109g-6 30mm Cannon is op......

[Wanganui_Wildcat]

It took the right wing clean off......

 

.....actually it was a poorly placed piece of heavy machinery, poor yak 3

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by =IL2AUS=Wanganui_Wildcat

[SAS_Storebror]

Here is the full story:

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/wanaka/plane-crashes-warbirds-opening

 

Poor Yak indeed. Glad the pilot didn't get hurt.

 

Cheers!

Mike

[Haza]

Dear Jason,

 

Please can we have the MK108 fitted with Cherry-Picker ammo in the next update?

 

Joking aside, thankfully nobody was hurt.

Edited April 1, 2018 by Haza

[Yakdriver]

someone got their nuts ripped off for that!
i hope.
(do not breed, you stupid.....)
 

[RaFiGer]

Too sad

 

Good that the pilot is unhurt, but it is too sad to see such a lovely plane damaged by a stupid displacement

 

We collected money at that time for the rebuilding the "Rote 7" of EADS Bf-109 G4 after the landing crash in Denmark, so IL2 Community share a bit in rebuilding efforts:

http://www.worldwarbirdnews.com/2013/08/20/eadsmesserschmitt-bf-109-red-7-crash-lands-again-in-denmark/

 

[Wanganui_Wildcat]

Warning, this is hard to watch!!! 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by =IL2AUS=Wanganui_Wildcat

[Blutaar]

Why didnt he landed on the concrete? Without any knowledge of the subject i would say its the pilots and or the ground crews fault. He must have seen that big red crane type of machinery when rolling in for final just like we see planes and stuff on the runway when we are coming in in our computer game.

[Wanganui_Wildcat]

No idea of the full story, Wanaka is normally and un-controlled aerodrome but I am pretty sure it is controlled for the airshow so maybe that is what he was cleared, it was at the very start of the day so im guessing he was the first to land there? but yeah I would have thought he would have seen it on finals however I guess not.

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by =IL2AUS=Wanganui_Wildcat

[JtD]

They don't land on the concrete because it is harder for the aircraft - starts with tires, but goes on with suspension and structure. Grass is softer, so they typically use it.

 

An odd accident, sad to see it happen. Luckily no one was hurt.

[Blutaar]

14 minutes ago, JtD said:

They don't land on the concrete because it is harder for the aircraft - starts with tires, but goes on with suspension and structure. Grass is softer, so they typically use it.

 

That makes sense. Thanks for pointing out, i thought concrete would be better because its harder and is more flat and therefore more safe. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Very glad to hear that the pilot was unhurt and I do hope they will be able to do something about restoring that Yak-3 to performance status again. I've watched many a YouTube video of that Yak performing at Wanaka and they really put on a great show.

 

This reminds me of the incident with Russell Aviation Group in Niagara Falls where a neighbor put up a flagpole where he shouldn't have and their Bf109E that they owned at the time hit it on landing. No idea what happened there but surely there was a big investigation.

[Wolfram-Harms]

I fail to understand that. The red crane didn't suddenly pop up there like from a time machine, did it???

[CrazyDuck]

Glad to see pilot is OK. He could have hit that machine directly with his engine...

[Finkeren]

32 minutes ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

I fail to understand that. The red crane didn't suddenly pop up there like from a time machine, did it???

 

From a distance it can be very difficult for the pilot to judge, if there was enough room on the grass runway, he probably just assumed, that the cherry picker was parked at a safe distance, and once his tail was on the ground he would have had pretty much no direct view of the machinery until it was too late.

[Wolfram-Harms]

Well, Wanaka seem to have quite a history of failures and crashes - I found at least three other videos from their recent air shows.
I have never heard from such shit so often from German airshows. So I dare to guess, that they handle their safety precautions

a little bit too light handed there.

Edited March 31, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, JtD said:

They don't land on the concrete because it is harder for the aircraft - starts with tires, but goes on with suspension and structure. Grass is softer, so they typically use it.

 

An odd accident, sad to see it happen. Luckily no one was hurt.

Not only that, it is easier to keep the aircraft straight and keep it from bouncing. Tail draggers don't like concrete, as concrete runways very quickly give a lot of traction and very little anchoring effect to the tail wheel which causes the aircraft to swing when you touch down crabwise.

 

Tricycle gears are much less sensitive to that and you can see how people thend to use that by landing crabwise under crosswind conditions. As the tail remains up and the tail fin effective aerodynamically, it hardly initiates a swing to the airframe. You do that in taildraggers, you will sommersault rather quickly.

 

Thus, much comes down to the rudder losing effectivity as soon as the tail sits down, as you have nothing but the brakes to counter the swing from sitting down crabwise. On grass, the small tailwheel will act as an "anchor" and keep the tail from swinging around.

 

If you make a proper landing, you're perfectly fine on concrete. But you just heve much less margin for errors. And errors do happen. So, if you have the choice, you always take grass over concrete if you're convinced that it is in good condition.

[MeoW.Scharfi]

He drifted away to the right side. What's more frustrating is the fact that these objects are way too close to the gras runway. The organiser failed.

