS THIS!! THIS THING HAS MOVIES!!! I started watching the tracks.. then one day by accident I was paused and I hit my mouse.. The view changed!! WTH!!! Heeeeeeyyy this is pretty cool!!! I started watching tracks and I found I could also switch perspective as well.. and I discoverd F3.. the flyby.. Oooooo this is nice.. Then I started flying again... Open pit of course that was what I was used to... After I had the sim for about a month or so give or take a few weeks I discovered UBI.. and the PL.. and the rest is history.. I flew for a while in F8.. and no pit.. but as I got better I wanted more and I eventually wound up in the pit.. but I always did like that F3.. and i always liked to watch the action after I died .. which was usually quick and often.. I like what IL2 has done with views now .. and I hope that BoS has that kind of viewing system.. where those options are there.. You want to see friendly only? Doable.. Externals only after you die or land.. which ever comes first? Doable.. I always liked the eye candy after the death..
AndyJWest Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Yeah, the flyby views always give a better impression of movement - and (oh dear, I'm doing it again..) RoF has the right approach. Record a mission on a cockpit-only server, and you can review it (and make videos) later with the external views enabled. Not just useful for video either - good for working out what actually happened during those frantic few seconds between flying along admiring the scenery and plummeting downwards minus wings, tailplane, and dignity. IL-2 '46 always suffered in this regard, though there were many excellent combat videos made - but RoF (and CloD too, as I understand it, though you need a little 'fix' for the 'in cockpit recording' problem) makes it a lot easier. You can even position an external camera on the fly from an existing recording, to get the best view of the action for your video masterpieces. It still takes a lot of skill to make a good movie, but the tools are there to help. And then there is the 'bomb - follower' view - ideal for figuring out why you missed, and for screenshots of the rare occasions when you get it right. At which point, another entirely gratuitous RoF screenshot or two seems appropriate. A 'follow the bomb' shot of a nice little target of opportunity I spotted online one day in RoF.. ...and the result - from a screenshot with the camera 'frozen' as it followed the bomb. I think I missed (from 7,000 ft or so in a D.H.4) as I'd not set the bombsight properly: A little closer, and I'd have wiped out the entire Jasta. I'm looking forward to a chance to do the same in BoS. Lining up on the airfield for formation takeoffs looks impressive, guys, but don't forget to look up.
LAL_spider67 Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 External views are very important for guys that make missions, to follow timing for trigger or sub-missions. It didn't work as it might in COD, it was a choice by the conceptors, and maybe it'll be changed for the next opus, I think. 1
FlatSpinMan Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Yes, it's very helpful if you're building a mission or campaign alright. Plus it just looks awesome. I'm sure there'll be great provision made for it in BoS. RoF already has great external options.
III/JG11_Simmox Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 just as long as its switchable by the server to allow us full real nuts,to get our jollies when the squad v squad action starts:)
TheCheese Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Andy sort of touched on this, I just wanted to point out: Any of you ever seen any Il-2 movies/videos? Rise of Flight videos? CloD videos? The thousands of epic screenshots? How do you think those are made? Think the developers would scrap such a thing?
Feuerfalke Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) In locked Cockpit-Mode, I would just like to be able to switch to external views, after you have landed your plane. Like walking around your crate and check the damage. Edited January 1, 2013 by Feuerfalke 1
=BKHZ=Furbs Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Outside view when dead or landed for COOP's would be great, one of the options missed and wanted for IL2 for years, how easy to do i dont know.
Bearcat Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Outside view when dead or landed for COOP's would be great, one of the options missed and wanted for IL2 for years, how easy to do i dont know. I can't speak on how doable it will be in BoS .. but IL2 has this already after 4.11 .. and before that it was a mod feature. This is one reason why I think that if IL2 .. not RoF or CoD is used as the primary bench mark for BoS .. with nods to both of the other sims where applicable it would be more successful overall. IL2 now does so many things well.. from icon settings to views.. to server settings.. if a way could be found to put a MDS style coop in BoS .. it would be absolutely fantastic and that feature alone if everything else was up to speed or at least comparable to what we now have in IL2 would put BoS head and shoulders above anything else out there..
Feuerfalke Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Agreed. While CloD had a lot of brilliant ideas, many of them didn't work or were not implemented in the first release. So, as iconic CloD's ideas might have been, the benchmark is still set by IL2 in almost any regard.
Jetlagg Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 No one has mentioned ROF's "camera shake" yet! I really hope this makes it into the game because it definitely adds to the sense of motion and flight.
Mac_Messer Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 My first two weeks with IL2 was flying external padlock, because obviously I could not get used to the numpad lookaround system. I think any newcomer needs this view, because any of us started from down low, getting airborne and then when one gets aquainted with the basics, he starts some advanced stuff.
