Very heavy I16 bounce... Shouldn`t the undercarriage have collapsed?

[seafireliv]

Watched this... at 3:39.

 

 3:39. He lands so heavily and bounces. Were I16s really that durable or could they have restored/built this with a better  type of alloy metal construction used from modern processes today that allowed this aircraft to avoid collapsing its undercarriage?

Edited March 29, 2018 by seafireliv

[ShamrockOneFive]

Well that's embarrassing for sure. Quite the bounce.

 

I doubt that I-16 is much different in construction than a WWII era I-16. Maybe the metals are a bit better but I doubt they are dramatically different.

 

I'm going to guess that, like most Russian types of the time, they were meant to operate from grass fields and in semi-rough conditions and probably wouldn't have passed acceptance trials if the undercarriage was collapsing every time a pilot hit a rough patch or brought it in a little hard.

[LukeFF]

Nothing shocking about that - Petrovich posted a while ago the durability requirements for Soviet landing gear. They had to take a lot of punishment.

22 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

I'm going to guess that, like most Russian types of the time, they were meant to operate from grass fields and in semi-rough conditions and probably wouldn't have passed acceptance trials if the undercarriage was collapsing every time a pilot hit a rough patch or brought it in a little hard.

 

Exactly

[SYN_Mike77]

Makes me feel better about my virtual landings!

[RothbardVso1*3]

Bumps a daisy. It's enough to make you weep.

[Herne]

It's a very light airframe as well isn't it

 

He still did a better job than some of the recent airline landings I've been a passenger on

Edited March 29, 2018 by =FEW=Herne

[MarderIV]

That sound... 

 

I really wish Il-2 would get to that point where all our planes could cover all the sounds a plane makes. Reason why I'm loving the A-20 right now. 

[seafireliv]

Interesting. I`m not sure I could get away with a bounce like that in the sim!

 

He doesn`t appear to use his flaps at all, but I can understand if he was having trouble getting that and his gear down too.

[Trooper117]

Of course they were as durable... remember they weren't just taking off from decent grass strips or concrete runways. More often than not they were operating from rough airfields, not to mention recently repaired rough strips.

Also think of the standard of the young pilots, many with minimal hours under their belts, I bet there were many landings far worse than what we have just seen   

[Guest deleted@134347]

at first I thought it was a "touch and go" type of a maneuver.

[RothbardVso1*3]

I recently read an accident report regarding a Cessna 210, which left bits and pieces of it's gear in a trail down the runway, along with some gouges in the pavement which started on the threshold. The aircraft ended up in the weeds, and the pilot said when interviewed, "it didn't feel like a particularly rough landing."  Which speaks volumes as to his typical landing.

 

Years ago in Alaska, a 727 struck a moose on the runway with the nose gear, right at touchdown. The moose fared much the worse, by essentially exploding. The nose gear merely required some hosing off, and after a thorough inspection was declared undamaged by the mechanics.

 

The landing gear on most any plane is remarkably robust, as long as it faces the loads for which it is designed. A side load is much more like to produce a gear failure than a vertical  or fore and aft load, because the gear is not designed to resist it to a high degree.

[303_Kwiatek]

These I-16 still got lift on wings  and these bounce wasnt such brutal for it like it looks. If he would.make bounce without enough lift and speed such bounce would be catastrophic and surly undercarriage cant load it.

Interesting thing is that i watched many different I16 landings videos and never saw any usage of flaps during it.

 

Edited March 29, 2018 by 303_Kwiatek

[A_radek]

Old but just in case anyone missed these. This one collapsed. Or rather the latching mechanism failed.

[Solmyr]

Ouch ! Broken heart to see that I-16 bleed like that...

As I don't speak Russian at all, can't figure out what happened here.

[A_radek]

Indeed ones gut hurts seeing these old birds damaged. I'd guess they are flying mainly because enthusiasts put endless spare-time hours in.

[SYN_Mike77]

Ground loop!  Yeah, I've done that too.

[Royal_Flight]

On 29/03/2018 at 4:17 AM, RothbardVso1*3 said:

Bumps a daisy. It's enough to make you weep.

 

Well I wouldn't tell the CO that, sir; not if I were you. 

[seafireliv]

Very interesing. Never seen that video before. Reminds me a lot of when flying and taxing the I16 with my TrackIR; all the looking over the sides. Good stuff.

Edited April 1, 2018 by seafireliv

[Finkeren]

I love that the aircraft’s ID is “Derp’n”.

[HenHawk]

Thought I would have read something in this thread about ‘Russian bias’ by now...

 

 

Wasn’t the smoothest of first touches. Looked like one fun flight, though. Was he using engine blip to taxi?

[69th_Panp]

When looking at the vid I did not see any flap deployment during the touch and go or the landing 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

22 hours ago, Panp said:

When looking at the vid I did not see any flap deployment during the touch and go or the landing 

 

If the wind speed was high then the pilot might have opted for no flaps.

 

It is very hard to tell what is going on with the "touch and go" as the round out is covered by that hill.

Edited April 3, 2018 by AeroAce