Planes disappearing could be cloud related

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

I was on Wing of Liberty last night in the CrimeaSpring44ksp-WL-301-02n mission. The cloud base is 3000m (guessing here) and the clouds in this mission are scattered and voluminous with when close look to have wispy edges.

 

I was flying north at 5k when I spotted a Yak 1b flying south at around 4k at approx off to my right at around 5k. The path of the Yak 1b had it flying through a cloudless area of the sky i.e. there were not clouds below or withing 1000m either side of the Yak 1b.

 

While tracking the Yak 1b as I came around and proceeded to chase on a lead pursuit I saw the plane disappear 3 times.

 

Each time the plane disappeared there was a distant cloud behind the plane. Each time it looked liked the plane was going through the cloud. The second instance in particular was interesting in that the Yak 1b only in front of the 'top' of the cloud (i.e. the base was say 500 long and the highest part at the top was 250m long figures for demonstration purposes only) it disappeared before reappearing exactly where the cloud ended.

 

 

Over the last few months all instances of aircraft disappearing aside from one instance could fit into this scenario.

[EisenWaffel]

I noticed this same thing starting with 3.0 and learned it's due to anti-aliasing, if you turn off AA planes will appear in front of clouds the way they should. They say it's always been like this and is a limitation of the AA implementation but I've always run BoS with 4x ingame AA and had never seen planes disappearing behind clouds especially not clouds that are 40km or more behind the plane. I think the only thing you can do right now is turn off AA and instead run at a higher resolution/DSR if you need too, hopefully they look into this because the effect looks really strange.

[Leon_Portier]

Good to see I´m not the only one, Ill try Gubernubs fix.

[LF_VictoriSV]

It doesn't fix anything form me just turning the antialiasing off.
The antialias is not erasing the plane from the sky, the clouds are rendered in front of the plane.
If you find one of this semi-transparent clouds and you put the other plane in front of it, you actually see the plane "trough" it (even if the plane is actually in front).

Edited March 30, 2018 by LF_VictoriSV

[[DBS]steveiy]

With HTC Vive, AA off, I see aircraft appear and disappear right in front of me, even at quite close range (<1k).  This happened following a flight of A-20s. 

 

About 200 feet underneath each aircraft there was a bright green dot that followed them about.  The green dot was visible even when the a/c were not rendered.

 

 

[Pupo]

With clouds on Low and graphics on low, I sometimes have airplanes render when behind a cloud, and planes very hard to spot due to aliasing issues when in front of a cloud.

 

The aliasing issue has always been present, but since 3.001 clouds have become far more problematic.

 

 

[Leon_Portier]

Yeah its not an anti aliasing problem, so no fix.

Far off clouds are definitely rendered in front of a plane.

I´m using a GTX 960 with balanced settings and 2x anti-aliasing in the game settings, other settings do not improve the issue.

This mess started with the newest update 3.001.

 

Has a bug report been filed?

Edited March 31, 2018 by Leon_Portier

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

I thought that by posting this it was a bug report?

 

To me it looks to be a spatial issue where an object, in this case a cloud, is rendered in front of the closer object, in this case a plane.

 

This issue is NOT new and was present prior to the latest patch and is only more predominant now probably because of the fancy clouds.

[spamRoast]

On 3/30/2018 at 2:49 PM, [DBS]steveiy said:

With HTC Vive, AA off, I see aircraft appear and disappear right in front of me, even at quite close range (<1k).  This happened following a flight of A-20s. 

 

About 200 feet underneath each aircraft there was a bright green dot that followed them about.  The green dot was visible even when the a/c were not rendered.

 

 

 

No VR for me but I've experienced this too aside from the green dot. I've only seen it with the A-20's and I've only seen it since the update. Couple others have reported similar issues if you search the tech reports.

 

On 3/31/2018 at 3:20 PM, Stool_Pigeon said:

I thought that by posting this it was a bug report?

 

To me it looks to be a spatial issue where an object, in this case a cloud, is rendered in front of the closer object, in this case a plane.