Edited March 31, 2018 by MeoW.Scharfi

[ZachariasX]

16 minutes ago, MeoW.Scharfi said:

He drifted away to the right side. What's more frustrating is the fact that these objects are way too close to the gras runway. The organiser failed.

That is a total failure from the side of the organizer. But it is also telltale of how little you can see forward on approach with that plane. Once in approach, you basically have to assume that the runway is there as you expect it to be. To me it really looks like the pilot had no idea that there was something in his way until he hit it.

[sevenless]

My bet is he decided to land on the grass strip although he got no clearance to do so. The article said he's been flying planes for over 50 years, so he should know the rules. However, glad he didn't get injured. A pitty what happened to the YAK.

2 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

I fail to understand that. The red crane didn't suddenly pop up there like from a time machine, did it???

 

Everyone knows it is placed there to film the airplanes. So yes id certainly didn't pop out of nowhere. Glad that no camera crew was operating from the crane at the time.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Insurance scam. 

[ITAF_Rani]

In this case....poor yak !!

[216th_Jordan]

Apart from the misery: impressive how the gear handled the impact and being forced around this violently, then the right strut collapses when it comes to a halt. Its just like I've seen it in Il-2 quite often..
I've always actually believed gear was modelled too strong in Il-2, but recently I've come to question this idea.

Edited March 31, 2018 by 216th_Jordan

[7.GShAP/Silas]

8 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

Well, Wanaka seem to have quite a history of failures and crashes - I found at least three other videos from their recent air shows.
I have never heard from such shit so often from German airshows. So I dare to guess, that they handle their safety precautions

a little bit too light handed there.

 

Wanaka is a small village in the middle of nowhere in a tiny country, so there is a bit of cowboy attitude.  And they aren't German(except for all the tourists) . 

 

 

I used to live in Queenstown but never paid attention to the Warbirds airshow.  Maybe some other time, seems top-notch.

Edited March 31, 2018 by 7.GShAP/Silas

[Wolfram-Harms]

27 minutes ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

I used to live in Queenstown but never paid attention to the Warbirds airshow.  Maybe some other time, seems top-notch.

 

You didn't??? If I lived there, I'd go to see it every year, I guess.
Have you never seen Peter Jackson's airfield with all those WW1 warbird replicas they build at THE VINTAGE AVIATOR ?

New Zealand seems to be a paradise for historical aviation!

[Jason_Williams]

Oh man that sucks!

 

Jason

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

48 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

Oh man that sucks!

 

Jason

Jason!   Nice to hear from you! Hope you’re having a wonderful Easter weekend!

[Willy__]

Quote

It is one of fewer than 10 in the world still flying and is estimated to be worth well over $1 million. 

 

One down, 9 more to go.... 

[69th_chuter]

Wow.  We've got an Allison Yak and a couple of Pratt (1830) Yaks I've frequently seen not far from me here in California and they routinely operate from pavement without issues.  This guy landed on the parallel grass no doubt due to his unfamiliarity with type (required reaction time to yaw deviation is reduced although brake effectiveness is as well) and he floats like halfway down the road before touchdown and then, as mentioned previously, he veers right without much visible rudder input, although, to be fair, he may have been hard on the left brake (reduced effectiveness due to grass and speed).  Striking a stationary object is always something to avoid on one's resume regardless of where it is.

[Wanganui_Wildcat]

I would imagine it will be insurance job, hopefully they will repair it. We have some pretty world class restoration companies up at Ardmore airport in Auckland which I'm sure would be able to get her back in the air. 

[HBPencil]

16 hours ago, sevenless said:

My bet is he decided to land on the grass strip although he got no clearance to do so.

Everyone knows it is placed there to film the airplanes.

Given how the neither the CAA or the airshow organizers have released the findings of their investigations I can't see how you can make those claims.
To quote the airshow's General Manager "Airshow general manager Ed Taylor said the cherry picker was on the runway as part of "an event that was happening shortly afterwards", but it was still to be determined whether or not it should have been cleared off the runway for Dovey's landing."
From this link: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102740799/plane-crashes-at-warbirds-over-wanaka-festival

 

6 hours ago, chuter said:

Wow.  We've got an Allison Yak and a couple of Pratt (1830) Yaks I've frequently seen not far from me here in California and they routinely operate from pavement without issues.  This guy landed on the parallel grass no doubt due to his unfamiliarity with type (required reaction time to yaw deviation is reduced although brake effectiveness is as well) and he floats like halfway down the road before touchdown and then, as mentioned previously, he veers right without much visible rudder input, although, to be fair, he may have been hard on the left brake (reduced effectiveness due to grass and speed).  Striking a stationary object is always something to avoid on one's resume regardless of where it is.

The pilot is also the owner and has had it for years, he's a long time regular on the NZ warbird/airshow scene and raced this aircraft at Reno last year as well as multiple displays at the Wanaka airshow, so I wouldn't say he's unfamiliar with the type or with the airport either.