Feuerfalke Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 No one has mentioned ROF's "camera shake" yet! I really hope this makes it into the game because it definitely adds to the sense of motion and flight. But hopefully with a tuneable shake. At some zoom-levels the movement is too fast - even for a WW1-Plane as a virtual camera-basis.
=BKHZ=Furbs Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 I can't speak on how doable it will be in BoS .. but IL2 has this already after 4.11 .. and before that it was a mod feature. This is one reason why I think that if IL2 .. not RoF or CoD is used as the primary bench mark for BoS .. with nods to both of the other sims where applicable it would be more successful overall. IL2 now does so many things well.. from icon settings to views.. to server settings.. if a way could be found to put a MDS style coop in BoS .. it would be absolutely fantastic and that feature alone if everything else was up to speed or at least comparable to what we now have in IL2 would put BoS head and shoulders above anything else out there.. I never knew that about 4.11, cheers. But hopefully with a tuneable shake. At some zoom-levels the movement is too fast - even for a WW1-Plane as a virtual camera-basis. Maybe tuned to the weather(turbulence)? 2
Feuerfalke Posted January 2, 2013 Posted January 2, 2013 Maybe tuned to the weather(turbulence)? That's a really nice idea!
Bearcat Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 I never knew that about 4.11, cheers. Yes that's one reason why I say that IL2 should be included in whatever yardstick is being used as to what is possible and what is good.. It wold seem silly to me to repeat some fo the same mistakes that IL2, CoD or RoF had,... I am hoping that will e the case.
Heywooood Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 ...speaking of 'flyby view' - one of the best things about original iL2 was not only that it introduced this view (to me anyways) in a flight sim...but that, during an attack, you could see and hear the tracer rounds as they went past the virtual camera...and see the chunks fly off the target aircraft in what was the most ridiculously advanced damage model of any combat sim of the time. it really enhanced the fun when you could save your 'track' and view it from multiple cameras in a cinematic, slo motion way - FSX offers some of the same control - as does DCS series and RoF - with RoF offering as close a mirror to iL2 original in variety and control to the user of the cameras and views. Does any one know where to find that original track used to promote iL2 ? ( a white Lavochkin chasing and attacking an He111 in a snowstorm post twilight ) I don't suppose anyone else seeing that vid for the first time was as stunned as I was when I first saw it?...
voncrapenhauser Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 has anyone ever flowen using an external view. i never have flowen a whoel mission like that but have used it as an aid in take off and landinding when I am in a new air craft just whil I am getting used to how the aircraft reacts like a traning aid will we have an external view in the new sim becaus it is really usefull for traning. sometimes use over tail views on landing esspecially in ROF as your goggles can get oil on them if you've taken an engine hit. But external veiws are cool to look at on way to target and in the excellent,Editable and saveable replay function in ROF. I hope thats one of the features they bring over to BOS.? With a few more camera angles too like a fixable positionable camera? :D CLOD's replay function is poor by comparison but a combination of the two could be a real WOW factor
DD_fruitbat Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 One thing i really like about the external views in CloD, is the ability to use 6dof with your track IR in taking screenshots, allows for excellent image composition and i love being able to 'roll' the landscape. I Hope you will be able to do this in BoS as well. 1
migmadmarine Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 Only as an option, otherwise I found the TrackIR control for externals horrid.
dburne Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 I too would really like to see Track IR able to be used in external views. ROF and DCS both I believe do not offer this, and have to resort to using a hat or mouse.
J4SCrisZeri Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Im sorry about the question; probably not the right place/time/whatever for it but what do we know about the replay/cameras system in BoS, so far? Thanks for any kind of help or infos Edited June 28, 2013 by J4Scriszeri
Uufflakke Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 Im sorry about the question; probably not the right place/time/whatever for it but what do we know about the replay/cameras system in BoS, so far? Thanks for any kind of help or infos There will be a replay/rewind option for recording tracks in BoS just like ROF has. http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/topic/679-developer-diary-part-xix/page-2 (see post #76 and afterwards)
J4SCrisZeri Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 There will be a replay/rewind option for recording tracks in BoS just like ROF has. http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/topic/679-developer-diary-part-xix/page-2 (see post #76 and afterwards) thank you very much reading that now!
migmadmarine Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 Regarding Track IR in external in ROF, you need to use mouse (which I personally prefer in external) but you can still piviot the camera by holding down MMB (i think, might be right mouse) and get much of the same effect.
hiro Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 I like the external view, and like bearcat, spammed F3 . . . I do know lots of machinima using IL-2 1946 used the external views. I think mission 4 today still has them flying though I had to have some reference point, so I used the wonder woman with dials and later full pit when I got track IR. Its also useful for looking around your aircraft during taxiing to get a feel for the dimensions
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