 

This issue is NOT new and was present prior to the latest patch and is only more predominant now probably because of the fancy clouds.

 

There are a few different bug reports of planes disappearing so I think there are different issues happening. Maybe they're related, but for me the problem is not cloud related and it just started after the update. I can be flying in clear weather with a formation of A-20s who are 1-2k away and several of them will disappear then reappear over and over with no clouds around us. So I think there might be separate issues that people are talking about.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

2 hours ago, obit said:

There are a few different bug reports of planes disappearing so I think there are different issues happening. Maybe they're related, but for me the problem is not cloud related and it just started after the update. I can be flying in clear weather with a formation of A-20s who are 1-2k away and several of them will disappear then reappear over and over with no clouds around us. So I think there might be separate issues that people are talking about.

 

Yes, Ive seen the A-20 disappear while flying low on the water with me above him but still below cloud height. Seems more of an LOD problem with the model at certain distances rather than a cloud render issue. Though I cannot say this for sure as I have not encountered the cloud rendering "issue".

[Hoss]

I hate these clouds, it looks like the old legacy IL2 AA jaggie lines, would just as soon have the old clouds back in the game.  On single player missions and online servers with low clouds or bad weather, it's a visual mess. I can't tell what planes are even at close range, I imagine this is what is was like for VR guys.  Track IR, and Clouds are my two biggest issues..... new planes are nice but I'd rather be back to having visuals working again.

 

Cheers

 

Hoss

[III/JG52_Otto_-I-]

On 29/3/2018 at 11:31 PM, Stool_Pigeon said:

I was on Wing of Liberty last night in the CrimeaSpring44ksp-WL-301-02n mission. The cloud base is 3000m (guessing here) and the clouds in this mission are scattered and voluminous with when close look to have wispy edges.

...

While tracking the Yak 1b as I came around and proceeded to chase on a lead pursuit I saw the plane disappear 3 times.

 

Each time the plane disappeared there was a distant cloud behind the plane. Each time it looked liked the plane was going through the cloud. The second instance in particular was interesting in that the Yak 1b only in front of the 'top' of the cloud (i.e. the base was say 500 long and the highest part at the top was 250m long figures for demonstration purposes only) it disappeared before reappearing exactly where the cloud ended.

 

 

Over the last few months all instances of aircraft disappearing aside from one instance could fit into this scenario.

Same here, I've taken this video as evidence of the bug, performed flying with a comrade of the 15[Span.]/JG51 squad,   the airplanes disappears when they are flying with a background of clouds. 
At some moment he can not see my plane being less than a kilometer from him and in another his plane disappears, and in another

 

 

Edited April 5, 2018 by III/JG52_Otto_-I-

[Poochnboo]

Hmm....yeah, in the film it doesn't look like a AA issue. The game seems to be rendering the planes as though they are flying through the clouds, even though the clouds are miles away. Strange. I haven't experienced this. They'll have to look into that, obviously. That's a pretty major glitch. 

[sniperton]

There's a related issue with planes flying much closer to you (in front of clouds).

Planes flying in front of clouds seem to disintegrate, their contours become jagged as if the plane were dissolving into a cloud of transparent pixels. I can easily imagine that if all this happens to a far-away aircraft, which is normally shown as a handful of pixels, the disintegration of the contour can even lead to the full disappearance of that plane. Just my two cents.

 

[sniperton]

These two pictures pretty well demonstrate the issue. Note the sharp contours when the object is in front of the clear sky, and note the jagged contours when they appear in front of clouds.

[Leon_Portier]

Unfortunately the issue is still present in 3.002

 

Here is a video of it, should show the issue more clearly in action, at 0:12 - 0:18 you can see on the right side a plane rising.

It was so bad, I could barely follow my flight.

 

EDIT: Video was taken with balanced graphics setting, putting it on ultra does improve visibility a lot, but it runs very badly. High seems a middle ground, better visibility without too much performance hit.