 

YouTube is full of vids of the Warbirds Over Wanaka airshow over the years and so there's lots of footage of warbirds landing on the grass.
Although not Wanaka, here's a vid (with great audio!) of warbirds landing on both the runway and the grass at another airport here in NZ:

 

21 minutes ago, =IL2AUS=Wanganui_Wildcat said:

I would imagine it will be insurance job, hopefully they will repair it. We have some pretty world class restoration companies up at Ardmore airport in Auckland which I'm sure would be able to get her back in the air. 

I'm confident he will, but he may take it to Jem Aviation at Omaka (another place with top notch restorers ) as they're the guys who restored it for him when he purchased it as a wreck after someone else crashed it on take-off at Reno.

Edited April 1, 2018 by HBPencil
Updated link

[Haza]

16 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

Well, Wanaka seem to have quite a history of failures and crashes - I found at least three other videos from their recent air shows.
I have never heard from such shit so often from German airshows. So I dare to guess, that they handle their safety precautions

a little bit too light handed there.

 

 

We best not then mention that big airshow between 1939-1945.

Safety precautions were out of the window.

However,  joking aside and in all seriousness,  I was at the Ramstein airshow in 1988, although i guess technically you could say it was an American airshow rather than a German airshow.  However, thankfully at the Wanaka one, as previously discussed, thankfully it was only the metal that was broken!

Edited April 1, 2018 by Haza

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Well, thankfully there are still parts for Yak-3 out there. 

[Wolfram-Harms]

Ramstein Air Base is an American airfield indeed.

But yeah, that was a real desaster, as it was a mid-air collision with full fuel tanks...

 

You are a lucky man, when you were there and remained unhurt, Haza! You should celebrate a second birthday that date.

From what I saw it was a real horror.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2018 by Wolfram-Harms

[Haza]

Just now, Wolfram-Harms said:

Ramstein Air Base is an American airfield indeed.

But yeah, that was a real desaster, as it was a mid-air collision with full fuel tanks...

 

You are a lucky man, when you were there and remained unhurt, Haza! You should celebrate a second birthday that date.

From what I saw it was a real horror.

 

 

 

At my age I'm thankful for one at a time, never mind two a year!

Yes a very unfortunate accident indeed, however, like most airshow accidents, lessons are learnt, however, I just hope that they do not stop having the airshows

Allowing people to see and hear these machines, keeps the whole spirit of military aviation alive.

 

PS   Going to school in Gatow started my interest in aviation!!

Edited April 1, 2018 by Haza

[Wolfram-Harms]

27 minutes ago, Haza said:

At my age I'm thankful for one at a time, never mind two a year!

 

Mmuahahahaaa!!! I know what you mean!

 

Quote

Going to school in Gatow started my interest in aviation!!

 

Gatow near Berlin-Spandau???

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

That's a museum now.

 

Without Warbirds, they have been removed due to multistage water damage in Hangar 3. 

[=FEW=Hauggy]

RIP Yak I have to hope this was a replica.

Was it?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Why make Replicas of widely available Aircraft?

[=FEW=Hauggy]

Well I don't know for example the Mosquito didn't survive and if you see one flying it's a replica and nothing else.

Also I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the one we got in "Le Bourget" is the only remaining Yak-3 in the world that could fly and I actually went to see it fly myself.

I was there that year :

I also remember that we lost the last remaining Dewoitine 520 that could fly a few decades ago in a similar accident.

These thing are a lot more rare than you may think.

I've also seen that some people fly I-16s replicas completely made out of scratch so it's a thing yes, I've also seen a replica of a Mosquito with Renault engines.

 

Edited April 5, 2018 by =FEW=Hauggy

[AKA_Ramstein]

On 4/1/2018 at 4:12 AM, Haza said:

 

 

We best not then mention that big airshow between 1939-1945.

Safety precautions were out of the window.

However,  joking aside and in all seriousness,  I was at the Ramstein airshow in 1988, although i guess technically you could say it was an American airshow rather than a German airshow.  However, thankfully at the Wanaka one, as previously discussed, thankfully it was only the metal that was broken!

I just saw this thread. I was stationed at Ramstein airbase, Germany for 3 years, 79-82. I worked the flight line a couple and communications another year.

E-4 Sergeant. I had a tow places off base, Landstuhl and Einsiedlerhof. Among my favorite places were skiing in Austria. I flew all over and was in aircraft and helos. Before then, I was in SAC with B52's and Tankers up on the Canadian Border of the Dakotas. F-16's were just coming in to replace the again F-4 Phantoms when I left. I worked with the British harriers that went to o the Falklands and the rescues for the Iranian Hostages. Broke my heart to see the Brit alpha (cancelled in DCS) jet get screwed around after working with the aerobatic teams that used that aircraft by the Brits and Italians and others in airshows. PLus got to work with a Spitfire during the shows each year. So sad that accident screwed up such a wonderful yearly event. I almost got killed from some terrorists that used an airshow to scout for a target to blow up, as they blew up a Nato building I worked a few hundred feet from and they blew it up one morning when I was at work a few hundred feet from it when the building was destroyed by a bomb they planted during one of the airshows. Take Care.