Edited April 18, 2018 by Leon_Portier

[9./JG52_Sturm]

I'm on high settings, it's been noticeably worse since 3.001. Though it looks like we'll just have to deal with it from the comments on the 3.002 patch response thread.

[9./JG52_Sturm]

Testing last night, I had a bomber escort mission @ 3k and there was no aliasing/disappearing planes even though the JU88s were almost constantly against a (lower) cloud background. However on my return to my home airfield, my flight dropped to sub 1k and the aliasing was present. Perhaps it is a particular cloud type that causes this?

[19//Moach]

I have noticed the same issue - thought my eyes were going bad, but seems that's not the case...

 

I must say, as far as bugs go, this is absolutely unacceptable - A real game breaker, really.  This severely affects spotting enough to ruin tactical gameplay and corrupt the very nature of aerial combat. The game can easily degrade down into a contest of sheer dumb luck under such conditions.  No amount of situational awareness can compensate for the handicap of planes vanishing when flying in front of clouds....

 

Clouds are thus altogether unusable, especially in MP, where fairness is paramount.   

 

Edited April 23, 2018 by 19//Moach

[Mysticpuma]

On 4/18/2018 at 8:35 PM, Leon_Portier said:

Unfortunately the issue is still present in 3.002

 

Here is a video of it, should show the issue more clearly in action, at 0:12 - 0:18 you can see on the right side a plane rising.

It was so bad, I could barely follow my flight.

 

EDIT: Video was taken with balanced graphics setting, putting it on ultra does improve visibility a lot, but it runs very badly. High seems a middle ground, better visibility without too much performance hit.

 

 

Looks like some early design of cloaking device!

[=FEW=Hauggy]

I also whitnessed planes vanishing when flying in front of a cloud several times.

I hope this will somehow get fixed soon.

[THERION]

Well, according to one of Jason's quite harsh responses a couple of days ago, the cloud issue is related to technical

limitations and cannot be solved on the quick. So my humble advise would be - revert these clouds back to pre 3.001

and wait for the new generation clouds until their fixes / redone. The pre 3.001 clouds worked quite well for me and

didn't look bad at all.

 

Cheers

 

 

Edited April 23, 2018 by EAF_T_Therion

[sniperton]

The real question is whether it's a niche problem, not affecting others (we suck), or is it general (they're blind)? If the first, it may have something to do with resolution, settings, and hardware. I have a 1050Ti with newest drivers @1080p and running on Ultra with High clouds. I'm seriously affected, even if I enable Coconut's mod.

 

BTW, I'd gladly exchange the new clouds for the older ones. The question is what to do with the hords of fanboys either not having this problem or plainly denying it's a game-breaking issue.

Edited April 23, 2018 by sniperton

[THERION]

22 minutes ago, sniperton said:

The real question is whether it's a niche problem, not affecting others (we suck), or is it general (they're blind)? If the first, it may have something to do with resolution, settings, and hardware. I have a 1050Ti with newest drivers @1080p and running on Ultra with High clouds. I'm seriously affected, even if I enable Coconut's mod.

 

BTW, I'd gladly exchange the new clouds for the older ones. The question is what to do with the hords of fanboys either not having this problem or plainly denying it's a game-breaking issue.

 

Don't worry about the hords of fanboys - in this case there is no one happy about it and you won't find anyone without this issue, even if they might have 4x 1080 Titan in a row

with 4x i7 stuck in their crate! It is not hardware related - it looks shity on every system at the moment. Sorry.

Edited April 23, 2018 by EAF_T_Therion

[sniperton]

I just tried to be constructive . I just don't want to give up with this game, I've paid for it a lot. Maybe I belong to the minority, but I'm pretty sure the majority will also suck if they continue to behave like that. It's a loss-loss situation.

[Dakpilot]

Nothing constructive about "hords (hordes?) of fanboys" ?

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[sniperton]

2 hours ago, Dakpilot said:

Nothing constructive about "hords (hordes?) of fanboys" ?

Yep, typo, I meant 'hordes', and no pun was intended.

Otherwise you're right, but you still don't comment on the essential parts of my posts.